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Old 04-15-2014, 09:25 AM
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As much as I love the Crusader, I would rather see Blizzard pull character classes from the previous games and not just a line-up of D3 classes. How about the Necromancer (who would have honestly been far more appropriate than the Witch Doctor for All-Stars)? Or the Rogue?
Or the Paladin!
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And all it takes is a tactically calculated "for the Horde" rallying the troops to make them all think "OMG she really does care!"
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Old 04-15-2014, 09:45 AM
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:45 AM
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I'd think Gallywix should be his own hero, sitting on a big goblin-style spider-tank type thing.
Gallywix should not be a hero, unless its a skin for Gazlowe.

It should be made clear that Gallywix needs to die.
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:49 AM
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Gallywix should not be a hero, unless its a skin for Gazlowe.

It should be made clear that Gallywix needs to die.
Like Sylvanas?
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:52 AM
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Like Sylvanas?
More then Sylvanas.

At least, the Horde was obligated to help the Forsaken by the Earthen ring, and Sylvanas is competent.
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:53 AM
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More then Sylvanas.

At least, the Horde was obligated to help the Forsaken by the Earthen ring, and Sylvanas is competent.
Gallwix seems pretty competent to me. He's managed to stay alive and in power despite all the stuff that he's pulled. He's also turned the Bilgewater in to a pretty powerful Cartel.
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:55 AM
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Seems pretty competent. He's managed to stay alive and in power despite all the stuff that he's pulled. He's also turned the Bilgewater in to a pretty powerful Cartel.
No.

He only managed to stay in power because Thrall had the dunce cap attached that day.

Virtually everyone in the cartel was shown to hate him, and Gallywix was outsmarted countless times in the starting zone, having to constantly rely on the mercy of the goblins.
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:59 AM
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No.

He only managed to stay in power because Thrall had the dunce cap attached that day.

Virtually everyone in the cartel was shown to hate him, and Gallywix was outsmarted countless times in the starting zone, having to constantly rely on the mercy of the goblins.
And despite all that he was able to stay in power.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:01 PM
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And despite all that he was able to stay in power.
Because Thrall was an idiot who reappointed him despite everyone hating gallywix, Gallywix's own incomptence, Gallywix being a traitor, and trying to kill Thrall moments earlier.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:04 PM
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Because Thrall was an idiot who reappointed him despite everyone hating gallywix, Gallywix's own incomptence, Gallywix being a traitor, and trying to kill Thrall moments earlier.
Despite Thrall not being the best judge of character, Gallywix staying is impressive. He was able to convince Thrall to let him stay despite everything he had done. Even after Thrall he was able to stay in charge through Garrosh and now Vol'jin. I don't think someone as incompetent as you say would be able to do that.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:06 PM
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Despite Thrall not being the best judge of character, Gallywix staying is impressive. He was able to convince Thrall to let him stay despite everything he had done. Even after Thrall he was able to stay in charge through Garrosh and now Vol'jin. I don't think someone as incompetent as you say would be able to do that.
You're attributing his staying to competence and not bad writing, this is a mistake.

We hear what he says to Thrall, it's not convincing in the least.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:06 PM
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Despite Thrall not being the best judge of character, Gallywix staying is impressive. He was able to convince Thrall to let him stay despite everything he had done. Even after Thrall he was able to stay in charge through Garrosh and now Vol'jin. I don't think someone as incompetent as you say would be able to do that.
His words for getting thrall to spare him were just "Uncle, Uncle, I Give up!"

Hardly the words of a charismatic leader.

Basically Gallywix is only staying for now anyway, because Blizzard is being utterly lazy.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:09 PM
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You're attributing his staying to competence and not bad writing, this is a mistake.

We hear what he says to Thrall, it's not convincing in the least.
In game dialog isn't all that fleshed out. Gallywix's time to go would have been back there on the Lost Isles. Getting rid of him now just seems pointless to me.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:12 PM
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In game dialog isn't all that fleshed out. Gallywix's time to go would have been back there on the Lost Isles. Getting rid of him now just seems pointless to me.
Or SoO

But yeah with those two opportunities gone it sadly seems like he's here to stay.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:13 PM
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Or SoO

But yeah with those two opportunities gone it sadly seems like he's here to stay.
We can still kill him off in a novel or other event.

But yeah, perfect example of how Siege Of Orgrimmar is utter trash, is Gallywix being kept/replaced as a boss with Blackfuse.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:39 PM
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Gallywix is a good cartel leader from what we can tell. Selfish and moneyloving and his cartel is radically successful... especially after joining the Horde. Bilgewater Harbor, multiple Bilgewater installations all over the map now, etc. He's done well as a leader since being "rehabilitated" with a few knocks to the head.

Blackfuse was interesting in his own right. I would've loved to have seen more from him before he died. At least his legacy lives on...
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:41 PM
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Gallywix is a good cartel leader from what we can tell. Selfish and moneyloving and his cartel is radically successful... especially after joining the Horde. Bilgewater Harbor, multiple Bilgewater installations all over the map now, etc. He's done well as a leader since being "rehabilitated" with a few knocks to the head.

Blackfuse was interesting in his own right. I would've loved to have seen more from him before he died. At least his legacy lives on...
He's a good goblin leader, just not for the playable goblins.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:43 PM
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Gallywix is a good cartel leader from what we can tell. Selfish and moneyloving and his cartel is radically successful... especially after joining the Horde. Bilgewater Harbor, multiple Bilgewater installations all over the map now, etc. He's done well as a leader since being "rehabilitated" with a few knocks to the head.

Blackfuse was interesting in his own right. I would've loved to have seen more from him before he died. At least his legacy lives on...
No Gallywix is not a good leader, but a fool who got lucky.

While ruthlessness, greed, and self-serving are good traits for a goblin to have, Gallywix takes them too far to the point of stupidity. Gallywix made an enemy of everyone, the only people willing to stay loyal to him were Hobgoblins too stupid to know they were being taken advantage of.

Gallywix didn't even get his position from being smart, but from Thrall wearing his dunce cap that day.

As Gazlowe, Sassy, and the Entire Steamwheedle Cartel show, it can be smart to make allies and treat your direct employees well, a happy employee is far less likely to betray you, and can inform their boss about plots against them.
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Old 04-15-2014, 02:37 PM
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No.

He only managed to stay in power because Thrall had the dunce cap attached that day.
Like Sylvanas.
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Shandris isn't a priestess (though I guess given some of the other skins, that might not matter). Shandris would make more sense as an alternate skin if they added one of the other rangers. Alleria or Vereesa or something.

I really hope the rumours of Kel'thuzad, Vashj and Jaina are true. Pretty iconic WarCraft heroes and lots of potential for abilities/hero concepts there. Also nice to see Jaina looking more like her iconic self. With the hood and cape.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:42 AM
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Shandris isn't a priestess (though I guess given some of the other skins, that might not matter). Shandris would make more sense as an alternate skin if they added one of the other rangers. Alleria or Vereesa or something.
In the Malfurion/Shandris short story she used priestessy powers IIRC.

Unless it's been retconned. Actually, I'd like it if the whole thing were...
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Shandris isn't a priestess (though I guess given some of the other skins, that might not matter). Shandris would make more sense as an alternate skin if they added one of the other rangers. Alleria or Vereesa or something.

I really hope the rumours of Kel'thuzad, Vashj and Jaina are true. Pretty iconic WarCraft heroes and lots of potential for abilities/hero concepts there. Also nice to see Jaina looking more like her iconic self. With the hood and cape.
what rumours? I dont remember anything about KT but Jaina and Vashj are confirmed to be there/confirmed to be there eventually by audio respectively.
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No Gallywix is not a good leader, but a fool who got lucky.

While ruthlessness, greed, and self-serving are good traits for a goblin to have, Gallywix takes them too far to the point of stupidity. Gallywix made an enemy of everyone, the only people willing to stay loyal to him were Hobgoblins too stupid to know they were being taken advantage of.

Gallywix didn't even get his position from being smart, but from Thrall wearing his dunce cap that day.

As Gazlowe, Sassy, and the Entire Steamwheedle Cartel show, it can be smart to make allies and treat your direct employees well, a happy employee is far less likely to betray you, and can inform their boss about plots against them.
Ah, Gazlowe... That one Goblin who is practically Horde aligned already, and has closer relations to Horde leaders than Gallywix ever did or likely will. Gazlowe. A Goblin with decency and honour, who will be helping to build Horde garrisons in WoD.

Remind me again why he isn't the Horde Goblin racial leader?
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Ah, Gazlowe... That one Goblin who is practically Horde aligned already, and has closer relations to Horde leaders than Gallywix ever did or likely will. Gazlowe. A Goblin with decency and honour, who will be helping to build Horde garrisons in WoD.

Remind me again why he isn't the Horde Goblin racial leader?
its more affordable to be neutral. also its not racial, its a cartel. you have Bob iger(ceo of Disney) telling warner bros how to do things?
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its more affordable to be neutral. also its not racial, its a cartel. you have Bob iger(ceo of Disney) telling warner bros how to do things?
I don't get that. The alliance has a huge industrial base in the dwarves and gnomes, and both humans and nelves have ships of their own, it should be a lot cheaper for them to make things domestically than utilize anything from the goblins.

There's a reason exclusivity happens irl, it -works-, it's not always better to sell to everyone, since sometimes selling to just one company or group and enjoy the security from that.
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