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Old 10-20-2018, 09:28 AM
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I love how every "leftist" is unable to understand what's going on.

The working class is supposed to be represented by the left, yet they are massively voting for these "far right" parties instead.

And yeah, keep insulting them, instead of addressing their problems, because that worked so well in the past.

The "holier than thou" attitude needs to be gone, and you need to listen to other's ideas and problems. Your truth isn't universal, and you can't force your ideals down others' throats "just because it's the right way".
Look, I understand you hate freedom, equality, and democracy, but that doesn't mean you should encourage everyone else to vote for far right nutjobs.
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Old 10-20-2018, 12:07 PM
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Look, I understand you hate freedom, equality, and democracy, but that doesn't mean you should encourage everyone else to vote for far right nutjobs.
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Old 10-23-2018, 01:33 PM
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The candidate Lon-ami is supporting is now calling to round up his political opponents if he wins:
"Either they go overseas, or go to jail… These red outlaws will be banished from our homeland. It will be a clean-up, the likes of which has never been seen in Brazilian history"
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...1022-0006.html
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Old 10-23-2018, 01:36 PM
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It's incredible how many democracies are unable to feed their poorest, yet dictatorships can fix all of those problems in a few years, even months. But it's supposed to be a bad system, right? Tell that to those starving.
Right, because everyone is fat and happy in North Korea, Eritrea and Venezuela?
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:09 AM
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:29 AM
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If you expect a Tory to have any grasp on reality you're a good ten years out of luck.
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Old 10-26-2018, 03:47 AM
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Eh the definitions of right and left are quite iffy. Depending on the time and place of the person you asking you could call just about any govt. far-right or far-left. That said without much doubt we can say Nazis were socially rightwing.

Economically, if one uses only that to define the right and left, it gets a bit more complicated. I am not an expert but I've read that economically Nazis were rather centrist (for the time) and Keynesians, in fact very similar to FDR's America so they were as leftwing as the US at worst.
In a modern political context of the US this would make them quite leftwing, Bernie Sanders leftwing. In Europe this would make them somewhere from center-right to moderate left depending on who you asked. Again this is just talking economics and leaving their opinions on social norms out of it.
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Old 10-26-2018, 12:34 PM
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Not sure if I'm understanding much of this from google translate.
https://m.dw.com/pt-br/batida-polici...A3o/a-46054095
Are Brazilian officials going around and seizing literature encouraging democracy and trying to keep Brazil from falling into the depths of fascism?
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Old 10-26-2018, 06:18 PM
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The policials are charging into universities investigating professors, confiscating their external HDDs, shutting down anti-fascist meetings and thats overall creating a climate of censorship and dictatorship.

Meanwhile, Jair Bolsonaro's son committed a crime the other day by saying that the supreme court should be shut down through guns and brute force and nothing has happened to him beyond the court saying "Yes it's a crime".

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https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

Thank god the supreme court is waking up



https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url
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Old 10-28-2018, 04:35 PM
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Keep safe Krainz.
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Old 12-05-2018, 03:59 PM
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What's the deal with France?
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:53 AM
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:24 PM
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Unhappy people meet Facebook.
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:17 PM
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From what I saw in the news, the countryside people aren't getting the same benefits from the gov programs as the Parisians seem to be getting, so the taxes for the countryside French are too high for their living standards and they don't seem to be able to make ends meet.

So they are mad at the government plus at Parisians.
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:09 AM
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They basically got all fucked over by Macron's "reforms".

Here some translated quote from a german newspaper article about the whole mess.

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President Macron has always inspired the press and people abroad in Europe - probably because he is a supporter of multiple nationality and is rightly regarded as the politician of the future for a common, progressive Europe. At home, however, only a few can warm up to him. In the first round of elections in 2017, Macron received his vote from just under one in four voters - not citizens. The victory over Marine Le Pen in the second round was the result of a very bad performance by Le Pen in the speech duel and the fear of the extreme right-wing party. It was no sympathy for his program.

As an economic liberal, he was the first official to lower taxes for the wealthy and on capital gains, and in interviews with the Financial Times he had courted corporate leaders. Macron believed that his signals to corporations and industries would bring the upswing to France. His deep conviction is that if things go well at the top of society, even the poorest will benefit. The former banker has formulated his guiding principle himself: "The first on the rope pulls everyone else with him.

Since then, Macron has been holding the label of the President of the Rich. He himself uses this picture every now and then with verbal failures. It is almost absurd to shout to an unemployed person that he only has to cross the street to find a job. Even his saying to a protesting student that he should first buy himself a decent suit before asking the president anything, testified to blasphemy.

Worse in public, however, is the fact that the majority of his deputies have visited one of the country's few elite universities, are company bosses, lawyers or doctors - or have already had a career in another party. If all parties have more well-educated members of parliament than there are on average in society, En Marche has more than all other parties. In this respect, it is even less representative than its competitors.

Macron, however, had sold his candidates as envoys of real life. That is precisely why they are viewed particularly critically by those at the end of the rope. The fact that this week a member of En Marche's parliament had no idea in an interview how high the minimum wage was in France has become a constant issue in the social media. After all, many MEPs speak as if they had to go to the zoo to meet normally privileged people - "I was at the market and had a chat", they emphasise, for example, or "I was talking to a single parent yesterday".
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Most Frenchmen and women have only kept two of his laws in mind: The ISF wealth tax, where he cut taxes for the rich. And the higher taxes on pensions. These are his original sins, which are discussed again and again at the baker's, in the circle of friends, in the pub. "ISF" is also emblazoned on the yellow West, demonstrators on the Champs-Élysées chant "Number the ISF", in the meantime members of his own party also demand that this symbol of "injustice" be taken back and the approximately three billion euros be recovered annually.

The fact that Macron is progressive towards many groups, such as same-sex couples and their desire to have children or towards harassed women, fades behind this. They are also projects that cost nothing. In the coming months, there will be a fundamental discussion about taxes, which are often "misunderstood" by the French, said Prime Minister Philippe. And indirectly repeats the well-known mantra that their policy is right, but does not go down well with the people.
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Old 12-08-2018, 06:20 PM
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I'd also add that one of the straws that broke the camel's back were the fuel taxes that were raised recently. If you're someone who needs a vehicle to get around either due to work or due to poor public transportation then this disproportionately affects you. Combined with the earlier mentioned tax cuts for the wealthy, and labour law reform people really do not like Macron.
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Old 12-08-2018, 07:09 PM
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Here are their demands: https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-eu...eu-november-29
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