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Old 03-26-2018, 08:11 PM
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@Kel'Thuzad: "Rumors quickly spread that his soul was lost to the Shadowland, the realm of the dead."

@Drakkari: Nothing.

The Book doesn't focus that much on certain questlines, but rather Raid Lore, which faction did it lorewise and some of it's consequences.

(Like for example, Moira being responsable for the Attacks on Molten Core and Backwing Lair by spreading rumors to the factions, what threat Ragi/Nef are and what "riches and artefacts of untold power" adventurers would find.

Her main motivation for this was to free the Dark Irons and to secure her power base.)

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Old 03-26-2018, 09:46 PM
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When we last heard of Kel'thuzad he was carried off in soul form by a suspicious character so I'm sure that the Shadowland bit is just trying to kill him off after either forgetting about him, losing interest in him, or both.
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Old 03-27-2018, 07:12 AM
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Does it mention anything on Al’Akir, or Nefarion in Cata?
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Old 03-27-2018, 11:54 AM
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Does it mention anything on Al’Akir, or Nefarion in Cata?
Cant find anything on Al'Akir, but Nefrion gets mentioned once because DW raised him to get the knowledge that he had on creating new dragons.
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Old 03-27-2018, 12:12 PM
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Cant find anything on Al'Akir, but Nefrion gets mentioned once because DW raised him to get the knowledge that he had on creating new dragons.
So do we just not take his head like Onyxia, or DW took that too?
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Old 03-27-2018, 01:44 PM
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Fel blackrocks and such have been retconned, there is no mention of Tyrande falling of a bridge in lordaeron or of the missions relating to her in tft.

Alliance discovers Ashenvale first.
Stromgarde, gnome dwarves and survivors of the human kingdoms are mentioned to be part of the force that goes to kalimdor no mention of gilneas

lots of weird stuff.

High elves call themself blood elves
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Old 03-27-2018, 01:46 PM
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http://www.wowhead.com/news=283051/w...fo-on-old-gods

A summary by Wowhead about new Old God related stuff .

@Al’Akir: Only on two pages.

Once that he still was loyal to N'zoth and believing his promise, that he would free him and Ragi to roam the World again.

And then how the Skywall emerged from the Elemental Planes through a rift in Uldum. And that he got deafted by Alliace and horde.

@Nef:

Yeah, him and Sintharia were basically under the control of the Twilights after they got ressed by Void Magic. They are mentioned to have retained a sliver of their former personalities.

But as said, they were only ressed to create more Twilight and Chromatic Dragons.

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The Story Stuff is often heavily condensed making it sometimes a bit unclear what was retconned or not.

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Old 03-27-2018, 03:25 PM
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So do we just not take his head like Onyxia, or DW took that too?
The Horde killed him originally. No mention of what happened to his head afterwards.

As for Al'Akir, he was defeated by the H & A, but something new of note. He wanted the Forge of Origination to scour every creature from Azeroth, not DW.

Also something new I found out. The whole Burning Crusade expansion?

It was thanks to KJ. KJ manipulated the Alliance and Horde into invading Outland to kill Illidan. KJ wanted Illidan out of the way and we did it for him without realizing it.

Also, the four Dreadlords who kept an eye on the LK made themselves immune to the Frostmorne's soul stealing ability. Any other creature, including dreadlords, would have their soul sucked into the sword.
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Also something new I found out. The whole Burning Crusade expansion?

It was thanks to KJ. KJ manipulated the Alliance and Horde into invading Outland to kill Illidan. KJ wanted Illidan out of the way and we did it for him without realizing it.
That's not new lmao

It's literally how the story pans out in-game, with Kael attacking Shattrath on KJ's orders and then later on the Sunwell patch
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Old 03-27-2018, 04:13 PM
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This is probably known but A'dal, Oros and Muru are part of the Army of the light.
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Old 03-27-2018, 04:14 PM
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That's not new lmao

It's literally how the story pans out in-game, with Kael attacking Shattrath on KJ's orders and then later on the Sunwell patch
So where is it reveled in game that it was KJ who opened up the Dark Portal and enticed the A/H to go into Outland by sending Kruul and his demons to attack the A/H?

Also, Kael wasn't attacking Shattrath on KJ's order. Illidan ordered Kael to attack Shatt to prevent them from interfering with his attacks on the Legion. KJ had nothing to do with the order.
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The Horde killed him originally. No mention of what happened to his head afterwards.
By we I mean players.

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Also something new I found out. The whole Burning Crusade expansion?

It was thanks to KJ. KJ manipulated the Alliance and Horde into invading Outland to kill Illidan. KJ wanted Illidan out of the way and we did it for him without realizing it.
We knew that from the Illidan novel didn't we?
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Old 03-27-2018, 05:25 PM
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By we I mean players.
Yes, the players

The Horde champions took Nefarian's head as proof of their victory and returned to Orgrimmar as conquering heroes.


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We knew that from the Illidan novel didn't we?
If it's not in the game, then that's the place I would think that it is in.
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Old 03-27-2018, 06:11 PM
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Also, Kael wasn't attacking Shattrath on KJ's order. Illidan ordered Kael to attack Shatt to prevent them from interfering with his attacks on the Legion. KJ had nothing to do with the order.
It was never stated who ordered Kael's attack on Shattrath; the Sha'tar assumed it was on Illidan's orders.

It's a stated fact ever since the first Burning Crusade website.

And then you have the quite obvious remarks of Kael

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A'dal's thoughts invade your mind.
Kael'thas Sunstrider has been defeated by <name> and <his/her> allies.
The time to strike at the remaining blood elves of Tempest Keep is now. Take arms and let A'dal's song of battle empower you!
A fiery symbol of the Sunfury, a rising phoenix, appears in front of A'dal, and then an image of Kael'thas Sunstrider appears in front of the symbol, facing the naaru.
Kael'thas Sunstrider yells: Your monkeys failed to finish the job, naaru. Beaten but alive... The same mistake was not made when we took command of your vessel.
Kael'thas Sunstrider yells: All for what? Trinkets? You are too late. The preparations have already begun. Soon the master will make his return.
Kael'thas Sunstrider yells: And there is nothing you or that fool, Illidan, can do to stop me! You have both served me in your own right - unwittingly.
Kael'thas laughs.
Kael'thas Sunstrider yells: Lay down your arms and succumb to the might of Kil'jaeden!
> Kael'thas Sunstrider yells: And there is nothing you or that fool, Illidan, can do to stop me! You have both served me in your own right - unwittingly.
> Kael'thas Sunstrider yells: Lay down your arms and succumb to the might of Kil'jaeden!

What happens next? Oh right, Kil'jaeden attacks the Sunwell.

It has always been there, it was just a matter of connecting the dots. Something they bothered to do about Kil'jaeden, Illidan and Kael but didn't give a damn about Sylvanas, the Horde, the motherloving dreadlord and Lordaeron.
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Old 03-27-2018, 06:21 PM
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Ethereals were attracted to Outland by the space warping the manaforges were doing. Unironically thanks Kael.
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Old 03-28-2018, 01:17 AM
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@Shattrath Attack:

It was done on Illidan's order, who saw the resurgence there as a threat to his war against the Legion. (p. 141)

Keal also wanted that Illidan's Demon Hunters join the battle, but he refused, which angered Keal deeply.

He saw the Scryer's betrayal as a personal failure of his own but never admited it publicly. (As I've already written, it was at a time, when he already had become quite coo coo.)

Illidan not retaliating against the Naaru (because he was too focused on his Demon Hunters) was the final straw for Keal to finally accept Kil'jaeden's offer....
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:04 AM
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@Shattrath Attack:

It was done on Illidan's order, who saw the resurgence there as a threat to his war against the Legion. (p. 141)
So, a retcon?

And a weird one at that.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:01 AM
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So is Vol. 3 not available on the Blizz store? And I swear I remember Vol 1 being on there, but it just seems only Vol 2 anymore
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:31 AM
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So, a retcon?

And a weird one at that.
Apparently, Illidan thought that if the Naaru and their allies would gather enough strengh they would likely move against him and seize control of Outland from him.
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:55 AM
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It's just an attempt to refit Illidan's chronic villainy (remember, WC3 established he betrayed his own family to get his magic fix) from his first appearence to TBC for the dark hero spin he's been forced into out of shameless pandering. Just that. I'm sure Chronicles doesn't say anything about Illidan's posse torching Night Elf villages either.
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I couldn't tell for sure in the actual book, but a magnified look at this picture of Grom fighting Cenarius makes it appear that along with adopting his AU backstory, they may have also retconned and replaced his MU full-jaw tattoo with his tiny AU one.

So I guess that would make the full-jaw tattoo just some random idea Garrosh came up with himself.
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Old 04-02-2018, 01:37 AM
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Does the book explain anything about The Guardian or the Forgotten One?
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Does the book explain anything about The Guardian or the Forgotten One?
No to the first.

The second is just folded into the generalized reference to "servants of the Old Gods" in Azjol-Nerub trying to stop Arthas from reaching Icecrown because the Old Gods wanted Illidan to succeed in destroying the Lich King.

Since there turned out to be shadow (i.e. void) revenants in the Frostmourne Cavern in WoW, one might theorize that they were also minions of the Old Gods trying to keep Arthas away and derail the Scourge's (and at the time, therefore the Legion's) plans, since a successful Legion invasion of Azeroth wasn't something the Old Gods wanted. It's not mentioned at all though, so that's just speculation.

Volume 3 makes a point of framing numerous things aligned against the Legion's interests as turning out to be the Old Gods acting to stave off their invasions in one way or another. Vashj for instance was serving Illidan under their orders (or more likely, under Azshara's orders as given to the queen by them) specifically because his efforts to destroy the Scourge would cause chaos all over Azeroth and his goal of fighting the Legion would be one more thing standing in the way of the demons' return.

EDIT: Incidentally, I've found a weird inconsistency in the Kael'thjas story. The Chronicle indicates that he throws his lot in with Kil'jaeden and leaves the Black Temple in response to the Scryers' defection to the naaru, yet it then states that when he leaves the Black Temple and goes to the Netherstorm it's before Tempest Keep arrives, meaning the naaru weren't in Outland yet.

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Old 04-02-2018, 05:27 AM
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Incidentally, I've found a weird inconsistency in the Kael'thjas story. The Chronicle indicates that he throws his lot in with Kil'jaeden and leaves the Black Temple in response to the Scryers' defection to the naaru, yet it then states that when he leaves the Black Temple and goes to the Netherstorm it's before Tempest Keep arrives, meaning the naaru weren't in Outland yet.
That's on p. 144 "Blood Knights", isn't it?

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Kael'thas has journeyed to the Netherstorm before...
That is actually consistant with what been told in Chp. 5 of the Illidan Novel, where Laady Malande excused Kael's absence to Illidan, because he and his army were traveling to the Netherstorm to close the Legion Portal there. (This was about 4 years before the fall of the BT.)

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Yet that was before the Tempest Keep Arrival.
This is imo. a reference to that travel. The Paragraph also tells that he tried to harness the latent energies of that region, but failed.

But he was finally able to do it, when years later, he and his people conquered the Tempest Keep and dismantled parts of it to create the Manaforges (p. 146, "The Etherals")

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