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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ad/1068562001/

Jesus fucking christ how is this real? How is this a man who has any shot at becoming an elected official and governing?
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The president has blown another deadline on imposing new sanctions against Russia. Congress passed a bill with a veto-proof majority (419-3, 98-2) and the president is not enforcing it despite having signed it into law. When will they hold him accountable? Are they just going to let him do whatever he wants like a dictator? Does this count as a Constitutional Crisis yet?
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So Trump has just said the USA is doing great under him.

Is what he said true?
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Old 01-31-2018, 06:58 AM
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The president has asked Congress to give all of his cabinet members the power to fire any federal employee that does something he doesn't like (like pesky federal investigators).
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...=recirc_recent
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:12 AM
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So Trump has just said the USA is doing great under him.

Is what he said true?
In terms of overall economic activity it seems that way. But the economic rally I'm talking about was mostly driven by expectations, and that becomes obvious when you consider that it kicked off almost immediately after his election.

There's a fair bit of logic behind this, Republicans typically deregulate, and the Obama administration created a lot of regulation that didn't make a whole lot of sense. But did Trump axe the right ones and only the right ones? Don't know yet. Similarly, we won't see the effects of tax reform at least until we're into the 2019 filing season, although I think for the economy in the short/medium term, they will be very positive.

The elephant in the room is the debt, which the elephants in the room suddenly don't care about. If Trump's actions generate enough economic activity to curb the deficit, then we're fine, but the cavalier attitude of ignoring it doesn't say good things.
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:26 AM
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So Trump has just said the USA is doing great besides him.
Fixed.

Also it's no surprise, that the GOP is currently hush, since as long as their donors are happy, everything is shiny.

But back to the economy:

Well, some stock market experts are already a bit nervous and say things look like 2006 again.
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Fixed.

Also it's no surprise, that the GOP is currently hush, since as long as their donors are happy, everything is shiny.

But back to the economy:

Well, some stock market experts are already a bit nervous and say things look like 2006 again.
I'd love to see which ones and what leads them to that conclusion, as I can only speculate about what they mean. Bitcoin perhaps? I could see that if there are a lot of institutional dollars tied up in it and derivative contracts, but I'm also not seeing the scale of the housing bubble in this.
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Old 01-31-2018, 08:22 AM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ould-scare-us/

Could still be a simple correction.

@Housing: Not in the U.S., but afaik China has a big problem here.
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Old 01-31-2018, 08:22 AM
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We have an economics thread, you know.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:14 AM
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We have an economics thread, you know.
Given that it's a direct response to a question especially, I don't think you can so neatly disentangle economics from politics. I'll keep on point, but it relates directly to the subject matter.

@Vineyard

It looked like the author, not the quoted experts, made the claim about this looking like 2006, which doesn't surprise me. I don't think most people to this day understand the scale of what they're talking about with 2008, and the specific risks that led us there. That for years to come I think will lead to comparisons to 2008 when journalists are really just talking about current risks.

China could be heading for something like that, but not for reasons relevant to the question I was answering. I can kind of see the point on the federal reserve, but again, I'm not sure that I agree that current investment bubbles carry the same level of systemic risk as mortgage backed CDOs did in '08.
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White has been re-nominated to direct the White House Council on Environmental Quality. She believes that climate change is a conspiracy to "decarbonize human societies." Yes, the same one that doesn't know about the expansion of water as it warms (once it gets above like 4C ofc).
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kathle...s-good-for-you

[edit] The CDC director has resigned after it was discovered that she has been trading tobacco stocks. The most shocking thing here being that she actually resigned instead of just denying it and waiting for people to forget.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...tobacco-stocks

[edit 2] "The memo" has been released. There is nothing of note in it (unless you count things like it being confirmed that the investigation started before the Steele dossier, but everyone knew that already despite righties denying it). Surprise!
John McCain has released a statement:
“In 2016, the Russian government engaged in an elaborate plot to interfere in an American election and undermine our democracy. Russia employed the same tactics it has used to influence elections around the world, from France and Germany to Ukraine, Montenegro, and beyond. Putin’s regime launched cyberattacks and spread disinformation with the goal of sowing chaos and weakening faith in our institutions. And while we have no evidence that these efforts affected the outcome of our election, I fear they succeeded in fueling political discord and dividing us from one another.
“The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party’s, no president’s, only Putin’s. The American people deserve to know all of the facts surrounding Russia’s ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”
https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public...E-594EDBE182C1
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The RNC has been smacked down in their gerrymandering efforts again. This time in PA.
https://apnews.com/acf477136d9145f48...&utm_medium=AP
I hope there's a chance all these states that are about to redraw their gerrymandered districts (what are we up to now, 6?) can do so before the 2018 elections, but I doubt that's likely. There are still many that need to be fixed, too.

[edit] A top WH aide has resigned following allegations that he beat his ex-wife.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-marriage.html

[edit2] The president refuses to allow a memo regarding the Russia-Lago scandal just like Nutless Nunes' (except this one was okayed by the DoJ) to be released.
https://apnews.com/53138ee8ef35479cb92f9350a4e474cb
Where are the #ReleaseTheMemo people now?
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Old 02-12-2018, 05:22 AM
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The RNC has been smacked down in their gerrymandering efforts again. This time in PA.
https://apnews.com/acf477136d9145f48...&utm_medium=AP
I hope there's a chance all these states that are about to redraw their gerrymandered districts (what are we up to now, 6?) can do so before the 2018 elections, but I doubt that's likely. There are still many that need to be fixed, too.
Well.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-the-old-one/
Pennsylvania Republicans have drawn a new congressional map that is just as gerrymandered as the old one
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So... Trump is pretty blatantly interfering in the FBI's investigation isn't he?
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Another massive shooting, man.
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Another massive shooting, man.
Looks like he was a dumb kid that got bullied and, since we encourage bullying in this country, he fell in with the MAGA crowd and may have ended up joining a white nationalist militia called "Republic of Florida," most likely so he could feel like he belonged somewhere. Then he snapped.

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Thirteen Russians have been charged in the Mueller investigation.
https://apnews.com/amp/d7eeadacc3e442ebbe23916a053856fa
The indictments show some interesting things...

"Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton. Defendants made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities. Defendants also staged political rallies inside the United States, and while posing as U.S. grassroots entities and U.S. persons, and without revealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation, solicited and compensated real U.S. persons to promote or disparage candidates. Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.

In order to carry out their activities to interfere in U.S. political and electoral processes without detection of their Russian affiliation, Defendants conspired to obstruct the lawful functions of the United States government through fraud and deceit, including by making expenditures in connection with the 2016 U.S. presidential election without proper regulatory disclosure; failing to register as foreign agents carrying out political activities within the United States; and obtaining visas through false and fraudulent statements.
Defendants and their co-conspirators used their fictitious online personas to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.
On or about February 10, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators internally circulated an outline of themes for future content to be posted to ORGANIZATION-controlled social media accounts. Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on "politics in the USA" and to "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump--we support them)."

From at least April 2016 through November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, while concealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation through false personas, began to produce, purchase, and post advertisements on U.S. social media and other online sites expressly advocating for the election of then-candidate Trump or expressly opposing Clinton. Defendants and their co-conspirators did not report their expenditures to the Federal Election Commission, or register as foreign agents with the U.S. Department of Justice. The political advertisements included the following:
April 6, 2016 "You know, a great number of black people support us saying that #HillaryClintonlsNotMyPresident"
April 7, 2016 "I say no to Hillary Clinton / I say no to manipulation"
April 19, 2016 "JOIN our #HillaryClintonForPrison2016"
May 10, 2016 "Donald wants to defeat terrorism ... Hillary wants to sponsor it"
May 19, 2016 "Vote Republican, vote Trump, and support the Second Amendment!"
May 24, 2016 "Hillary Clinton Doesn't Deserve the Black Vote"
June 7, 2016 "Trump is our only hope for a better future!"
June 30, 2016 "#Never Hillary #Hillary F orPrison #Hillary4 Prison #HillaryForPrison2016 #Trump2016 #Trump #Trump4President"
July 20, 2016 "Ohio Wants Hillary 4 Prison"
August 4, 2016 "Hillary Clinton has already committed voter fraud during the Democrat Iowa Caucus."
August 10, 2016 "We cannot trust Hillary to take care of our veterans!"
October 14, 2016 "Among all the candidates Donald Trump is the one and only who can defend the police from terrorists."
October 19, 2016 "Hillary is a Satan, and her crimes and lies had proved just how evil she is."

To pay for the political advertisements, Defendants and their co-conspirators established various Russian bank accounts and credit cards, often registered in the names of fictitious U.S. personas created and used by the ORGANIZATION on social media. Defendants and their coconspirators also paid for other political advertisements using PayPal accounts.
Beginning in at least 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used, without lawful authority, the social security numbers, home addresses, and birth dates ofreal U.S. persons without their knowledge or consent. Using these means of stolen identification, Defendants and their coconspirators opened accounts at a federally insured U.S. financial institution ("Bank I")
Defendants and their co-conspirators purchased credit card and bank account numbers from online sellers for the unlawful purpose of evading security measures at PayPal, which used account numbers to verify a user's identity. Many of the bank account numbers purchased by Defendants and their co-conspirators were created using the stolen identities of real U.S. persons. After purchasing the accounts, Defendants and their co-conspirators submitted these bank account numbers to PayPal.
On or about August 18, 2016, the real "Florida for Trump" Facebook account responded to the false U.S. persona "Matt Skiber" account with instructions to contact a member of the Trump Campaign ("Campaign Official l ") involved in the campaign's Florida operations and provided Campaign Official 1's email address at the campaign domain donaldtrump.com.On approximately the same day, Defendants and their co-conspirators used the email address of a false U.S. persona, joshmilton024@gmail.com, to send an email to Campaign Official 1 at that donaldtrump.com email account, which read in part:

"Hello [Campaign Official l], [w]e are organizing a state-wide event in Florida on August, 20 to support Mr. Trump. Let us introduce ourselves first. "Being Patriotic" is a grassroots conservative online movement trying to unite people offline. . . . [W]e gained a huge lot of followers and decided to somehow help Mr. Trump get elected. You know, simple yelling on the Internet is not enough. There should be real action. We organized rallies in New York before. Now we're focusing on purple states such as Florida." The email also identified thirteen "confirmed locations" in Florida for the rallies and requested the campaign provide "assistance in each location."
On or about August 24, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators updated an internal ORGANIZATION list of over 100 real U.S. persons contacted through ORGANIZATIONcontrolled false U.S. persona accounts and tracked to monitor recruitment efforts and requests. The list included contact information for the U.S. persons, a summary of their political views, and activities they had been asked to perform by Defendants and their co-conspirators."

[edit2] Gates has plead guilty and will testify.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...218-story.html
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I understand that net neutrality has been placed on death row.
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Sadly yes, in direct opposition to the will of the majority of citizens
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The United States is a representational plutocracy.
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The new memo has been released.
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/24/58856...addresses-cpac

"Cliff Notes:
Steele Dossier played NO role in opening the Carter Page investigation. They began their investigation prior to even receiving it.
The DOJ did in fact inform the court of the origin of the Steele Dossier.
They accuse Nunes of deliberately misrepresenting the underlying FISA Warrant intelligence.
Four different judge's approved FISA warrants including judge's appointed by Bush and Reagan. Multiple DOJ officials also approved the applications prior to the court even seeing them including Trump appointees Rosenstein and Boente.
They actually started listening to Page after he left Trump campaign so the idea they were watching him to spy on Trump is absurd.
Page has a long history with Russia going back to 2004 and was being actively investigated once before already in 2013. The FBI had even interviewed him in 2016 again prior to receiving the Steele Dossier. The Steele dossier was referenced in the application as corroboration of certain things, and not to independently demonstrate.
A bunch of blacked out additional evidence with a bit in the middle noting Page lied to the HIC in his testimony in 2017 about meeting with Russian officials.
It included the footnote that discusses the Steele dossier source which SPECIFICALLY STATES ..."The FBI speculates the the unidentified U.S. Person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1's campaign." Candidate 1 is Trump I believe, edit I previously thought Person 1 was Steele, this is the person coordinating with Steele. Steele is Source #1.
DOJ timely informed the court when the FBI fired Steele and why.
The attacks on Bruce Ohr for knowing Steele/and his wife working for Fusion GPS are 100% baseless. He was not involved in the FISA process and disclosed his relationships in November 2016."
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After you're finished punching things think about this.
Why would Trump say that ? Because he wants to believe it. He does not lie, because in his mind there is no difference between reality and what he wants reality to be.
And that makes him very dangerous.
He is not so far gone that he is unfit and should be removed, but delusional enough to take some very bad decision.
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After you're finished punching things think about this.
Why would Trump say that ? Because he wants to believe it. He does not lie, because in his mind there is no difference between reality and what he wants reality to be.
And that makes him very dangerous.
He is not so far gone that he is unfit and should be removed, but delusional enough to take some very bad decision.
It would be more believable if he had actually been in combat.
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Looks like the Dems have decided they don't want to win midterms this year after all.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/37...lt-weapons-ban
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What's this I hear about a trade war?
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