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Old 05-30-2009, 05:17 AM
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Let's try to go age by age: (the events between each age define the transition point)

1-Mythos
~~The night elf druids start their hibernation.
2-The New World
~~Aegwynn refuses to choose a successor and decides to born a son. [I'm unsure about this one]
3-The Doom of Draenor
~~The Draenei are defeated by the Horde.
4-Alliance and Horde
~~Quel'Thalas, Gilneas and Stromgarde leave the Alliance.
5-Return of the Burning Legion
~~The Horde repels the invasion of Kul'Tiras.
6-The New Age

Now, let's try placing each source material under his respective age: (not necessarily orderly)

1-Mythos
-War of the Ancients Trilogy

2-The New World

3-The Doom of Draenor
-Rise of the Horde

4-Alliance and Horde
-Warcraft: Orcs & Humans
-The Last Guardian
-Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness (+ novel)
-Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal (+ novel)
-Day of the Dragon
-Lord of the Clans
-Of Blood and Honor

5-Return of the Burning Legion
-Arthas: Rise of the Lich King

6-The New Age
-The Sunwell Trilogy
-Cycle of Hatred
-World of Warcraft (+comic)
-Ashbringer
-World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade
-Night of the Dragon
-World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
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Now where on earth does the whole Rise of the Horde/Sargeras/Eredar retcon come into this?
I don't care.
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:52 AM
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Could we not use Arthas: Rise of the Lich King as a single time stamp? That books covers a lot of time periods.
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Could we not use Arthas: Rise of the Lich King as a single time stamp? That books covers a lot of time periods.
It is defined by the games it takes place during, not the other way around.
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Old 05-30-2009, 09:56 AM
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Giving a try to the first "age": (more than a list of certain events, this is a list of smaller periods of time with their corresponding events)

1-Mythos
~~Sargeras vs Eredar.
~~Sargeras vs Nathrezim.
~~Sargeras' betrayal.
~~Ordering of Azeroth.
~~Shaping of Azeroth.
~~Charge of the Dragonflights
~~Eredar join the Legion.
~~~Sargeras promises them power, and 2 of the 3 leaders accept the offer. The 3rd one, aided by the naaru, flees with some loyal people.
~~Trolls vs Azj'Aqir.
~~Rise of the Night Elves.
~~War of the Ancients.
~~~The Highborne summon the Legion to Azeroth.
~~~The Legion is defeated by the night elves.
~~~The Well of Eternity explodes, reshaping the world.
~~The second Well and the World Tree.
~~Exile of the Highborne.
~~Hibernation of the druids.
~~~The druids start their hibernation. The Sisterhood of Elune creates the sentinels to help protect their lands.
~~The Founding of Quel'Thalas.
~~Rise of the Arathi.
~~Founding of Strom.
~~Troll Wars.
~~Founding of Dalaran.
~~Founding of the Order of Tirisfal.
~~Awakening of the dwarves
~~Founding of Ironforge.
~~The Seven Kingdoms.
~~~Founding of Gilneas, Alterac and Kul'Tiras.
~~~Founding of Lordaeron.
~~~Founding of Stormwind.
~~War of the Shifting Sands
~~~The night elves defeat the qiraji.
~~~The night elves and the dragons chain the qiraji inside the Scarab Wall.
~~Aegwynn vs Sargeras.
~~~Aegwynn defeats the Avatar of Sargeras, and locks his body in the sunken ruins of Suramar.
~~War of the Three Hammers.
~~~Dwarf Civil War, won by the Bronzebeard clan.
~~~Founding of Grim Batol and Thaurissan.
~~~The Dark Iron clan attacks the 2 other clans, and got repelled.
~~~The Dark Iron clan summons Ragnaros, destroying themselves.
~~~Founding of Aerie Peak.
~~Founding of Gnomeregan.
~~Aegwynn disobeys the orders of the Council of Tirisfal, and decides to choose a successor in her own.
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:00 AM
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Let's skip dealing with the eredar for the moment, if just because we need to develop the overarching timeline before we get into retcon related stuff that takes weeks of argument.
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:02 PM
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Let's skip dealing with the eredar for the moment, if just because we need to develop the overarching timeline before we get into retcon related stuff that takes weeks of argument.
I agree. IMO we should also skip all the dreanor crap. Just focus on Azeroth.
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:45 PM
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Time before Thornby was born

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No further explanation is needed I believe
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@ Lon's list.

Wouldn't Aerie Peak have been founded way before where you put it? Otherwise where were the Wildhammers between then?
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Old 05-30-2009, 03:07 PM
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Wouldn't Aerie Peak have been founded way before where you put it? Otherwise where were the Wildhammers between then?
Weren't they in Grim Batol?
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Weren't they in Grim Batol?
Uh.

I've forgotten, honestly. So what'd they do in Grim Batol, and how'd they end up in Aerie?
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Old 05-30-2009, 03:18 PM
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Uh.

I've forgotten, honestly. So what'd they do in Grim Batol, and how'd they end up in Aerie?
I thought Grim Batol was the first place they settled, but because of... ahem... Modgud's taint they moved to Aerie.
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I thought Grim Batol was the first place they settled, but because of... ahem... Modgud's taint they moved to Aerie.
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But yeah, the Wildhammer dwarves were pretty much Bronzebeards Dwarfs 2.0 at the time of the War of the Three Hammers, they only radically changed their society when they decide to establish their city in the top of a Mountain, not inside one. Which was after the Dwarf War.

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We keep seeing the WC timeline fluctuate with additions to the story, most recently with the Ashbringer finale and the Rise of Arthas. As of right now, it seems prudent to discuss and formulate how the timeline has probably developed into, if so that we can know what we're talking about in later threads. Once everyone's got a decent consensus I'll edit this first post with the proper dates.

Proper dates?
Does it means the exactly year or time of the event happened?
Or just orders / sequences of the events happened.


Well somehow I feel I've got a little messed up with the time of the quests / story happened in game. Especial when the comics are introduced. Like the examples I listed below.

1. The deception and death of Onyxia:
It really looks Windsor was rescued and returned to Stormwind in the end of the year of where The Burning Crusade takes. And Varian killed her right before few days of zombie infection / 3rd scourge invasion which lead to Wrath of the Lich King. But another curious case is Nefarian, C'Thun both died long ago before Onyxia's death where it was originally placed in the year of Vanilla World of Warcraft.


2. The 2nd Scourge invasion and the Scarlet Crusade:
Naxxramas leaded the assault and sent floating necropolis to attack its enemy in the last few months of year of Vanilla World of Warcraft. While the Horde and the Alliance fighted them back, Darion and the Argent Dawn attempts to free Alexandros and found only death in Naxxramas. Also the Scarlet Monastery seemed never being attacked by the adventurers, or it was just Renault and Whitemane survived the onslaught? Anyway after this event, it should be Tirion Fordring and the quests chain of Of Love and Family.
Then the Argent Dawn requested helps from the Horde and the Alliance, they break through and Strotholme to clear the zealots of Scarlet Crusade leads by nathrezim Balnazzar and Scourge leads by Baron Rivendare. Meanwhile some Scarlet Crusade joined the united forces and formed Brotherhood of Light with Argent Crusade. They broke the defense of Naxxramas and defeated Kel'Thuzad for the first time. But the traitor Montoy stole Kel'Thuzad's phylactery and fled to Northrend with Naxxramas. Both Argent Dawn and the Scarlet Crusade stayed and cleared the remain Scourge in the plaguelands.
With all things had settled, the re-opening of the Dark Portal came with the year of The Burning Crusade.
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Old 05-31-2009, 05:20 AM
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Well, we don't know what happened with Nefarian or C'Thun. They're not mentioned before Onyxia's death :S.

And, about Ashbringer, the only problem is that, if they raided Kel'Thuzad, they ignored the other parts, raided by Darion and co. before.

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Wouldn't Aerie Peak have been founded way before where you put it? Otherwise where were the Wildhammers between then?
They moved to Aerie after they returned home after the defeat of Thaurissan.
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Well, we don't know what happened with Nefarian or C'Thun. They're not mentioned before Onyxia's death :S.
Night of the Dragon, which takes place before the expedition to Northrend, confirms both Onyxia and Nef were killed. It even says Varian killed Onyxia.
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Night of the Dragon, which takes place before the expedition to Northrend, confirms both Onyxia and Nef were killed.
NotD comes after TBC and before WotLK.

Nefarian could just have been killed some days after Onyxia.
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I'm pretty sure C'thun was killed way before Onyxia. In the WoW comics he is dead, and only a few days after Onyxia's death.

Neferian isn't mentioned at all, so it could have been before or after.
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NotD comes after TBC and before WotLK.

Nefarian could just have been killed some days after Onyxia.
Isn't that what I was implying?

C'thun clearly went down before Ony though.
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NotD comes after TBC and before WotLK.

Nefarian could just have been killed some days after Onyxia.

I think the twilight dragons wouldn't be able to create in very few days since it's a great experiment of combine Nefarian's chromatic dragon experiment and the chaotic nether energy of nether dragon. And we all know Onyxia is killed only few days before the Scourge / zombie infection. Plus Sintharia need to travel to Outland and retireve the eggs of nether dragons (She confirmed Nefarian's demise when she asked eggs of nether dragon from Illidari fel orcs). With the points I believe Nefarian died long days before Onyxia.
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A tip:

Forget about the damn time. Just focus on what happened after or before. Trying to tell the amount if days that passed will just fuck up everything.

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I'm pretty sure C'thun was killed way before Onyxia. In the WoW comics he is dead, and only a few days after Onyxia's death.

Neferian isn't mentioned at all, so it could have been before or after.
Who knows, could have die some days later. We don't know.
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Giving a try to the first "age": (more than a list of certain events, this is a list of smaller periods of time with their corresponding events)

1-Mythos
~~Sargeras vs Eredar.
~~Sargeras vs Nathrezim.
~~Sargeras' betrayal.
~~Ordering of Azeroth.
~~Shaping of Azeroth.
~~Charge of the Dragonflights
~~Eredar join the Legion.
~~~Sargeras promises them power, and 2 of the 3 leaders accept the offer. The 3rd one, aided by the naaru, flees with some loyal people.
~~Trolls vs Azj'Aqir.
~~Rise of the Night Elves.
~~War of the Ancients.
~~~The Highborne summon the Legion to Azeroth.
~~~The Legion is defeated by the night elves.
~~~The Well of Eternity explodes, reshaping the world.
~~The second Well and the World Tree.
~~Exile of the Highborne.
~~Hibernation of the druids.
~~~The druids start their hibernation. The Sisterhood of Elune creates the sentinels to help protect their lands.
~~The Founding of Quel'Thalas.
~~Rise of the Arathi.
~~Founding of Strom.
~~Troll Wars.
~~Founding of Dalaran.
~~Founding of the Order of Tirisfal.
~~Awakening of the dwarves
~~Founding of Ironforge.
~~The Seven Kingdoms.
~~~Founding of Gilneas, Alterac and Kul'Tiras.
~~~Founding of Lordaeron.
~~~Founding of Stormwind.
~~War of the Shifting Sands
~~~The night elves defeat the qiraji.
~~~The night elves and the dragons chain the qiraji inside the Scarab Wall.
~~Aegwynn vs Sargeras.
~~~Aegwynn defeats the Avatar of Sargeras, and locks his body in the sunken ruins of Suramar.
~~War of the Three Hammers.
~~~Dwarf Civil War, won by the Bronzebeard clan.
~~~Founding of Grim Batol and Thaurissan.
~~~The Dark Iron clan attacks the 2 other clans, and got repelled.
~~~The Dark Iron clan summons Ragnaros, destroying themselves.
~~~Founding of Aerie Peak.
~~Founding of Gnomeregan.
~~Aegwynn disobeys the orders of the Council of Tirisfal, and decides to choose a successor in her own.

Hey- could you just clarify on the bolded points.. I know about how Sargeras promises the 3 eredar leaders power and velen escapes (coining himself and his followers as the "draeni"..) But what is the first bullet in reference to? That was not the first time the Eredar met Sargeras? There was a time before?
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Old 06-01-2009, 09:47 AM
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It once was, but has been retconned out of timeline since. According to current canon, it never happened.
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Hey- could you just clarify on the bolded points.. I know about how Sargeras promises the 3 eredar leaders power and velen escapes (coining himself and his followers as the "draeni"..) But what is the first bullet in reference to? That was not the first time the Eredar met Sargeras? There was a time before?
I included both the old and the new version.

Since nothing implies the old one didn't happen at all, I still consider it canon, make sense or not.

For more information, read my explanation of what could have happened between those 2 events.
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With all due respect, your explanation makes even less sense than what we have now.
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