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Old 02-02-2016, 12:40 PM
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Well, mostly. Bernie and Hillary are still undecided. But nobody cares. Voter apathy towards the DNC is at an all-time high (#ThanksObama) so it's really the Republican nominee that matters.
The only way you could believe this is if you limit your political news to a small handful of conservative sources.

Echo-chambering cost you 2012, you really want to repeat the same mistake here of underestimating your opposition?
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:03 PM
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The only way you could believe this is if you limit your political news to a small handful of conservative sources.

Echo-chambering cost you 2012, you really want to repeat the same mistake here of underestimating your opposition?
Nothing I did one way or another had anything to do with 2012 - the GOP picked a milquetoast centrist nominee who didn't motivate the base to vote out the weakest incumbent we've seen since Carter.

Have a look at the Republican voter turnout yesterday vs 2012 or 2008 or really any Iowa caucus in history. It's a different ballgame.
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:34 PM
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Just like small businesses historically went und- Oh wait no they didn't.
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"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies."

Using data collected in 1929 by the Conference Board and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Cole and Ohanian were able to establish average wages and prices across a range of industries just prior to the Depression. By adjusting for annual increases in productivity, they were able to use the 1929 benchmark to figure out what prices and wages would have been during every year of the Depression had Roosevelt's policies not gone into effect. They then compared those figures with actual prices and wages as reflected in the Conference Board data.

In the three years following the implementation of Roosevelt's policies, wages in 11 key industries averaged 25 percent higher than they otherwise would have done, the economists calculate. But unemployment was also 25 percent higher than it should have been, given gains in productivity.

Meanwhile, prices across 19 industries averaged 23 percent above where they should have been, given the state of the economy. With goods and services that much harder for consumers to afford, demand stalled and the gross national product floundered at 27 percent below where it otherwise might have been.


"High wages and high prices in an economic slump run contrary to everything we know about market forces in economic downturns," Ohanian said. "As we've seen in the past several years, salaries and prices fall when unemployment is high. By artificially inflating both, the New Deal policies short-circuited the market's self-correcting forces."

The policies were contained in the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution if they agreed to enter into collective bargaining agreements that significantly raised wages. Because protection from antitrust prosecution all but ensured higher prices for goods and services, a wide range of industries took the bait, Cole and Ohanian found. By 1934 more than 500 industries, which accounted for nearly 80 percent of private, non-agricultural employment, had entered into the collective bargaining agreements called for under NIRA.
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:44 PM
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The only way you could believe this is if you limit your political news to a small handful of conservative sources.

Echo-chambering cost you 2012, you really want to repeat the same mistake here of underestimating your opposition?
In past threads of this nature, there has been a similar level of confidence (one might say delusion) but not much of a track record as far as successful predictions were concerned. Remember when Santorum was definitely going to win in 2012?
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:47 PM
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Increase minimum wage, cut taxes for small/medium businesses!
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:48 PM
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In past threads of this nature, there has been a similar level of confidence (one might say delusion) but not much of a track record as far as successful predictions were concerned. Remember when Santorum was definitely going to win in 2012?
I always find it funny when people get super-excited about a candidate this early in the election. The multi-year election cycle is really stomach-churning.
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:52 PM
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Santorum was an awful candidate, no charisma, no speaking ability, he tossed his own chances away. Cruz at least has a better chance of making something from this win.
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:56 PM
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Increase minimum wage, cut taxes for small/medium businesses!
No increase minimum wage! Offer more vocational training and make a more competitive open market.
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Old 02-02-2016, 02:32 PM
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In past threads of this nature, there has been a similar level of confidence (one might say delusion) but not much of a track record as far as successful predictions were concerned. Remember when Santorum was definitely going to win in 2012?
You can spend your whole life building bridges, but you fuck one goat, and what does everyone remember? I don't see anyone patting me on the back for calling the overwhelming GOP congressional victories over the last two mid-term elections...

I was wrong about Santorum winning the GOP nomination in 2012. He had a strong grassroots organization and sniped early primaries due to low voter turnout. He wasn't able to parlay that into broader support within the party, and we were left with Romney, a centrist who Democrats assured us had to be our smart choice to bring moderates to the polls.

Which is stupid because it's the radicals that motivate people, one way or another. The conservative base didn't turn out for Romney, and the radical left showed up for Obama.

Rubio and Cruz are both considerably more conservative than Romney, and both garnered considerably more support in Iowa than it took for Santorum to win that caucus. If you can't see the difference there, then you're the one refusing to learn anything from the past, not me.
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Old 02-02-2016, 03:08 PM
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Meanwhile, Democrats have to toss a coin in Iowa, literally.
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Old 02-02-2016, 03:10 PM
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Meanwhile, Democrats have to toss a coin in Iowa, literally.
That's the thing - their turnout is tragically LOW.

Literally nobody in Iowa gives a shit. What's bad for Hillary isn't that she almost lost to Sanders, it's that nobody cares.
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Old 02-02-2016, 03:13 PM
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I haven't heard that the turn out was low on the Democratic side, I've been looking but I still can't find it. Are you comparing it to 2008 or something?
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Old 02-02-2016, 03:13 PM
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You really think Santorum would have been the stronger candidate? The guy who said he'd enforce a ban on posting hardcore porn on the internet? The guy who opposes contraception? The guy who disagrees with the notion that the republican party should keep taxes and regulation down? The guy who's running for president right now without anyone having noticed it?
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Old 02-02-2016, 03:17 PM
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the weakest incumbent we've seen since Carter.
No, see, it's stuff like this. Assuming your opponent is a pissant pushover who can be effortlessly defeated is going to get you punished every time you do it. This is true of basically all competitions ever. The GOP in 2012 was sufficiently confident in Obama's unpopularity that they were ignoring even their own internal polling right up to the bitter end.

This isn't unique to the GOP either. Hillary underestimated Sanders and has gotten punished for it. I think she will probably still win the nomination but the gap is closer than anyone thought it would be in part because she and her campaign assumed she would be running essentially uncontested.
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Old 02-02-2016, 03:55 PM
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...She's not wrong.
Except Republican's don't scream it while cutting off people's heads, or shooting up a concert hall, or blowing themselves up in the middle of a marketplace...

Otherwise, totally the same thing.
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Old 02-02-2016, 04:22 PM
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Except Republican's don't scream it while cutting off people's heads, or shooting up a concert hall, or blowing themselves up in the middle of a marketplace...

Otherwise, totally the same thing.
It's almost as if they're both religious phrases used in non-extremist environments.

A crazy concept, I'm sure.
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Old 02-02-2016, 04:23 PM
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Except Republican's don't scream it while cutting off people's heads, or shooting up a concert hall, or blowing themselves up in the middle of a marketplace...
No. They get other people to do it for them.
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It's almost as if they're both religious phrases used in non-extremist environments.

A crazy concept, I'm sure.
Your deliberate ignorance is almost painful to watch.

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No. They get other people to do it for them.
Please cite a single time a Republican has had anything to do with the decapitation of a civilian that was videotaped and posted on the internet.

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Well, we know Trump can shoot people without seeing his popularity go down, if that counts.
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Well, we know Trump can shoot people without seeing his popularity go down, if that counts.
Seeing as how he just lost, what a know is Trump can say he can shoot people without seeing his popularity go down, and be completely full of shit.
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Old 02-02-2016, 07:07 PM
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...She's not wrong.
What Ted Cruz said isn't a battle cry, though.
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Please cite a single time a Republican has had anything to do with the decapitation of a civilian that was videotaped and posted on the internet.
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Just some dumb person trying to target Republicans, making a stupid comparison, ignoring that Hilary thanked God a thousand times yesterday publicly.

Don't pay it any mind, just a Swede afraid to go outside because of the roving packs of racists they have in their little piece paradise.
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