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Old 12-14-2018, 04:10 AM
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Oh boy. Incursions with war mode on are SO MUCH FUN. Makes me really love this expac,

War Mode really brings the war to Warcraft during Faction Assaults. Raid-size groups killing each other in the doorsteps of the inquisitors place is the kind of thing I always wanted to see in-game.

It also makes the game finally feel dangerous.
I just had a ton of fun doing Assaults with warmode on. There was a real battle field in Drustvar, huge numbers on both sides. Alliance would advance and take over the questing areas, then Horde would advance and take the quest areas back. Doing the quest amid the conflict was really fun and engaging.

After finishing it with my Alliance toon, I logged on my Horde toon to do it as well. However, Horde-side, I ended up in a shard without any Alliance and just Horde everywhere. Couldn't find a single Alliance player while doing all five assault quests.

Seems like Horde still outnumbers Alliance heavily, as there are Horde shards with little to none enemy players.

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That sounds absolutely terrible.

It's like they heard everyone saying "hey this is kind of fucked up" about the Lightforged's Portrayal in the Mag'har Scenario and decided to ignore any of player's concerns and just keep slamming the pedal on "Draenei are the Inquisition,actually."

Whoever the Warhammer fetishist is at Blizzard needs to be fucking stopped.
IMO, it felt almost an epic display of the Lightforged's power. They were not being evil fanatics, they were being a scaringly efficient fighting force, and that's awesome. They should feel like an elite force after 10,000 years of war against the Legion, and that quest almost delivered it, if not for the cheesy Voodoo Ex Machina to make you more powerful than an entire elite force.
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Old 12-14-2018, 07:20 AM
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Osrs > bfa.

https://oldschool.runescape.com/premier-club

12 months sub
cheaper, basically weekly/monthly updates.

Meanwhile wow has 6 month subs and you get 1 maybe 2 patches in that time

aka you get 2 hours of content for 50 euro.

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Old 12-14-2018, 07:22 AM
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I'm 3/8 Mythic and 1800 in Rated 2v2. I've tested all DPS specs during late beta and only a few of them were boring to me.

Enhancement, one of the most complained about, felt really fun to play with.

I main Frost DK and Fury Warrior and am having a blast.

Fun and enjoyment is subjective, as you just said in the beginning of the quote.

EDIT: take a look at WoW Insider and The Last Codex Discord, for instance. There are a lot of people in those places who are mostly excited for new Warfronts. They also don't seem to see that much of an issue with class design that the horrid bunch of entitled redditors/mmochampion users/official forum posters do.
Yeah fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own thoughts, though I'm not really sure why you're throwing your raid experience or arena ranking at me? Core community does not mean have to mean ultra hardcore, it only has to mean dedicated and its pretty hard to argue that the places i visit don't primarily comprise those people and in the largest numbers.
That being said, I'll also grant that i shouldn't make sweeping statements about the whole community so point to you. Buuuut you also just painted said people not agreeing with you as "entitled" so its a fault we share at least. :p

I also can't speak much for discord communities, i've never gotten involved with them as i hate interacting with random people in real-time, it draws shitheads like a moth to a flame. Forums tend to discourage most of the ones with shorter attention spans. Also harder to police.

Back on topic though: I, personally, loathe the current direction for class design. I don't play an mmo for simplicity and i feel all my utility has been ripped away from me and the only thing im left with is my bog standard builder and spender rotation. Back when i started playing rotations were dogshit but everything else was so, so much better. As an anecdotal example, to the best of my memory i had the following (Caster based) heals as a Feral Tank in TBC ( and remember folks, Feral was Cat + Bear back then so take that context into account):

Rejuvenation, Regrowth, Lifebloom, Healing Touch, Tranquility.
Now I didnt need all of them but I did use them all occasionally. I could have been ok with losing Lifebloom and probably regrowth. That would have still left me feeling like I actually still was a hybrid while specialising some more. Then Blizzard decided that was too challenging and decided to carefully sculpt that wonderful PR doublespeak phrase "pruning". You know how many i have now?

Regrowth.

Yeah, im only allowed one now and thats fucking dumb. I remember saving a raid with tranq more than once, it wasnt much of a heal from me all things considered but it made up the difference on a tough fight. Why does choosing a Tank mean im literally not allowed to even HAVE heals anymore? At least as far as Pve goes (and let be fair, thats all most of the player base cares for) If you didn't want to use them you had the option to take them off your bar as it was never required for your role but if you wanted to master your class you had that option. Now everything just gets dumbed down further and further and i'm forced to switch specs just to change roles. Hybrid barely makes sense as a term anymore.

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I have also noticed that even a lot of the usual "White Knight" WoW streamers and vloggers are becoming more openly hostile to the game as it stands in BFA.
This too and considering its their livelihood, you'd have to guess something changed in their viewerbase for them to be toying with biting the hand thatf feeding them.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:20 AM
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you know now that Heroes of the storm has been officially KIA and abandoned (Unfortunately) WoW could be next or starcraft 2 or p2wstone
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:23 AM
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Rejuvenation, Regrowth, Lifebloom, Healing Touch, Tranquility.
PvP is already a nightmare when fighting hybrids and would be even worse if they had access to a full kit like that.
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Old 12-14-2018, 11:24 AM
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PvP is already a nightmare when fighting hybrids and would be even worse if they had access to a full kit like that.
Definitely not if they were balanced like TBC. Lifebloom cost like a 1/4 of my mana bar to cast and healed for sweet fuck all. It was literally only the right move if you needed any heal you could get and were never going to get Healing Touch off. Also factor in that shifting cost a fuck tonne of mana too back then so using your inefficient heals often left you locked in caster, ie straight up roadkill.

But i digress, i dont want all 5 back, that would be overkill. I'd actually be much happier with these 3.
Rejuvenation, Healing Touch,Tranquility/Swiftmend

Rejuvenation: A quick heal to cast if im on the move, need a quick top up or to throw some utility around to help the healer in a pug.
Healing Touch: The bread and butter. Max out the health bar before we move onto the next mob for the wq. Maybe save that dumbass who stood in the fire once in a blue moon if i get an opening.
Swiftmend: This isnt a particularly exciting spell as a healer but Restoration Affinity gave me a real appreciation of it as a dps and/or tank. It lets you save yourself or another person in a bad situation without much risk to yourself or being too potent (idiots/bad healers still die after it often). A surgical tool to give someone a second chance and a lot of fun. I'd take tranq if you pushed me but its much more of an edge case and thus much more arguable that it belongs where it is as a highlight button for Resto.

Tldr: I want a hot, a bread and butter heal and a surgical tool for emergencies.

I really just cannot get over how dumb it is that what was arguably the most defining original attribute of what was supposed to be Wows most hybrid class, their hots, now is locked to only the healing spec...
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Old 12-14-2018, 12:39 PM
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Gurzog has been given a two week vacation to calm down.

Everybody else, I implore you to keep things civil.
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Old 12-14-2018, 03:54 PM
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Definitely not if they were balanced like TBC. Lifebloom cost like a 1/4 of my mana bar to cast and healed for sweet fuck all. It was literally only the right move if you needed any heal you could get and were never going to get Healing Touch off. Also factor in that shifting cost a fuck tonne of mana too back then so using your inefficient heals often left you locked in caster, ie straight up roadkill.

But i digress, i dont want all 5 back, that would be overkill. I'd actually be much happier with these 3.
Rejuvenation, Healing Touch,Tranquility/Swiftmend
That's never balanced and it only makes games even longer when you fight hybrid classes.

Keep that stuff out of my PvP.

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In Rise of Azshara Azerite Armor will come out fully unlocked and Artifact Power will work towards new features in the Heart of Azeroth

Ion specifically said we won't need to work for unlocking armor traits anymore in Rise of Azshara.

In the Dazar'Alor Faction Assault Void Elves get the spotlight



Dungeons just got nerfed

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Old 12-15-2018, 10:09 AM
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With all due respect Marthen, do you monitor any of the websites other than Scrolls? Because the air is definitely different this time around.
I did, until the recent levels of negativity made me stop (as of now, the only place I very occassionaly visit is Scrolls, and not for World of Warcraft threads). And it was in particular this negativity I have been adressing the post you quoted.

To be fair however, it is just not Blizzard. I've been lately leaving most social sites I was a part of for a long time because the sort of atmosphere that now pervades the internet just does not cut it for me.

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And that should worry you.
I am not particularly sure why I should. It's just games after all. If Blizzard keeps making things I enjoy, I'll continue enjoying them, if not, well, there's a myriad of games and other things to do around. And since I do not own any of their stock, the actual fate of the company does not concern me either.


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Krainz, you and I are never going to agree on story complaints to say the least. I think Tel'drassil is the worst writing Blizzard has written into the modern game and your signature is your signature so let's not do that.
See, this right here is an example of something absolutely incomprehensible to me. When we have The Burning Crusade with all its developments that completely ruined Warcraft as even a semi-serious settings and all its novels completely destroying older lore to the point that we had to wait a decade for Chronicle to at least half-way fix them (as nothing could have fixed them completely short of a reboot), Wrath with a plot so retarted and developments as much damaging to the setting, and so on, calling Teldrassil "the worst" is feels nothing but a gross overstatement aimed at nothing but rage fueling.
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Old 12-15-2018, 01:13 PM
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Considering that Sa'danak said "into the modern game", I would assume that he meant post BC, Wrath and probably also Cata, at the least.

For the exact definition, you will obviously have to ask him.
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Old 12-15-2018, 03:33 PM
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Old 12-17-2018, 02:20 PM
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I did, until the recent levels of negativity made me stop (as of now, the only place I very occassionaly visit is Scrolls, and not for World of Warcraft threads). And it was in particular this negativity I have been adressing the post you quoted.
That is fair, I admit I do the same when the majority doesnt line up with my own opinion. It isn't a fun atmosphere and debating against the tide is usually a pointless and unsatisfying endeavor.
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To be fair however, it is just not Blizzard. I've been lately leaving most social sites I was a part of for a long time because the sort of atmosphere that now pervades the internet just does not cut it for me.
Also fair. The net is not what it once was.

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I am not particularly sure why I should. It's just games after all. If Blizzard keeps making things I enjoy, I'll continue enjoying them, if not, well, there's a myriad of games and other things to do around. And since I do not own any of their stock, the actual fate of the company does not concern me either.
That's your choice but i'll admit i'm surprised you don't seem saddened by the idea of Blizzard cratering. I figured you were one of us more enfranchised ones?

I may hate the games current direction but seeing it go away would still make me sad in the same way losing anything that has been such a large part of my life would. I'd much rather this stuff be recognised by the community so Blizzard can course correct enough to get another Legion next time around and (even more desperately hopefully) break the current "Good-Bad-Good" expansion cycle.

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See, this right here is an example of something absolutely incomprehensible to me. When we have The Burning Crusade with all its developments that completely ruined Warcraft as even a semi-serious settings and all its novels completely destroying older lore to the point that we had to wait a decade for Chronicle to at least half-way fix them (as nothing could have fixed them completely short of a reboot), Wrath with a plot so retarted and developments as much damaging to the setting, and so on, calling Teldrassil "the worst" is feels nothing but a gross overstatement aimed at nothing but rage fueling.
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Considering that Sa'danak said "into the modern game", I would assume that he meant post BC, Wrath and probably also Cata, at the least.

For the exact definition, you will obviously have to ask him.
Nasja is kindoff on the right track. I was talking about Post-Cata maybe Mop timeframe (when many would argue the game felt it started transitioning from its older design philosophies) but I do genuinely believe Tel'drassil is the worst writing in WoWs (specifically the MMO, i know the novels bar does drop far lower) history.

Note, i am specifically making that statement for it as a singular event. TBC and Wrath was an absolute disaster and is a lot worse when taken as a whole but i firmly believe no singular occurance to be of worse calibur than Tel'drassil. TBC ruined god knows how many characters stories and Wrath had a very poorly placed tournament and featured Arthas the scooby doo villain.

All in all there have been many, many cases of horrendous writing at the collective expansion level but individually they just cannot compare to:

- The entire idea behind the attack makes no sense. Its supposedly a pre-emptive strike to stop the Alliance, under Andruin, the boy known for his inability to react in a non-passive manner, funneling Azerite from Silithus to Stromwind through Darnassus a city that is nowhere near the distribution route, all for a war no-one should have any ability to wage after "the biggest Legion invasion ever" by taking the entire tree hostage? Where do I even begin?


- The idea that the Horde can run an offensive straight through Ashenvale and Darkshore into the heart of Night Elven territory, territory that is very notably convoluted and highly inhospitable to an army, so quickly that the Alliance could not have any response is a hell of a stretch. And even if it werent the pretending it was all riding on "the boats were too slow" is insulting. We have seen many, many occasions of portals used in these scenarios to dispense troops in far more hostile situations.
Furthermore this isnt even including the fact the Night Elves are supposedly masters of the terrain and are supposed to be aided by the Ancients (before they just decided not to care?) among countless other natural allies.

- The Catapults hitting Tel'drassil were firing from Darkshore. To my knowledge theres been one single act of more blatant nonsense for gamescale and that was Med'an riding a bat across the sea between the major continents. This is patently ridiculous.

Theres also an argument to be made the a living tree that large would never ignite from so small a number of relately small arms fire so quickly but i digress.

- Completely and totally botching all 4 major characters in the final act. Malfurion, arguably the lores strongest (player friendly) character is suddenly felled by complete nonsense. Saurfang has a mental breakdown over harming the most legitimate actual military target. Sylvanas struts off like a Bond villain, leaving a crucial act to someone she KNOWS doesnt agree with her and undermines her (and later keeps him in said position even after this fuckup) and Tyrande shows up to whine and run away, leaving her prople to burn.

- The rabid part of the Horde just got a thorough purging just a few years ago yet apparently a significantly lessened presence is enough to stop there being any societal complaints about outright genocide.... In what world should Saurfang be the pariah here? Sylvanas should have been hanged or at least drowned in Mak'goras. In what world can the Horde be this corrupt when we were told it was a minority that rose with Garrosh and that said minority mostly died or at the very least deserted with him (and is no longer welcome in the Horde)?
And thats just the Orcs. Nevermind the Tauren, Trolls and the notable small groups like the druids.
Where is the discontent?


All in all, if there's an event that fucked up more i would love to hear it though i imagine my sanity would not.
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Old 12-17-2018, 03:04 PM
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The rabid part of the Horde just got a thorough purging just a few years ago yet apparently a significantly lessened presence is enough to stop there being any societal complaints about outright genocide.... In what world should Saurfang be the pariah here? Sylvanas should have been hanged or at least drowned in Mak'goras. In what world can the Horde be this corrupt when we were told it was a minority that rose with Garrosh and that said minority mostly died or at the very least deserted with him (and is no longer welcome in the Horde)?
And thats just the Orcs. Nevermind the Tauren, Trolls and the notable small groups like the druids.
Where is the discontent?
The Horde only acted against Garrosh because he kicked the Trolls and Tauren out of the city they built.

If it wasn't for that, no one would've stood up to him.
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I just did the night warrior questline... and i dont know.
I dont know why, but every time Tyrande is pushed as a badass leader... it doesnt convince me. Jaina does. Sylvanas does, despite being a bitch. Liadrin does. Yrel did. Even Princess Anduin did. But not Tyrande. I dont know why =/
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I just did the night warrior questline... and i dont know.
I dont know why, but every time Tyrande is pushed as a badass leader... it doesnt convince me. Jaina does. Sylvanas does, despite being a bitch. Liadrin does. Yrel did. Even Princess Anduin did. But not Tyrande. I dont know why =/
Maybe it's because it had no lasting consequences. Tyrande gets an upgrade, mildly inconveniences the Horde and then leaves to do who knows what.
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I just did the night warrior questline... and i dont know.
I dont know why, but every time Tyrande is pushed as a badass leader... it doesnt convince me. Jaina does. Sylvanas does, despite being a bitch. Liadrin does. Yrel did. Even Princess Anduin did. But not Tyrande. I dont know why =/
Because Tyrande isn't a character. She's a plot device, love interest, and power level.
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