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Old 04-29-2017, 11:00 AM
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I assumed that when we first learned about the pillars, but with Chronicle putting Azeroth's ordering after Sargeras went rogue I'm not sure.
Well, he went evil tens of thousands of years after the Ordering, so it's still possible.
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Old 04-29-2017, 08:37 PM
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Why did some naga ally with Illidan? What were the details of this pact? Illidan was pretending to be Kil'jaeden's pawn at the time. Azshara had no reason to care about Illidan's fake pact with the Burning Legion. Plus it's hard to call in a 10,000 year old IOU from a half demon guy you barely know with ambiguous goals, you know? And why did they stick around after being stranded in Outland and his loyalty to only himself became obvious?
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:41 AM
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:15 AM
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Why did some naga ally with Illidan? What were the details of this pact? Illidan was pretending to be Kil'jaeden's pawn at the time. Azshara had no reason to care about Illidan's fake pact with the Burning Legion. Plus it's hard to call in a 10,000 year old IOU from a half demon guy you barely know with ambiguous goals, you know? And why did they stick around after being stranded in Outland and his loyalty to only himself became obvious?
I think pretty much everybody who joined with Illidan knew his loyalty to KJ was written on water. Like Illidari Blood Elves, the Coilskar probably remained with Illidan out of personal battle-born loyalty. As for why did they initially join? Something something Tomb of Sargeras.

Maybe Azshara hoped for the whole "melting Icecrown" plan to increase the world's overall water level?
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:52 AM
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There's also the possibility that Illidan's attack still played some part in the Faceless Ones being awake when the Nerubians unearthed them, as the timing of that event isn't exactly set in stone. Just because the Upper Kingdom of Azjol-Nerub was lost before the events of WC3 doesn't necessarily mean the survivors' fighting retreat through the lowest reaches of the Old Kingdom couldn't have lasted for years after, perhaps even right up until Illidan used the Eye of Sargeras in TFT.

After all, the naga ritual in Vashj'ir, the wakening of Kith'ix, and the Dungeon Journal of Yor'sahj the Unsleeping imply that actually waking up slumbering n'raqi takes more than just digging holes to where they're kept. It seemingly calls for some sort of magical or at least violent "oomph" to actually shake them out of whatever lethargy or dormancy keeps them inactive for milennia at a time.

In that vein, perhaps Azshara and her Old God allies/masters had Vashj help Illidan because they knew his efforts to destroy the Lich King would inadvertently wake Yogg-saron's armies and perhaps even damage the continent enough to rip open his prison in Ulduar.

So maybe the Nerubian holdouts were fighting and running from token attacks by the Scourge throughout the lowest halls of Ahn'kahet for several years after Azjol-Nerub itself fell, until suddenly Illidan's first attempt at destroying Icecrown cracked open the Faceless Ones' prisons and jump-started them awake, at which point they could have swarmed out of their containment into Ahn'kahet and overrun the already dwindling Nerubian survivors.

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Old 05-01-2017, 11:41 AM
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Or perhaps Illidan inadvertently woke up Yogg-Saron!
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Old 05-01-2017, 12:37 PM
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I think pretty much everybody who joined with Illidan knew his loyalty to KJ was written on water. Like Illidari Blood Elves, the Coilskar probably remained with Illidan out of personal battle-born loyalty. As for why did they initially join? Something something Tomb of Sargeras.

Maybe Azshara hoped for the whole "melting Icecrown" plan to increase the world's overall water level?
That and probably trying to get one of the pillars of creation.
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Old 05-01-2017, 12:41 PM
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What's notable is how Illidan inspired so much loyalty to make all those groups stay by him despite all odds.
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:22 PM
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So we're going to find out that the black dragon Searinox was on the verge of destroying the known world and the legion itself, right? Before Level 2 happened?

"You dare challenge me? You mortals become more reckless with every generation!"

"But seriously, I've never been shot at before. Does it hurt?"
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:39 PM
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So we're going to find out that the black dragon Searinox was on the verge of destroying the known world and the legion itself, right? Before Level 2 happened?

"You dare challenge me? You mortals become more reckless with every generation!"

"But seriously, I've never been shot at before. Does it hurt?"
He just grew proud after eating so much Alteracian peasants and then necromancin' them into skeletons. Dwarves, that was something new.
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:42 PM
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What was Alicia's ultimate plan and why did she end up only with Timmy in Theramore?


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Old 05-01-2017, 01:49 PM
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He just grew proud after eating so much Alteracian peasants and then necromancin' them into skeletons. Dwarves, that was something new.
You know, I liked how the blacks used necromancy in Warcraft III. A fine nod to some previously alluded connection between earth and death.
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:08 PM
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You know, I liked how the blacks used necromancy in Warcraft III. A fine nod to some previously alluded connection between earth and death.
Today it's probably the connection between Void and death.
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Or perhaps Illidan inadvertently woke up Yogg-Saron!
Once upon a time that might have been possible, but we know from Chronicle that Yogg-Saron was already awake and manipulating Loken in the guise of Sif for thousands of years before the events of WoW.

However the possibility does remain that Illidan's spell could have been responsible for damaging the lower halls of Ulduar and breaching those "energy chains" that presumably used to anchor Yogg-Saron's physical prison.
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Old 05-01-2017, 11:58 PM
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I thought it could have played a part. Before WotLK, Yogg-Saron's schemes were apparently slow and he didn't have much influence beyond Ulduar. Then, suddenly, he becomes a great threat. Same for C'thun, although I guess his rise will be explained by Cho'gall and the Twilight's Hammer.

Edit: Anyway, what role, if any, do you guys think the Twilight Canticle will play in the third volume? Will it be used to waken C'thun? Something else entirely?
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Old 05-02-2017, 08:00 AM
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What was Alicia's ultimate plan and why did she end up only with Timmy in Theramore?
Wasn't Timmy also a ghoul, a seal, and a seller of Frost Revenants to King Arthas?
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Old 05-02-2017, 09:01 AM
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Wasn't Timmy also a ghoul, a seal, and a seller of Frost Revenants to King Arthas?
Yeah. He even made it into WoW as Timmy the Cruel, a ghoul miniboss.
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Old 05-02-2017, 09:05 AM
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I thought there were several Timmies as a running gag
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Old 05-02-2017, 09:46 AM
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That Little Timmy is probably a reference to the Little Timmy in The Lost Vikings, who was Tomator in disguise.
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Old 05-02-2017, 10:12 AM
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I thought there were several Timmies as a running gag
We're gonna need another Timmy!
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What did Arthas do after Hyjal until the undead campaign in TFT.
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Old 05-02-2017, 05:30 PM
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What did Arthas do after Hyjal until the undead campaign in TFT.
Possibly caused more havoc in Lordaeron. Which is why it is lame that, Lordaeron Pre-Cataclysm, where zones like Arathi and Hillsbrad didn't have more Scourge influence.
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Old 05-02-2017, 10:23 PM
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What did Arthas do after Hyjal until the undead campaign in TFT.
Get to Lordaeron? He obviously wasn't there judging by the Dreadlords dialogue.
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Old 05-03-2017, 03:58 AM
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*lights a cigarette and gazes wistfully out my window*

Furbolg content.
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Old 05-03-2017, 04:10 AM
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*lights a cigarette and gazes wistfully out my window*

Furbolg content.
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