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Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion 11-12-2018, 06:30 PM
Replies: 36
Views: 2,779
Posted By Icefrost
- Night elves will be forced to withdraw from...

- Night elves will be forced to withdraw from Kalimdor due to some timely excuse of a global threat. We'll learn long after the fact from a dev tweet or some other low-key source that the elves were...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-05-2018, 11:06 AM
Replies: 25
Views: 1,251
Posted By Icefrost
Wait, what short story? Are we talking about...

Wait, what short story? Are we talking about Saurfang being let go by him in that cinematic? Or have a missed something big?

Anyway, a thought occurred to me about dealing with Sylvanas. I wonder...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 10-30-2018, 11:28 AM
Replies: 25
Views: 1,251
Posted By Icefrost
Loses everything...as in what? Because if that...

Loses everything...as in what?
Because if that includes losing her war campaign progress in Kalimdor to Kaldorei and worgen, and as the story progresses, that Darkshore warfront ends up getting...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 10-28-2018, 07:15 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 1,251
Posted By Icefrost
I think you may have overlooked the part where I...

I think you may have overlooked the part where I implied the exceptionally poor reception of BfA unforeseen by it's developers as justification for changing their plans from whatever they may have...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 10-28-2018, 07:14 AM
Replies: 25
Views: 1,251
Posted By Icefrost
I'm honestly thinking that this entire choice...

I'm honestly thinking that this entire choice thing is a fairly recent invention that was never originally planned for the expansion. I don't think that the opening couple of moves of BfA:s story...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 10-20-2018, 07:00 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 1,416
Posted By Icefrost
The way I see it, the darkness stuff is actually...

The way I see it, the darkness stuff is actually a fairly nice and thematically fitting way to do something that's visible and obvious to the player without portraying a warrior priestess and the...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 10-19-2018, 06:10 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 1,416
Posted By Icefrost
I do have to wonder where exactly they are going...

I do have to wonder where exactly they are going with this whole night warrior business. Seems to me that all the effort put into the alliance side quest and the whole scenario in general, as...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 09-19-2018, 05:49 AM
Replies: 14
Views: 1,416
Posted By Icefrost
The problem I have with this is that it implies...

The problem I have with this is that it implies the battle for Darkshore will just be a token effort moment of cool without any meaningful impact in favor of the elves, other than polishing that...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 09-18-2018, 07:02 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 1,416
Posted By Icefrost
For Tyrande, my money is on her being present at...

For Tyrande, my money is on her being present at some kinda of strategy meeting for the alliance, making a comment or two on some completely-non-night-elf-related strategy that's being drawn up by...
Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion 09-17-2018, 05:06 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 1,913
Posted By Icefrost
Honestly, I should have done a better job...

Honestly, I should have done a better job implying that no one person did all of that. Could've thrown in a collection of inconsistent stab wounds of different depths and striking angles, but that...
Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion 09-17-2018, 03:49 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 1,913
Posted By Icefrost
No decisive battle. No horde side quest to stand...

No decisive battle. No horde side quest to stand up for her. No captures, no trials. No last stands with banshee screams.
A blade in the night. Discreet, dishonorable and deliberately in blatant...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 12-21-2017, 03:50 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 4,667
Posted By Icefrost
I only brought it up because the previous coin...

I only brought it up because the previous coin thing seems to have gone over your head. Sorry you feel that way.


Because eventually someone - in-universe, out of it, or more likely both - is...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 12-21-2017, 11:11 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 4,667
Posted By Icefrost
Sorry about this, but I'm compelled to clarify...

Sorry about this, but I'm compelled to clarify one last thing since I feel like now you actually are misrepresenting my point a tad.
I never meant to excuse any writers of any burden. It would be...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 12-21-2017, 06:17 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 4,667
Posted By Icefrost
Not sure how you read what I posted, but yeah,...

Not sure how you read what I posted, but yeah, that was my point.
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 12-21-2017, 06:00 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 4,667
Posted By Icefrost
The other thing that I wanted to respond to you...

The other thing that I wanted to respond to you with, Kyalin, but didn't last night because I already felt like I was rambling and put my post through several edits, was the idea that putting too...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 12-20-2017, 08:29 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 4,667
Posted By Icefrost
Preaching to the choir on this point. I don't...

Preaching to the choir on this point. I don't think anyone who bothers to look past the surface thinks they ever had much of a problem using a bit of tech here and there.

And maybe that's actually...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 12-20-2017, 03:48 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 4,667
Posted By Icefrost
The problem with the whole technology angle is...

The problem with the whole technology angle is that by in-universe logic, it presumes either a need for it to keep up with the competition, which I already refuted as far as being a necessity to the...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 12-18-2017, 06:21 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 4,667
Posted By Icefrost
I was under the impression that we were...

I was under the impression that we were discussing ideas of a what-if scenario in the past. Although I suppose I personally didn't exactly go and carefully word everything in the past tense,...
Forum: General Discussion 12-18-2017, 05:42 PM
Replies: 211
Views: 8,252
Posted By Icefrost
The movie I saw was pretty much this, start to...

The movie I saw was pretty much this, start to finish, top to bottom.

Or to be more accurate, it felt like a bunch of butthurt producers and executives really hated the "Predictable EP4 rehash"...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 12-18-2017, 03:30 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 4,667
Posted By Icefrost
The most common logical error made when people...

The most common logical error made when people start suggesting fixes for the elves is to take the wrong things for granted.

Can't defend against tech/magic stuff without employing their own?
Why...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-23-2017, 06:34 AM
Replies: 280
Views: 13,332
Posted By Icefrost
It's a part of it. Throwing a part of it - any...

It's a part of it. Throwing a part of it - any part of it in the bin is counterproductive to the whole of it. And yes, I happen to be biased in favor of this particular part and would likely only...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-22-2017, 07:57 PM
Replies: 280
Views: 13,332
Posted By Icefrost
And here I thought that was my question regarding...

And here I thought that was my question regarding what they're doing to the elves.

But I do seem to recall we already beat this horse to death at a previous date. No need for that futile waste of...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-22-2017, 07:46 PM
Replies: 280
Views: 13,332
Posted By Icefrost
I don't question the in-universe logic of...

I don't question the in-universe logic of that...much. Asspull for an asspull, they could stop that halfway if they wanted to. But that's beside my point.
Really, I question the writer's decision to...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-22-2017, 07:34 PM
Replies: 280
Views: 13,332
Posted By Icefrost
Who said anything about caring whether it was...

Who said anything about caring whether it was before or after? That's the wrong bit of logic to get hung up on in order to see where I'm coming from.

I'm not here about justification or who did...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-22-2017, 07:23 PM
Replies: 280
Views: 13,332
Posted By Icefrost
And so they put all those swords and other signs...

And so they put all those swords and other signs of a battle in their promotional material about a cunning throw-a-nuke-through-the-stargate gambit because...why again?
Besides, the Kalimdor...
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