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Old 01-05-2013, 09:33 PM
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So, Terenas: Torturer?
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:35 PM
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A character being decent doesn't mean that he or she has no moral ambiguity.

A person being a sadist-rapist doesn't mean they don't have any redeemable qualities.

The world isn't black and white. People are complex.

Terenas having a torture chamber certainly isn't out of character, not unless there's been something to suggest that he actually had something against torture.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:36 PM
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What was wrong with the old thread?
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:37 PM
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:39 PM
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Difference between moral ambiguity and being an ass. Want some ambiguity? Make the guy a drinker or gambler. Make him a cheater. Torture chambers just make him sparing the orcs and breaking up the alliance look even more ridiculous.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:40 PM
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I think the old thread hit its limit.

Anywho, Terenas. There's really no question, the quest makes it pretty clear. There was a man who worked in torture chambers during Terenas's time as king. He tells you as much at Venomspite.

It just seems so... weird.
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It's one thing to have problems and voice your concerns, but when you endlessly bitch day in and day out about the same tired old shit, it honestly makes me wonder why you are even here. Generally when somebody doesn't like something, they stop caring about it.

And on that note, SoL is a forum I no longer enjoy. So, I'm done here. And I genuinely think the people who have absolutely nothing at all positive to say about the game and, the people whose posts are composed entirely of whining, really consider leaving (or at least sticking to non-WoW sections). Because if you truly get no enjoyment out of WoW, then why are you here?

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Can we at least keep it stickied for old times sake?
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These threads have limit? Was hoping for over 9000 pages

What quest?

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What quest?
http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:The_Rod_of_Compulsion
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You know, when I put the "i hate all of you" tag in threads, I'm not trying to be funny or cute. With a handful of exceptions, I really do hate almost everybody here.

It's one thing to have problems and voice your concerns, but when you endlessly bitch day in and day out about the same tired old shit, it honestly makes me wonder why you are even here. Generally when somebody doesn't like something, they stop caring about it.

And on that note, SoL is a forum I no longer enjoy. So, I'm done here. And I genuinely think the people who have absolutely nothing at all positive to say about the game and, the people whose posts are composed entirely of whining, really consider leaving (or at least sticking to non-WoW sections). Because if you truly get no enjoyment out of WoW, then why are you here?

With that said, goodbye.
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These threads have limit? Was hoping for over 9000 pages

What quest?
The bitching was just becoming too much for that thread so it had to be put out of its misery.
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Difference between moral ambiguity and being an ass. Want some ambiguity? Make the guy a drinker or gambler. Make him a cheater. Torture chambers just make him sparing the orcs and breaking up the alliance look even more ridiculous.
There is a massive difference between torture and genocide.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:58 PM
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I think what disturbs me more than Terenas using torture chambers is the actual item here.

The rod of compulsion, you use it to make the Scarlets in the next quest say what you want them to say. You use it on them and they start crying foul about the Scarlets, saying they should befriend the Forsaken, and calling Abbendis a harlot.

Thing is, the quest giver said he used one of those same rods. Why would Terenas have what is almost a mind-control device?
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And on that note, SoL is a forum I no longer enjoy. So, I'm done here. And I genuinely think the people who have absolutely nothing at all positive to say about the game and, the people whose posts are composed entirely of whining, really consider leaving (or at least sticking to non-WoW sections). Because if you truly get no enjoyment out of WoW, then why are you here?

With that said, goodbye.
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Well, it certainly adds a new dimension to the character.

Of course, what we don't know is how often it was used. Enough that it was recognized obviously.
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A character being decent doesn't mean that he or she has no moral ambiguity.

A person being a sadist-rapist doesn't mean they don't have any redeemable qualities.

The world isn't black and white. People are complex.

Terenas having a torture chamber certainly isn't out of character, not unless there's been something to suggest that he actually had something against torture.
No argument here.
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What the fuck did you assholes do to my thread?
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Thing is, the quest giver said he used one of those same rods. Why would Terenas have what is almost a mind-control device?
Seems like it'd be pretty useful. Wonder who made it.
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There is a massive difference between torture and genocide.
Were they going to kill the kids? Were there any kids besides magically aged super soldiers? They were an ailen army. Keeping them alive to learn about potential reinforcements would've been smart. The argument to spare them however was about morality. As we've seen from the silver hand and argents, being torturing holy men like the scarlets isn't the norm.

Complexity and flaws are fine. Even if you don't agree with them. Flaws that move the plot are fine.

Being the polar opposite of what you appear to be and preach in order to be edgy and support the idea that people can't be good or evil just because is not fine.

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Were they going to kill the kids? Were there any kids besides magically aged super soldiers? They were an ailen army. Keeping them alive to learn about potential reinforcements would've been smart. The argument to spare them however was about morality. As we've seen from the silver hand and argents, being torturing holy men like the scarlets isn't the norm.
Terenas was a king, not a holy man, even if he was a religious one.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:18 PM
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I think what disturbs me more than Terenas using torture chambers is the actual item here.

The rod of compulsion, you use it to make the Scarlets in the next quest say what you want them to say. You use it on them and they start crying foul about the Scarlets, saying they should befriend the Forsaken, and calling Abbendis a harlot.

Thing is, the quest giver said he used one of those same rods. Why would Terenas have what is almost a mind-control device?
Apparently, he didn't know any trustworthy shadow priests who could do that kind of interrogation for him.
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Terenas was a king, not a holy man, even if he was a religious one.
The man was a priest who spared the orcs out of morality. Not to torture or to interrogate. If that's how he was this whole time then fine. If that was the case then that also makes Uther freaking out about Stratholme seem silly if everyone was that edgy.
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Apparently, he didn't know any trustworthy shadow priests who could do that kind of interrogation for him.
I don't shadow priests really took off until after the Second War when that woman started talking about the Shadow-as-Light-and-Void (as opposed to Shadow-as-Void). But yeah.
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The man was a priest who spared the orcs out of morality. Not to torture or to interrogate. If that's how he was this whole time then fine.
Terenas wasn't a priest.

Being okay with torture and being against killing all the orcs are hardly competing opinions for Terenas to hold.
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Terenas wasn't a priest.

Being okay with torture and being against killing all the orcs are hardly competing opinions for Terenas to hold.
Apparently Terenas was a paladin before paladins were invented, though.
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