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Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 12-06-2018, 01:30 PM
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
As I said, the Old Gods et al are unnecessary if...

As I said, the Old Gods et al are unnecessary if we already have the countless demonic races fulfilling the role of generic destructive invaders.

Do the other races need to be rewritten under...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-27-2018, 07:13 AM
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
I don't understand. What do you disagree with? ...

I don't understand. What do you disagree with?



I don't think the extra apocalypse factions are really necessary given that WC2 already claimed that there were innumerable demonic races with...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-20-2018, 12:34 PM
Replies: 105
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
A good catch. It's unfortunate that WC2 had to...

A good catch. It's unfortunate that WC2 had to engage in retconning when it wasn't necessary. Does anyone have a list of the retcons between WC1 and WC2?

This could be reconciled by claiming that...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-19-2018, 06:13 AM
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
You have a good point here. It is all arbitrary...

You have a good point here. It is all arbitrary fictional rules anyway.

I do agree with the part about clashes of nations and beliefs. I disagree that having guardians involved necessarily...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-18-2018, 12:30 PM
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
To echo your previous statement: That is a view...

To echo your previous statement: That is a view which I fundamentally disagree with. The reasons for this are simple historical observations: the demons are infinite in population and every...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-16-2018, 01:54 PM
Replies: 105
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
The general idea is to embrace a larger world,...

The general idea is to embrace a larger world, mystery and moral ambiguity. Making Sargeras into a race makes it easier for me to swallow the sheer unlikelihood of Kil'jaeden's tutor being entombed...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-16-2018, 11:02 AM
Replies: 105
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
Alright, I guess we will have to agree to go in...

Alright, I guess we will have to agree to go in our own separate directions. I do like the Shadowmoon clan being a pillar of the Scourge, but I want to tie this new army into the existing backstory...
Forum: WarCraft RTS Discussion 11-16-2018, 07:38 AM
Replies: 81
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
How difficult is it really to contextualize the...

How difficult is it really to contextualize the various mutations and other side-effects due to fel corruption, blood-curse, exposure, addiction, overdose, withdrawal, etc within a unified framework?...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-16-2018, 07:21 AM
Replies: 105
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
Yeah, that's a fine idea. I'm not sure how...

Yeah, that's a fine idea.

I'm not sure how the Scourge is able to function by taking advantage of anti-orc sentiment if the Shadowmoon clan joined them and form a foundational pillar of their...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-15-2018, 01:03 PM
Replies: 105
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
That's pretty much why I prefer to write the...

That's pretty much why I prefer to write the Horde as binding and enslaving demons, like some of the blood elves do, rather than being easily tricked by them. Aegwynn made the demons out to be a...
Forum: WarCraft RTS Discussion 11-15-2018, 11:37 AM
Replies: 81
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
All of the Draenei models will be replaced with...

All of the Draenei models will be replaced with Broken? Or will the new engine add new creeps for both?

I never understood the concept of the broken and lost ones. If they were the result of...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-15-2018, 11:28 AM
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
I only disagree because I find it impossible for...

I only disagree because I find it impossible for Ner'zhul to find his way back to Azeroth. Medivh had the power of a guardian empowered by ancient forces and millennia of accumulated experience....
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-15-2018, 11:24 AM
Replies: 105
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
I am generally opposed to stories which strain...

I am generally opposed to stories which strain credibility.

Medivh was the first person with the idea to use the Horde as his army to conquer Azeroth, and he was doing this of his own free will...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-15-2018, 11:08 AM
Replies: 105
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
I don't find it believable that the new faith...

I don't find it believable that the new faith spread and built its armies so quickly in a quasi-medieval environment. The Alliance and Horde already had large armies by the time the First and Second...
Forum: WarCraft RTS Discussion 11-15-2018, 07:29 AM
Replies: 81
Views: 2,580
Posted By BoxCrayonTales
Don't forget the forces of Snarlmane the Gnoll...

Don't forget the forces of Snarlmane the Gnoll and the Murloc Puddle Lord.


I actually forgot about that, it's been so long since I played.
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-15-2018, 07:22 AM
Replies: 105
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Posted By BoxCrayonTales
I have no idea why he would. If mobility is a...

I have no idea why he would. If mobility is a problem, couldn't he just create a body? The Scourge, at least according to the battle.net site, recruits souls and summons their entire infrastructure...
Forum: WarCraft RTS Discussion 11-14-2018, 11:19 AM
Replies: 81
Views: 2,580
Posted By BoxCrayonTales
If we are going to wishlist variants of the...

If we are going to wishlist variants of the faction tech trees, I would like to note that Warcraft 3 did include variant tech trees in various states of completeness. Since they were usually campaign...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-14-2018, 10:16 AM
Replies: 105
Views: 2,360
Posted By BoxCrayonTales
Blizzard themselves seems to have given up on the...

Blizzard themselves seems to have given up on the idea that demons are responsible for everything, considering that they introduced the Iron Horde and the Lightforged Draenei and all the other...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-14-2018, 09:57 AM
Replies: 105
Views: 2,360
Posted By BoxCrayonTales
Yep. Warcraft Adventures depicted Thrall having...

Yep. Warcraft Adventures depicted Thrall having to learn some necromancy (speaking with the dead) in order to become a shaman.

Even so, the statements in WC1/2 in which their magic sickened the...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-14-2018, 07:03 AM
Replies: 105
Views: 2,360
Posted By BoxCrayonTales
I think so. This is something I tried to address...

I think so. This is something I tried to address in my "Pillars of Azeroth" idea in which each school of magic was represented by a separate pillar (at least in pure form, since in practice many...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-13-2018, 03:26 PM
Replies: 105
Views: 2,360
Posted By BoxCrayonTales
Flimsy justification is flimsy. There...

Flimsy justification is flimsy.



There is no possible way that Ner'zhul was able to plan for any of this. Not Illidan, not the skull, not Malfurion's trap, none of it. The chain of events...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-13-2018, 10:38 AM
Replies: 105
Views: 2,360
Posted By BoxCrayonTales
My off-handed suggestions for multiple guardians...

My off-handed suggestions for multiple guardians has inspired me to do a lot more thought about it.

The most recent Warcraft lore posits six cosmic forces of light and shadow, life and death,...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-13-2018, 08:48 AM
Replies: 105
Views: 2,360
Posted By BoxCrayonTales
I remember back when Star Alliance was around,...

I remember back when Star Alliance was around, some of their Warcraft custom campaigns (which were never released) devised ideas like wood elves and IIRC two different concepts of spider-themed dark...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 11-13-2018, 06:52 AM
Replies: 105
Views: 2,360
Posted By BoxCrayonTales
Since this is brainstorming, the answer is not...

Since this is brainstorming, the answer is not set in stone. This could go in a variety of directions.

For the sake of simplicity, we can assume that the campaigns occur simultaneously a la later...
Forum: WarCraft RTS Discussion 11-11-2018, 12:46 PM
Replies: 81
Views: 2,580
Posted By BoxCrayonTales
The Tides of Darkness custom campaign for...

The Tides of Darkness custom campaign for WarCraft 3 already was able to add oil as a resource. It required some obvious workarounds to make up for the limitation that the game engine wasn't really...
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