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Old 06-18-2016, 04:14 PM
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What would you like to see in a sequel? Bring on the death knights and paladins. And a cast pov change with the Sons of Lothar as the main characters.
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Old 06-18-2016, 04:34 PM
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What would you like to see in a sequel? Bring on the death knights and paladins. And a cast pov change with the Sons of Lothar as the main characters.
They'd never do a story with only the Alliance as central main characters, I would bet that it would alternate between the Sons of Lothar and Thrall being trained by Blackmoore.
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Not hating Turalon and Alleria would be great, so I hope that they won't be annoying, if this movie ever comes out.
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Give a good medieval war movie, like Braveheart or one of the Robin Hoods.

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They'd never do a story with only the Alliance as central main characters, I would bet that it would alternate between the Sons of Lothar and Thrall being trained by Blackmoore.
No need to be "only the Alliance". Orgrim and Grom will stay relevant longer than the Sons of Lothar.
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That'd be pushing it, considering the ammount of stuff that was set up in this one. I'd prefer a movie sorely for Lord of Clans (Thrall uprising), than to have to swap between the 2 (Thrall slavement + second war) in the same movie. The conflict set up in this possible sequel demands the majority of the characters from the first plus a shit ton of new ones, plus the obvious set up for Thrall.

I think the next one should focus on the war itself, and have the third be a BIG timeskip focusing on Thrall mainly as he creates a new Horde.
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It'll probably be a Thrall-centric Lord of the Clans adaption - with some alternate Tides of War thrown in too.
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Keep in mind, I'm writing this with movie lore/story/etc. in mind. Not game lore/story. This isn't even really about the "Warcraft 2" story. This is just how I want them to do the Fall of Stormwind/conclusion of Warcraft 1.

Following the conclusion of the first movie, an Alliance fleet from Lordaeron/Kul Tiras/etc. arrives in Stormwind. The movie opens with King Varian and his mother the Queen Regent (along with Lothar, the High General of Stormwind or whatever) greeting their reinforcements from Lordaeron, lead by one Danath Trollbane! (Idk, you could probably substitute Turalyon or Uther or have all three of them there, don't think it would really matter.) The Alliance fleet has brought with them a couple "legions" to help defeat the Horde once and for all.

Gul'dan is in need of FUEL for the FEL and has the Horde lay siege to Stormwind but it's going pretty badly. Gul'dan sends Garona to assassinate Lothar "for the Horde" with the hopes that Stormwind will fall once its lost its defender. Garona obliges but secretly is using the opportunity to defect back to the Alliance and explain Llane's death. Gul'dan gives Garona a pair of "demon-forged" daggers. He slashes each blade across her palm, so that the weapons become "bound to her." (Get it? Soulbound!) He explains that so long as the weapons are near to her, she cannot fail.

Meanwhile, Orgrim finds his way back to the Horde. After Durotan's death, Orgrim went out into the wilds to think on how best to avenge his chieftain and clan. Having made up his mind, Orgrim returns to the fold. He doesn't have the social standing (not a chieftain, last known member of a dead clan, "ghosts can't invoke mak'gora," etc.) to challenge Gul'dan honorably. So instead, he sneaks back into camp and just beats the shit out of Gul'dan. He beats Gul'dan to within an inch of his life and has him begging. Orgrim drags Gul'dan before the entire Horde, so they can see that Gul'dan is all fucked up and bloody. Orgrim declares himself Warchief. Since the Horde had turned on Gul'dan, they don't mind this. Some of them call him "Backstabber" though, because he didn't earn himself that position "honorably."

Lothar, Khadgar, and Taria, receive Garona in the throne room. Varian is sitting on the throne and is flanked by his mother and uncle. Garona is trying to explain to them all that she had no choice, how it was Llane's idea, etc. Only Khadgar believes her. Taria feels betrayed but doesn't really voice it and rebuke Garona. Lothar and Varian both rip into her, though. Varian orders Garona imprisoned, which Lothar happily does. She's locked up in a cell and her daggers are conveniently (for plot's sake) locked away in a chest on the other side of the room.

Under Orgrim, the orcs once again lay siege to Stormwind and they're doing a bit better but still not too great. Orcs have never laid siege before, much less laid siege to a city as heavily fortified as Stormwind. Not only that, but Stormwind now has reinforcements. Grom, Kargath, and Kilrogg, are Orgrim's top lieutenants and do some fighting here and there. Gul'dan, however, sustained such a bad beating that he falls into a coma.

Back in Stormwind, Garona is languishing in her cell. She's upset because now she has no place in the Alliance. She is resolved not to kill Lothar, so she knows she can't return to the Horde. Taria comes to visit Garona (and foolishly sends the guards away) one night and they reconcile, Taria even comes into Garona's cell to give her some garments to keep her warm like she did the first time. Then Garona snaps. Her daggers are shown inside the chest, glowing brightly. Garona's eyes glow with fel, the tattoos on her body light up, and she strangles Taria to death before escaping and reclaiming her knives. (I don't know if Gul'dan actually has any mind control abilities over Garona in the movie lore, but this is what I see working best for the movie.) Lothar comes to check on his sister and Garona and discovers the scene. He orders the guards to find her and the whole city is on alert. Lothar rushes to Varian to protect him.

Gul'dan is tossing and turning in his coma-induced sleep. It's being HEAVILY implied that he is subconsciously controlling Garona. Once news of Taria's death and Garona's escape reaches the rest of the city, morale begins to drop and panic sets in. The orcs manage to fling enough large rocks at the city walls to create a decent breach and under Orgrim's command they pour into the city. Lothar secures Varian and seeing that the city is lost, orders a full retreat. Fortunately, there is an Alliance fleet in the harbor and once Lothar gets Varian safely aboard one of the vessels, he goes back into the city to rescue as many civilians as he can.

Orgrim fights his way to the royal keep, thinking that he'll find Stormwind's "chieftain" there and force him to submit. Orgrim and Lothar cross blades, not recognizing each other and definitely not knowing that the other is the leader of the enemy faction. They fight for a bit, pretty evenly matched, before Khadgar separates them with a blast of magic. Lothar takes the last civilians (that he was able to rescue) and sails to Lordaeron. Orgrim finds the royal keep deserted and seats himself on Stormwind's throne and strikes a very Conan-like pose.

In the orc camp outside Stormwind, Gul'dan awakes. He finds a depressed Garona by his bedside, not knowing what's just happened to her. Gul'dan smiles to himself, figuring out that he mind controlled her or whatever. His satisfaction is short-lived, though. A bunch of orcs storm his tent and bind him and Garona in chains, blindfold them, and gag them. Garona and Gul'dan are taken to Stormwind's throne room, where Orgrim is. They dump them before Orgrim and ask him what is to be done with them.

Orgrim commands Gul'dan to make himself useful (if he wants to live) and to summon the Horde.

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Old 06-19-2016, 12:17 AM
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If there is a sequel, it's time to bring in the Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes, Forest Trolls, Ogres, and Goblins.
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Teron Gorefiend should have some depth to him and I hope the Horde characters don't die like pathetic lumps the way Blackhand did to Lothar.
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Old 06-19-2016, 08:14 AM
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If there is a sequel, it's time to bring in the Elves, Dwarves,and Forest Trolls,also No Gnomes,NoOgres, andNO Goblins.
Fixed for ya because these dont really fit
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Old 06-19-2016, 11:45 AM
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I'd rather see a well-produced animated series with 45-minute long episodes in a single, comparatively short season (not longer than 13-15 episodes).

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I think movie Warcraft 2 should continue to cover game Warcraft 1
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Keep in mind, I'm writing this with movie lore/story/etc. in mind. Not game lore/story. This isn't even really about the "Warcraft 2" story. This is just how I want them to do the Fall of Stormwind/conclusion of Warcraft 1.

Following the conclusion of the first movie, an Alliance fleet from Lordaeron/Kul Tiras/etc. arrives in Stormwind. The movie opens with King Varian and his mother the Queen Regent (along with Lothar, the High General of Stormwind or whatever) greeting their reinforcements from Lordaeron, lead by one Danath Trollbane! (Idk, you could probably substitute Turalyon or Uther or have all three of them there, don't think it would really matter.) The Alliance fleet has brought with them a couple "legions" to help defeat the Horde once and for all.

Gul'dan is in need of FUEL for the FEL and has the Horde lay siege to Stormwind but it's going pretty badly. Gul'dan sends Garona to assassinate Lothar "for the Horde" with the hopes that Stormwind will fall once its lost its defender. Garona obliges but secretly is using the opportunity to defect back to the Alliance and explain Llane's death. Gul'dan gives Garona a pair of "demon-forged" daggers. He slashes each blade across her palm, so that the weapons become "bound to her." (Get it? Soulbound!) He explains that so long as the weapons are near to her, she cannot fail.

Meanwhile, Orgrim finds his way back to the Horde. After Durotan's death, Orgrim went out into the wilds to think on how best to avenge his chieftain and clan. Having made up his mind, Orgrim returns to the fold. He doesn't have the social standing (not a chieftain, last known member of a dead clan, "ghosts can't invoke mak'gora," etc.) to challenge Gul'dan honorably. So instead, he sneaks back into camp and just beats the shit out of Gul'dan. He beats Gul'dan to within an inch of his life and has him begging. Orgrim drags Gul'dan before the entire Horde, so they can see that Gul'dan is all fucked up and bloody. Orgrim declares himself Warchief. Since the Horde had turned on Gul'dan, they don't mind this. Some of them call him "Backstabber" though, because he didn't earn himself that position "honorably."

Lothar, Khadgar, and Taria, receive Garona in the throne room. Varian is sitting on the throne and is flanked by his mother and uncle. Garona is trying to explain to them all that she had no choice, how it was Llane's idea, etc. Only Khadgar believes her. Taria feels betrayed but doesn't really voice it and rebuke Garona. Lothar and Varian both rip into her, though. Varian orders Garona imprisoned, which Lothar happily does. She's locked up in a cell and her daggers are conveniently (for plot's sake) locked away in a chest on the other side of the room.

Under Orgrim, the orcs once again lay siege to Stormwind and they're doing a bit better but still not too great. Orcs have never laid siege before, much less laid siege to a city as heavily fortified as Stormwind. Not only that, but Stormwind now has reinforcements. Grom, Kargath, and Kilrogg, are Orgrim's top lieutenants and do some fighting here and there. Gul'dan, however, sustained such a bad beating that he falls into a coma.

Back in Stormwind, Garona is languishing in her cell. She's upset because now she has no place in the Alliance. She is resolved not to kill Lothar, so she knows she can't return to the Horde. Taria comes to visit Garona (and foolishly sends the guards away) one night and they reconcile, Taria even comes into Garona's cell to give her some garments to keep her warm like she did the first time. Then Garona snaps. Her daggers are shown inside the chest, glowing brightly. Garona's eyes glow with fel, the tattoos on her body light up, and she strangles Taria to death before escaping and reclaiming her knives. (I don't know if Gul'dan actually has any mind control abilities over Garona in the movie lore, but this is what I see working best for the movie.) Lothar comes to check on his sister and Garona and discovers the scene. He orders the guards to find her and the whole city is on alert. Lothar rushes to Varian to protect him.

Gul'dan is tossing and turning in his coma-induced sleep. It's being HEAVILY implied that he is subconsciously controlling Garona. Once news of Taria's death and Garona's escape reaches the rest of the city, morale begins to drop and panic sets in. The orcs manage to fling enough large rocks at the city walls to create a decent breach and under Orgrim's command they pour into the city. Lothar secures Varian and seeing that the city is lost, orders a full retreat. Fortunately, there is an Alliance fleet in the harbor and once Lothar gets Varian safely aboard one of the vessels, he goes back into the city to rescue as many civilians as he can.

Orgrim fights his way to the royal keep, thinking that he'll find Stormwind's "chieftain" there and force him to submit. Orgrim and Lothar cross blades, not recognizing each other and definitely not knowing that the other is the leader of the enemy faction. They fight for a bit, pretty evenly matched, before Khadgar separates them with a blast of magic. Lothar takes the last civilians (that he was able to rescue) and sails to Lordaeron. Orgrim finds the royal keep deserted and seats himself on Stormwind's throne and strikes a very Conan-like pose.

In the orc camp outside Stormwind, Gul'dan awakes. He finds a depressed Garona by his bedside, not knowing what's just happened to her. Gul'dan smiles to himself, figuring out that he mind controlled her or whatever. His satisfaction is short-lived, though. A bunch of orcs storm his tent and bind him and Garona in chains, blindfold them, and gag them. Garona and Gul'dan are taken to Stormwind's throne room, where Orgrim is. They dump them before Orgrim and ask him what is to be done with them.

Orgrim commands Gul'dan to make himself useful (if he wants to live) and to summon the Horde.
Stuff I like in this design:

* Orgrim beats Gul'dan at his own game by choosing to ignore the rules. Using the Doomhammer to just bludgeon the living tar out of Gul'dan before he can use the fel to overwhelm Orgrim is exactly the kind of thing he would do, especially after seeing Gul'dan's entire bag of tricks from Durotan's fight with him.

* The only reason that Gul'dan doesn't die is because Orgrim knows that he's the only way they can open the Dark Portal again to allow the rest of the Horde to enter Azeroth. The idea that Orgrim would decide to adopt all orcs as his clan (partially out of guilt for betraying the Frostwolves) sets the stage for what we know is coming down the line, where Orgrim inspires Thrall to essentially do the same thing. This then feeds into the component where Orgrim feels a compulsion to keep Gul'dan alive only long enough to ensure that the rest of the Horde can at least find refuge on Azeroth, since Draenor is beyond saving. This is WORLDS better than the canon explanation of Doomhammer's reasoning for keeping Gul'dan alive.

There are a lot of things I don't like (i.e. Taria getting offed, Garona becoming a tool, the lack of character development for anyone on the Alliance aside from Lothar, who already had the first film as his showcase) but I'll need to get into those later: the core thing I like is the sense that we can have Orgrim be a heroic warchief while also doing some real awful shit to the Alliance because he has to keep the entire race of orcs in his care. It's a great way to show the complexity of his character that came about as the franchise developed.
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Stuff I like in this design:

* Orgrim beats Gul'dan at his own game by choosing to ignore the rules. Using the Doomhammer to just bludgeon the living tar out of Gul'dan before he can use the fel to overwhelm Orgrim is exactly the kind of thing he would do, especially after seeing Gul'dan's entire bag of tricks from Durotan's fight with him.

* The only reason that Gul'dan doesn't die is because Orgrim knows that he's the only way they can open the Dark Portal again to allow the rest of the Horde to enter Azeroth. The idea that Orgrim would decide to adopt all orcs as his clan (partially out of guilt for betraying the Frostwolves) sets the stage for what we know is coming down the line, where Orgrim inspires Thrall to essentially do the same thing. This then feeds into the component where Orgrim feels a compulsion to keep Gul'dan alive only long enough to ensure that the rest of the Horde can at least find refuge on Azeroth, since Draenor is beyond saving. This is WORLDS better than the canon explanation of Doomhammer's reasoning for keeping Gul'dan alive.

There are a lot of things I don't like (i.e. Taria getting offed, Garona becoming a tool, the lack of character development for anyone on the Alliance aside from Lothar, who already had the first film as his showcase) but I'll need to get into those later: the core thing I like is the sense that we can have Orgrim be a heroic warchief while also doing some real awful shit to the Alliance because he has to keep the entire race of orcs in his care. It's a great way to show the complexity of his character that came about as the franchise developed.
Hey, thanks for the feedback. Yeah, a couple things I should mention: I wrote that post on the spot, without much forethought put into it. Not only that, but I definitely wrote it more from a Horde-side (especially Orgrim, because I love that character) perspective, while also trying to fit the general outline of events as they occurred in the game canon into a possible movie scenario. So I definitely do acknowledge the fact that I neglected certain bits (especially Alliance related) and characters.

I'd honestly be delighted to read how you'd handle the aspects that you didn't like. However, Taria certainly died in the game's canon (if she even exists by that name) and Garona was mind-controlled by Gul'dan into assassinating Llane. So I'm really interested in seeing how you would approach that and translate it into the movie.
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Keep in mind, I'm writing this with movie lore/story/etc. in mind. Not game lore/story. This isn't even really about the "Warcraft 2" story. This is just how I want them to do the Fall of Stormwind/conclusion of Warcraft 1.

Following the conclusion of the first movie, an Alliance fleet from Lordaeron/Kul Tiras/etc. arrives in Stormwind. The movie opens with King Varian and his mother the Queen Regent (along with Lothar, the High General of Stormwind or whatever) greeting their reinforcements from Lordaeron, lead by one Danath Trollbane! (Idk, you could probably substitute Turalyon or Uther or have all three of them there, don't think it would really matter.) The Alliance fleet has brought with them a couple "legions" to help defeat the Horde once and for all.

Gul'dan is in need of FUEL for the FEL and has the Horde lay siege to Stormwind but it's going pretty badly. Gul'dan sends Garona to assassinate Lothar "for the Horde" with the hopes that Stormwind will fall once its lost its defender. Garona obliges but secretly is using the opportunity to defect back to the Alliance and explain Llane's death. Gul'dan gives Garona a pair of "demon-forged" daggers. He slashes each blade across her palm, so that the weapons become "bound to her." (Get it? Soulbound!) He explains that so long as the weapons are near to her, she cannot fail.

Meanwhile, Orgrim finds his way back to the Horde. After Durotan's death, Orgrim went out into the wilds to think on how best to avenge his chieftain and clan. Having made up his mind, Orgrim returns to the fold. He doesn't have the social standing (not a chieftain, last known member of a dead clan, "ghosts can't invoke mak'gora," etc.) to challenge Gul'dan honorably. So instead, he sneaks back into camp and just beats the shit out of Gul'dan. He beats Gul'dan to within an inch of his life and has him begging. Orgrim drags Gul'dan before the entire Horde, so they can see that Gul'dan is all fucked up and bloody. Orgrim declares himself Warchief. Since the Horde had turned on Gul'dan, they don't mind this. Some of them call him "Backstabber" though, because he didn't earn himself that position "honorably."

Lothar, Khadgar, and Taria, receive Garona in the throne room. Varian is sitting on the throne and is flanked by his mother and uncle. Garona is trying to explain to them all that she had no choice, how it was Llane's idea, etc. Only Khadgar believes her. Taria feels betrayed but doesn't really voice it and rebuke Garona. Lothar and Varian both rip into her, though. Varian orders Garona imprisoned, which Lothar happily does. She's locked up in a cell and her daggers are conveniently (for plot's sake) locked away in a chest on the other side of the room.

Under Orgrim, the orcs once again lay siege to Stormwind and they're doing a bit better but still not too great. Orcs have never laid siege before, much less laid siege to a city as heavily fortified as Stormwind. Not only that, but Stormwind now has reinforcements. Grom, Kargath, and Kilrogg, are Orgrim's top lieutenants and do some fighting here and there. Gul'dan, however, sustained such a bad beating that he falls into a coma.

Back in Stormwind, Garona is languishing in her cell. She's upset because now she has no place in the Alliance. She is resolved not to kill Lothar, so she knows she can't return to the Horde. Taria comes to visit Garona (and foolishly sends the guards away) one night and they reconcile, Taria even comes into Garona's cell to give her some garments to keep her warm like she did the first time. Then Garona snaps. Her daggers are shown inside the chest, glowing brightly. Garona's eyes glow with fel, the tattoos on her body light up, and she strangles Taria to death before escaping and reclaiming her knives. (I don't know if Gul'dan actually has any mind control abilities over Garona in the movie lore, but this is what I see working best for the movie.) Lothar comes to check on his sister and Garona and discovers the scene. He orders the guards to find her and the whole city is on alert. Lothar rushes to Varian to protect him.

Gul'dan is tossing and turning in his coma-induced sleep. It's being HEAVILY implied that he is subconsciously controlling Garona. Once news of Taria's death and Garona's escape reaches the rest of the city, morale begins to drop and panic sets in. The orcs manage to fling enough large rocks at the city walls to create a decent breach and under Orgrim's command they pour into the city. Lothar secures Varian and seeing that the city is lost, orders a full retreat. Fortunately, there is an Alliance fleet in the harbor and once Lothar gets Varian safely aboard one of the vessels, he goes back into the city to rescue as many civilians as he can.

Orgrim fights his way to the royal keep, thinking that he'll find Stormwind's "chieftain" there and force him to submit. Orgrim and Lothar cross blades, not recognizing each other and definitely not knowing that the other is the leader of the enemy faction. They fight for a bit, pretty evenly matched, before Khadgar separates them with a blast of magic. Lothar takes the last civilians (that he was able to rescue) and sails to Lordaeron. Orgrim finds the royal keep deserted and seats himself on Stormwind's throne and strikes a very Conan-like pose.

In the orc camp outside Stormwind, Gul'dan awakes. He finds a depressed Garona by his bedside, not knowing what's just happened to her. Gul'dan smiles to himself, figuring out that he mind controlled her or whatever. His satisfaction is short-lived, though. A bunch of orcs storm his tent and bind him and Garona in chains, blindfold them, and gag them. Garona and Gul'dan are taken to Stormwind's throne room, where Orgrim is. They dump them before Orgrim and ask him what is to be done with them.

Orgrim commands Gul'dan to make himself useful (if he wants to live) and to summon the Horde.
That's pretty awesome.

I wouldn't make the entire movie about Stormwind though. I would introduce the second war as well, so the third movie is about the second war in all its glory. I would have preferred a W1, W2, W2X trilogy, but too late for that. Shame on you anyway, Blizzard. Shame on you.

So, ideas:

We could see Orgrim contacting the forest trolls, or the jungle trolls for that matter. These could be the ones to bring captives to reopen the Dark Portal again, in this case, lesser tribe jungle trolls. Garona could have a translator role here, as Orgrim's assistant or something.

Meanwhile Lothar is at Lordaeron, reporting about the situation. The Dark Portal needs to be destroyed. He gets help and ships. Second War characters join him here already.

Then they reopen the portal and bring half of the Horde. They have good numbers now, but they don't have siege weapons, and the Alliance is now organized and the legions have a solid defense. Their camp at the Dark Portal is vulnerable.

A goblin, captured by the jungle trolls, offers them a deal. There's a fortress north: Blackrock Mountain. It has the ore they need for the siege weapons, and he only asks for a bit of it for himself.

A small party led by Orgrim takes Blackrock Mountain, defeating the Dark Iron dwarves, and bringing the survivors south the fuel the portal. The entire Horde crosses now, and they march north to join the main army. Ogres are included.

The Alliance arrives to the Dark Portal, and find small resistance. They destroy it. Mages of the Kirin Tor make sure the breach is sealed. The Alliance falls back to Stormwind, to defend it.

Then we get a big ass siege and the Horde wins.

An alternative:

The jungle trolls help open the Dark Portal early in the movie, and the entire Horde crosses through, with Stormwind falling just amid the first negotiations. The Alliance ambassadors see the Horde first hand, and shit gets real once the ships land in Lordaeron.

Then the Horde takes Blackrock Mountain, and uses Dark Iron slaves to mine the ore for their siege weapons. Back south the trolls help them build ships, and the Horde splits in two, one half by sea, another by land.

I would skip dragons altogether, or make Deathwing appear in the movie, leading the goblins. No idea.

The movie would end with the Horde failing the siege of Lordaeron Capital City, or with the battle of Blackrock Mountain. Orgrim should die or be captured by the end of the 2nd movie no matter what.

Third movie would deal with the orcs reopening the Dark Portal and fleeing back. This time the portal wouldn't open properly, since Gul'dan is dead from Broken Isles holidays. Maybe a death knight sucks up life from the earth instead of people, which makes it unstable.

Then the Alliance crosses to close it and we get W2X.

PS: I still dislike the movie, specially the pacing and the character development (or lack thereof), so I don't know if this would work well for the 2nd movie for non-fan audience. Also many of the new troops of W2 should have been introduced in the first movie... Alliance races were introduced already, and they're easy to anyway, but death knights and dragons need some plot development. We didn't even see other warlocks aside from Gul'dan, so we'd spend a lot of time introducing everything.
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Hey, thanks for the feedback. Yeah, a couple things I should mention: I wrote that post on the spot, without much forethought put into it. Not only that, but I definitely wrote it more from a Horde-side (especially Orgrim, because I love that character) perspective, while also trying to fit the general outline of events as they occurred in the game canon into a possible movie scenario. So I definitely do acknowledge the fact that I neglected certain bits (especially Alliance related) and characters.

I'd honestly be delighted to read how you'd handle the aspects that you didn't like. However, Taria certainly died in the game's canon (if she even exists by that name) and Garona was mind-controlled by Gul'dan into assassinating Llane. So I'm really interested in seeing how you would approach that and translate it into the movie.
For something that was written on the spot I thought it was pretty good for a Horde centric sequel. Your portrayal of Orgrim is definitely the best part of your post, but the way he becomes leader of the Horde is a little weak. The orcs would be willing to follow someone who isn't Gul'dan but not someone who sneaks into their camp and declares himself leader.

With what's going on in the movie-verse and how it relates to canon, I don't think it's necessary to have Taria die or Garona mind controlled. You'd have to kill his sister, too, if you wanted to get back on track.

I have a feeling that the fall of Stormwind will be the end of the second movie and the closing of the Dark Portal will be the end of the third movie with its own canon taking shape. But things I'd like to see in the sequel are most of the Warcraft II units and the Sons of Lothar being introduced.
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This looks like Warcraft 2: Garona does shit, no one cares. Mists of Pandaria 2.0, the Horde runs the story.
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1) Mannoroth and/or Kil'jaeden are introduced. They empower other orcs to aid Gul'dan who forms a Shadow Council.
2) The Portal is reopened, bringing in Orc reinforcements
3) Orgrim would be the POV character for the Horde
4) Horde arc would be about the finding of a new WarChief
5) Orgrim takes revenge for Durotan and puts an end to the Shadow Council in the climax
6) Sacking of Stormwind
7) Terenas and Arthas are introduced

I'm not sure what you'd do with the humans at this point. The alliance formed at the end of the first film (I think?), so I don't know where you take it from there. Probably introduce the other Sons of Lothar, the Paladins, etc.
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Hey, thanks for the feedback. Yeah, a couple things I should mention: I wrote that post on the spot, without much forethought put into it. Not only that, but I definitely wrote it more from a Horde-side (especially Orgrim, because I love that character) perspective, while also trying to fit the general outline of events as they occurred in the game canon into a possible movie scenario. So I definitely do acknowledge the fact that I neglected certain bits (especially Alliance related) and characters.
I'll agree with the consensus that for something written off-the-cuff, it's definitely a solid first draft.

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I'd honestly be delighted to read how you'd handle the aspects that you didn't like. However, Taria certainly died in the game's canon (if she even exists by that name) and Garona was mind-controlled by Gul'dan into assassinating Llane. So I'm really interested in seeing how you would approach that and translate it into the movie.
Llane's bride is never identified in the game canon, so there's certainly that. And the problem with Garona going under mind control is that it completely deletes the agency of her character.

Addressing those issues is challenging, but let's see what we can do.

Consider Garona's position at the end of this first film. She won a great of honor for herself by killing Llane before the Horde, but she's still a half-breed who is physically not a match for the greater warriors of the warband, so she's not going to be taking Blackhand's place as Gul'dan's enforcer. In truth, all that killing Llane got for Garona was the right to be called an "orc" instead of a sub-orc creature.

Consider what Garona sees in the situation at hand. Garona knows that the Stormwinders won't ever trust her again, while she has been able to at least eke out a position for herself in the Horde. And the Horde won't survive if the rest of the orcish population back on Draenor are left to rot because Gul'dan can't open the portal. So Garona may have a vested interest in opening the portal in order to save the orcs, even when she knows that bringing the rest of the Horde to Azeroth only increases the chance that Stormwind will be overrun and everyone who treated her like a person before she killed Llane will be killed in turn. So Garona is in the position where she has to thread this needle of saving the Horde while also saving the Alliance. One method might be this: if Garona can find a way to convince humanity to aid in opening the Dark Portal under a guarantee that the full might of the Horde does not get turned on Stormwind or the rest of the kingdoms, then that could be a way to attain the peace that Llane died for.

I could see a scenario where Garona might approach Khadgar (who stands the greatest chance of trusting her) with that problem: how can we open the portal without using the fel(*)? Khadgar would be the most viable expert on the portal at this point aside from Gul'dan, between having Karazhan's resources at his disposal and his close (if brief) contact with Medivh.

The arc for Garona, then, is her quest to fulfill Llane's final wish, and whether or not that ends up being attainable for her has everything to do with the greater arc intended for her in this cinematic universe. There are any number of possibilities, but doing a more direct adaptation of Garona's nonsensical narrative in the game narrative just doesn't feel like a good fit for cinematic storytelling, since a) nothing Garona does makes sense and b) she's completely irrelevant for a long time after killing Llane.

(*) and if you said "hey how bout that Eye of Dalaran" then heeeeeeey

When it comes to Taria, she's really a blank slate. I think in a post-Llane world she exists to give someone Lothar has to answer to, and I think her inclusion means that she can be more readily used to try and temper the growing aggression that the Alliance may want to visit upon the Horde.

Looking at things more broadly, consider the overall metanarrative that comes about in ToD: namely, that you have infighting on both factions that ends up playing a pivotal role in the course of the war, between Alterac's defection and Gul'dan's betrayal.

Focus back in on Taria for a moment: imagine that she is a voice of restraint who is constantly reining in Lothar's lust for vengeance against the Horde for Llane and Callan's deaths. Lothar wants vengeance, which Taria thinks will only breed more violence with a violent people, whereas Taria wants justice, which a culture that values honor like the Horde might be more willing to respect. So the idea that Taria might eventually get characterized as an adversary of the Alliance, and that someone on the Alliance side might decide she makes a better martyr than a queen, might serve as an interesting counterpoint to Orgrim's growing sense that while Gul'dan is evil, he is a necessary evil for the Horde as long as the orcs are trapped on Draenor.

Finding someone to play the role of a heel on the Alliance side shouldn't really be that hard: Aiden Perenolde, Garithos, even Blackmoore if you really want to seed him at this stage. Karos (the Stormwinder officer who rode with Lothar and was seemingly captured by the Horde) seemed like he was going to be set up for that role, but then it never coalesced in the film, so we still need a bad guy on Team Blue that's not Medivh.

So to reiterate, and perhaps synthesize these two concepts: Garona wants to bring the Horde to Azeroth so that Gul'dan can't continue using the Dark Portal as a motivator for the war. Khadgar is the key for helping her accomplish this, and Taria is the key to making Lothar and the Alliance believe that allowing the Horde entry won't be the end of the world.

... this deserves some more thought, but that's at least a few concepts off the top of my head.
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