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Old 02-12-2018, 07:01 AM
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Jaina is as strong as the plot demands her to be. Sometimes apparently strong enough to solo the Horde infiltration team (Nathanos, Rokhan, Thalyssra, Zul and Talanji), and sometimes weak enough to be exiled and imprisoned by regular humans.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:20 AM
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Jaina is as strong as the plot demands her to be. Sometimes apparently strong enough to solo the Horde infiltration team (Nathanos, Rokhan, Thalyssra, Zul and Talanji), and sometimes weak enough to be exiled and imprisoned by regular humans.
It's the same as a superhero going along with an arrest by ordinary policemen when they are accused of something: they go along with it because they know SPLATTing cops on walls isn't going to help their situation. I would assume prisons for magical beings have anti-magic stuff; i'm sure Dalaran hands that out to every trusted jail on Azeroth. Getting a mage INSIDE such a cell is the hard part, and if the mage in question is biding his or her time by doing as they're told, that hard part becomes easy. Jaina wants the Kul'Tirans to listen to her. She's not going to achieve that by killing them left and right.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:43 AM
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So the Gorgrond map all but confirms AU orcs as an Allied Race, right? If that's the case, one's gotta wonder - why not go with some of the cooler and easier to pull options like Dragonmaw or MU mag'har instead of more time-travel shenanigans? Seriously, no one asked for this!
I don't mind AU Orcs. I like them more than the MU.

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How does one even exile someone as powerful as Jaina to a specific zone and make it stick?
Assume she'll respect it?
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:18 AM
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Jaina's mission is to be diplomatic to Kul Tiras so they rejoin the Alliance. Fighting their soldiers isn't going to help that. Plus, it's presumably her mom doing it and I doubt she'd want to fight her especially after the Daelin incident.
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:23 AM
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He's in Katherine's army and he's loyal to Jaina, seems straightforward.
You missed the point.

If being a loyalist means defying Katherine in favour of Jaina, it means that Jaina, and not her mother, is meant to be the ruler of house Proudmoore.

(Of course, this is only the case if Katherine is the person referred to as Queen. And why Queen, in any case?)
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:29 AM
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How does one even exile someone as powerful as Jaina to a specific zone and make it stick?
simple, by being her mother
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:44 AM
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It's not surprising that she'd adhere to being kicked out of Kul Tiras proper. That's fine; it's natural to figure she wouldn't try to force her way back in against her mother's wishes. What confuses me is why the quest text is phrasing it like like she's trapped in Drustvar and we need to rescue her from the place.

And why are people assuming she'd have to slaughter a bunch of soldiers? Teleporting herself out of bad situations is outright one of her "things."

Like at the Broken Shore, where she just randomly disappeared right before everything went wrong. Or how she keeps teleporting away in a huff whenever the story needs an emotional infant throwing a tantrum to make everyone else in the room seem like reasonable adults by comparison.
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:04 PM
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Jaina is nowhere to be seen in the Drustvar storyline, though (thus far).

And 'Queen' might be an oversight on the quest-designer's part

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Old 02-12-2018, 12:35 PM
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:39 PM
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Very Good Point
See my summary. Still, though. They don't seem to be too happy about Jaina there, i assume they had forewarning. (She's arriving via ship, isn't she?) And probably planned for that. I wouldn't be too surprised if they have some kind of anti magic shell to trap her in, which would give the player character a good excuse to potentially slay some quest NPCs. That's more an attempt to justify my point, though; i simply forgot she can teleport. (To be fair, i assume Blizzard's writers will forget about that too.)
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:48 PM
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See my summary. Still, though. They don't seem to be too happy about Jaina there, i assume they had forewarning. (She's arriving via ship, isn't she?) And probably planned for that. I wouldn't be too surprised if they have some kind of anti magic shell to trap her in, which would give the player character a good excuse to potentially slay some quest NPCs. That's more an attempt to justify my point, though; i simply forgot she can teleport. (To be fair, i assume Blizzard's writers will forget about that too.)
I just have to wonder if they're pulling some sort of mind control thing with Katherine. It's one thing to refuse aid because she's mad at Jaina; that much is understandable. But to actually arrest and exile/imprison someone of Jaina's rank and position who's there in the capacity of an Alliance ambassador isn't just a refusal to help. It's tantamount to declaring your nation an enemy of the Alliance.

It's why diplomats have immunity. Throwing them in jail is practically a declaration of war on the people who sent them, because it means you anticipate the same treatment for your own ambassadors in return.
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Old 02-12-2018, 01:22 PM
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I just have to wonder if they're pulling some sort of mind control thing with Katherine. It's one thing to refuse aid because she's mad at Jaina; that much is understandable. But to actually arrest and exile/imprison someone of Jaina's rank and position who's there in the capacity of an Alliance ambassador isn't just a refusal to help. It's tantamount to declaring your nation an enemy of the Alliance.

It's why diplomats have immunity. Throwing them in jail is practically a declaration of war on the people who sent them, because it means you anticipate the same treatment for your own ambassadors in return.
It's possible that, given her role in Daelin's death, she's considered a wanted criminal in Kul Tiras, and that might override her status as an ambassador?
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Old 02-12-2018, 01:35 PM
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Is there a precedent in WOW ?
IRL it's a good way to get an army sent to civilize you.
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Old 02-12-2018, 02:38 PM
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Maybe they figure that they have some leeway here because the Alliance wants something from them. They could be thinking about a deal like "We'll join your shitty little war if we get to hang Jaina".
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Old 02-12-2018, 03:23 PM
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I just have to wonder if they're pulling some sort of mind control thing with Katherine. It's one thing to refuse aid because she's mad at Jaina; that much is understandable. But to actually arrest and exile/imprison someone of Jaina's rank and position who's there in the capacity of an Alliance ambassador isn't just a refusal to help. It's tantamount to declaring your nation an enemy of the Alliance.

It's why diplomats have immunity. Throwing them in jail is practically a declaration of war on the people who sent them, because it means you anticipate the same treatment for your own ambassadors in return.
i guess you could say she's a tirasian before being a diplomat, which gives Kat right to do it. This topic is stupid, find something else arm
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Old 02-12-2018, 05:22 PM
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I unsubbed yesterday, should have done that much much earlier (like last month, but well allied races) Given i dont have that much to do until bfa, (mostly just lvl alts to 110, but even with the faster ways that 7.3.5 made easier (and faster) it is still such a pain, mostly 1-80

I mean 1-60 is painful enough, even when you skip to 20.
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Old 02-12-2018, 06:43 PM
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But anyway, are we supposed to believe the Alliance didn't have any contact with Kul'Tiras since Warcraft III? And it seems the Horde is having an easier time allying with the Zandalari (villains in Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria) and the Iron Horde (villains in Warlords of Draenor) than the Alliance meeting one of their own members. Isn't that ridiculous?
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:10 PM
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But anyway, are we supposed to believe the Alliance didn't have any contact with Kul'Tiras since Warcraft III? And it seems the Horde is having an easier time allying with the Zandalari (villains in Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria) and the Iron Horde (villains in Warlords of Draenor) than the Alliance meeting one of their own members. Isn't that ridiculous?
There has been contact, there's no reason to believe otherwise. They just didn't want anything to do with the Alliance, but presumably there's still been normal trade. The Alliance invited them to the Darnassus Summit at the start of the Cataclysm but they declined.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:16 PM
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But anyway, are we supposed to believe the Alliance didn't have any contact with Kul'Tiras since Warcraft III? And it seems the Horde is having an easier time allying with the Zandalari (villains in Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria) and the Iron Horde (villains in Warlords of Draenor) than the Alliance meeting one of their own members. Isn't that ridiculous?
No political contact at least. With the combination of Daelin's death, the island being pushed out to sea by the Cataclysm, and the "twist" that the sea priests are evil old god cultists, I'm sure they just wanted to be left alone for a while.
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:48 PM
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In this expansion: two neutral parties and at least two mortal enemies join the Horde without a hitch. Meanwhile the Alliance has trouble getting it's own member state back.
Two mortal enemies?
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:59 PM
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Two mortal enemies?
Zandalari and Orclord Orcs.
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Old 02-13-2018, 04:58 AM
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There has been contact, there's no reason to believe otherwise. They just didn't want anything to do with the Alliance, but presumably there's still been normal trade. The Alliance invited them to the Darnassus Summit at the start of the Cataclysm but they declined.
No contact, according to the boy king. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:The_Nation_of_Kul_Tiras

And them being invited to the Darnassus meeting is also incorrect. Kul Tiras is not even mentioned in the book.
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:17 AM
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So... In a world where everyone can get around by magic, boat, zeppelin or gunship, they're going to blame Kul Tiras disappearance on... what? The Cataclysm movement of the island?

At least they could say something like "We didn't want to be in an Alliance with the traitor (Jaina) that allied with orcs to kill our lord"/king/whatever Daelin was.
Just add a little text or short story on how there was a meeting in which Kul Tiras officially left the Alliance back then.

It makes no sense for the Alliance to have so much trouble reallying with an already member state of their organization and the Horde just getting alliances out of nowhere with anyone who tried to kill them just yesterday.
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:41 AM
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So... In a world where everyone can get around by magic, boat, zeppelin or gunship, they're going to blame Kul Tiras disappearance on... what? The Cataclysm movement of the island?
Daelin's death.

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It makes no sense for the Alliance to have so much trouble reallying with an already member state of their organization and the Horde just getting alliances out of nowhere with anyone who tried to kill them just yesterday.
Also wrong. Read the Zandalari lines that regard the Horde before spewing nonsense all over.
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:56 AM
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So is there any logical and reasonable explanation as to why 2 powerful individuals like Zul and the Zandalari princess are suddenly randomly in a Stormwind prison or are we supposed to just turn our brains off and go along with the heavy-handed ham-fisted way to get the Zandalari to join the Horde?
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