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Old 12-15-2014, 09:38 AM
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Two annoying traditions:

1) Old Horde heroes become raid bosses, even for Horde characters, so they can be defeated and forgotten.
2) Alliance and neutral characters work to help out the Horde, even if they should be really super pissed off at what the Horde has done to them in the past. This usually involves Thrall needing aid, because Thrall is Thrall.

When did this nonsense start? Well, apparently it would've started circa 1998.

Thrall agrees to assassinate Deathwing. This is in a pre-Knaak era, when Deathwing seems to be Alexstrasza's upstart son. It is also a time in lore when the Horde wasn't necessarily corrupted, just imprisoned... there are still pentagrammed Altars of Storms (made from desecrated elven ruins) and Temples of the Damned a few steps away from their base.

Alexstrasza agrees to help Thrall free the same Horde that, mere years ago, kept her as a mating slave so that her children could be sent to their deaths in battle.

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Old 12-15-2014, 09:48 AM
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That lenneth rekindles my urge to kill all blood elves...
Only the divine bubble butts holds the murder at bay.
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Old 12-15-2014, 09:52 AM
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That lenneth rekindles my urge to kill all blood elves...
Only the divine bubble butts holds the murder at bay.
Go play the undead campaign in WC3 then.
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Old 12-15-2014, 12:46 PM
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Old 12-15-2014, 02:40 PM
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I can understand the anger over the means by which they were kicked out of Dalaran but not being kicked out of Dalaran in itself.

Dalaran was always a human city and Blood Elves should have their own capital city dedicated to magical study.
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Old 12-15-2014, 03:09 PM
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Dalaran was always a human city and Blood Elves should have their own capital city dedicated to magical study.
They do. It's called Silvermoon. It's much older than Dalaran and should house just as many, if not more, potent magical artifacts.
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Go play the undead campaign in WC3 then.
I said blood elves, not high elves.
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Old 12-15-2014, 03:46 PM
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I said blood elves, not high elves.
Glowing eyes, right?
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Old 12-15-2014, 03:48 PM
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Glowing eyes, right?
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Old 12-15-2014, 04:08 PM
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Old 12-15-2014, 06:43 PM
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As opposed to the difference between the Cenarion Circle and the Darnassians?
Velen lead the Aldor, which if I remember correctly was basically the name of their religious organization.

Malfurion wasn't officially leader of the night elves, though well respected, and we've seen Cenarions - including Malfurion - who really wouldn't give a shit if Tyrande was killed.

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Khadgar is the only one actively reaching out. If you're going to argue that 'not willing to tolerate an individual visitor' is necessary to be a proper faction member, I'm pretty sure that both factions will be reduced to about ten guys each.
Hush Tyrande.

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I just don't get what the big deal is. Horde questing has always involved a lot more interaction with the other faction, both friendly and hostile. You're given quests by ghosts in Westfall, settlers in Dustwallow and archaeologists in Terrokar. If there's a job to be done, and a passing adventurer willing to help, you ain't gonna complain about his race.
This is especially true for the Kirin Tor, which employed tons upon tons of horde adventurers in WotLK and TBC, and fought alongside horde adventurers in Ulduar. There's a pretty good track record there.
Aren't most Alliance-interacting Horde quests in Dustwallow basically murdering Theramore's forces for doing their job, with the exception of the Shady Rest Inn storyline?

Beyond that, you're still getting to the point of having Alliance do Alliancey things in their quests, and having Horde do Horde and Alliancey things in their quests.

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As for Krelas; he's a BE. Chances are pretty dang good that he's got all his friends and family horde-side. Why wouldn't he want to hang around the garrison? It's not like there's anything you can let your followers do that's against the interests of the Kirin Tor.
He looks blue-eyed in the WoWhead screenshot.

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You know, I never actually did the quests where they clashed. What exactly was the beef between them?
The Explorer's Guild clashed with the Horde in the Barrens, and I think Thunderbluff as well, in vanilla.

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That still leaves the issue of 'sacred place, not for sucky-sucky mana'.
Again, just implications, nothing more.

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The Shendra'lar are my favourite example of the utter insanity of vanilla.
With no explanation, there was suddenly a group of highborne around on Kalimdor, abusing the hell out demon power for the past ten thousand years. And the night elves, which banned the other groups of highborne for wielding less dark magics than that, just didn't give a damn.
One second, the Shendra'lar were isolationist, murderous fanatics. The next second, they had access to tomes all over the world, had members in the Kirin Tor and knew where Ashbringer was hidden. They were the most revered arcanists of Azshara, and yet she never bothered to contact them. They were infused with fel magic for ten thousand years and partook in dark sacrificial rituals, but somehow are not corrupted in any way. They're villains whose plans for immortality we are trying to destroy, but players of both factions are entirely willing to work with them.
I'd love to see the design notes for these guys.
True enough, that is silly.

However, we don't really know how often night elves did things that far south in the continent.

And I highly doubt there's much in terms of design notes besides "night elves that still use arcane magic".

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Old 12-15-2014, 06:46 PM
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Old 12-15-2014, 06:48 PM
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:22 PM
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Dalaran purge was the orcs fault - Dave Kosak.. Jorin Deadeye started the whole thing because he didn't get acceptedto dalraan high school and then he went rage mode and killed a few mages and ordered the sunreavers around. to go kill the Night elves, because his father had always HATED the Botani. So why the hell not.

In the end it was the Orcs fault... Brown skinned. (also high elves = blood elves) same with mag'har and Fel'har or whatever. orcs orcs orcs orcs... You are only allowed to live if you are related to frostwolves, or have some form of weird blood or if u are a pc...

Who is Choluna and that other night elf chick? Kayuna Starbreeze? or whatever her name is :S.

Seriously.

And Lenneth? Honestly not suprised most of the blood elf posters and on the EU forums are recycled returds.... or recycled twice d/monkey poop. Also....
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:23 PM
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The Shendra'lar are my favourite example of the utter insanity of vanilla.
With no explanation, there was suddenly a group of highborne around on Kalimdor, abusing the hell out demon power for the past ten thousand years. And the night elves, which banned the other groups of highborne for wielding less dark magics than that, just didn't give a damn.
One second, the Shendra'lar were isolationist, murderous fanatics. The next second, they had access to tomes all over the world, had members in the Kirin Tor and knew where Ashbringer was hidden. They were the most revered arcanists of Azshara, and yet she never bothered to contact them. They were infused with fel magic for ten thousand years and partook in dark sacrificial rituals, but somehow are not corrupted in any way. They're villains whose plans for immortality we are trying to destroy, but players of both factions are entirely willing to work with them.
I'd love to see the design notes for these guys.
The night elves ignoring them is indeed bizarre (though entirely in keeping with their reduction from an entire faction to 1/4 of a faction coinciding with a spontaneous inability to police their own lands).

The rest on the other hand, fairly made sense to me. The evil Shen'dralar were the prince and his followers who had been affected by the demon's corruption, along the lines of how Azshara and her Highborne were mentally affected by contact with the Legion through the initial back-and-forth with Sargeras. The neutral, quest-giving Shen'dralar represented those now in the Alliance, who were still rational enough to not be preying on their brethren, but also kept their mouths shut to keep from being singled out for siphoning by the prince and his zealots.

Even in the old quests I kinda got a vibe that the friendly Shen'dralar NPC's spoke too well of their prince, the way one might humor a dangerous maniac in a position of power, slathering on the sycophancy and overplaying their respect toward him as if they expected him and his cadre of henchmen to snap again at any moment and randomly murder a bunch of them.
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:03 PM
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Who is Choluna and that other night elf chick? Kayuna Starbreeze? or whatever her name is :S.

Seriously.
Your porn habits, I know of them.

Thisalee Crow and Choluna appear in the Mount Hyjal zone added in Cataclysm.
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:13 PM
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Your porn habits, I know of them.

Thisalee Crow and Choluna appear in the Mount Hyjal zone added in Cataclysm.
And now we know of your porn habits.

But honestly, at least Blood Elves weren't told to sit under a tree and do nothing when they wanted their vengeance against an enemy that wronged them. Isle of Thunder was a good way to explore conflict between two opposing nations and I wish Blizzard did more of that before they pulled the plug on the faction war while so many loose ends still remain.
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Your porn habits, I know of them.

Thisalee Crow and Choluna appear in the Mount Hyjal zone added in Cataclysm.
I do admit I watch Hentai. But not futarani stuff... Not night elf stuff.. I know who the player is mostly because Argent drama stuff. My fetishes are more in the BDSM area... that's enough from me.

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Old 12-15-2014, 08:44 PM
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Velen lead the Aldor, which if I remember correctly was basically the name of their religious organization.
That is correct, though their leadership apparently split off after Velen took off in the exodar.

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Malfurion wasn't officially leader of the night elves, though well respected, and we've seen Cenarions - including Malfurion - who really wouldn't give a shit if Tyrande was killed.
Hush Tyrande.

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Aren't most Alliance-interacting Horde quests in Dustwallow basically murdering Theramore's forces for doing their job, with the exception of the Shady Rest Inn storyline?
Nope. There was a quest where you killed some spies, and one where the Theramore forces attacked you, but you also spend time helping out the house that's haunted by a demonic gargoyle, the old wizard lady, the insane eye-soup guy and of course the shady rest inn questline you mentioned.

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Beyond that, you're still getting to the point of having Alliance do Alliancey things in their quests, and having Horde do Horde and Alliancey things in their quests.
Well, yeah. Did you play vanilla, TBC and WotLK?

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He looks blue-eyed in the WoWhead screenshot.
I think that's beta. Wowpedia notes his eyecolour being changed before released.

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The Explorer's Guild clashed with the Horde in the Barrens, and I think Thunderbluff as well, in vanilla.
I meant the cata stuff, with the BE.

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Again, just implications, nothing more.
I remember something being in the encyclopedia, but like three-quarters of that thing was devoted to elves, so I can't find it.

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However, we don't really know how often night elves did things that far south in the continent.
They had a village and some bases in Tanaris, and their biggest outpost was in Feralas.

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And I highly doubt there's much in terms of design notes besides "night elves that still use arcane magic".
Even in 'nilla?

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The night elves ignoring them is indeed bizarre (though entirely in keeping with their reduction from an entire faction to 1/4 of a faction coinciding with a spontaneous inability to police their own lands).

The rest on the other hand, fairly made sense to me. The evil Shen'dralar were the prince and his followers who had been affected by the demon's corruption, along the lines of how Azshara and her Highborne were mentally affected by contact with the Legion through the initial back-and-forth with Sargeras.
That was just a few years at most of corruption though. The shendra'lar have had ten thousand years of exposure, and not a single physical aspect of them changed. Blood elves got green eyes in a matter of months with only some of them using fel magic. Orcs got nigh-universal green skin because there were warlocks walking among them. The highborne used far more fel energy for far longer, yet don't have any change about them whatsoever. When the blood elves did the exact same thing as the shendra'lar, they started turning into wretched and felblood.

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The neutral, quest-giving Shen'dralar represented those now in the Alliance, who were still rational enough to not be preying on their brethren, but also kept their mouths shut to keep from being singled out for siphoning by the prince and his zealots.
Eh, I guess that's possible.

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Even in the old quests I kinda got a vibe that the friendly Shen'dralar NPC's spoke too well of their prince, the way one might humor a dangerous maniac in a position of power, slathering on the sycophancy and overplaying their respect toward him as if they expected him and his cadre of henchmen to snap again at any moment and randomly murder a bunch of them.
Fair enough interpretation.
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:39 AM
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I do admit I watch Hentai. But not futarani stuff... Not night elf stuff.. I know who the player is mostly because Argent drama stuff. My fetishes are more in the BDSM area... that's enough from me.

Ah yeah thisalee Crow.
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You literally say too much.
50% of your posts regard your caucasophillic sodomy obession.
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:00 AM
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Why is this Faction Thread <4E09>*?

* The < > is in as little box a the end of Thread.
It is the kanji for the number three. Kanji are Chinese/Japanese characters, which is why it doesn't appear properly on your browser.

I believe there's some injoke about the Faction Thread names not having a proper numeral.
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