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Old 10-12-2017, 12:50 PM
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He even continued to blabber on through To The Colors...
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Well, first of all, Puerto Rico isn't a state.

Second of all, Trump doesn't give a shit about them. He sees them as lazy people who want everything to be just handed to them (never mind that they lost their homes and everything in them), and if his row with the authority figures over there is any indication, he's convinced that he's right, they're wrong, and that's just the way it is.

Speaking of FEMA, is there any word of them going to NorCal?
But...

He is right. They cant support PR long term. They cant juat fix their infrastructure. They cant fight the hoarding and mishandling of aide..
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Old 10-12-2017, 05:28 PM
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But...

He is right. They cant support PR long term. They cant juat fix their infrastructure. They cant fight the hoarding and mishandling of aide..
He wants to pull out FEMA almost right away. That's far from long-term. And FEMA isn't even supposed to do long-term help. It's supposed to do short-term. Give people food, medicine, clothes. No one expects FEMA to rebuild their houses or pay the medical bills.
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He is right. They cant support PR long term. They cant juat fix their infrastructure. They cant fight the hoarding and mishandling of aide..
How long was FEMA in MS after Katrina?
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:11 PM
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He wants to pull out FEMA almost right away. That's far from long-term. And FEMA isn't even supposed to do long-term help. It's supposed to do short-term. Give people food, medicine, clothes. No one expects FEMA to rebuild their houses or pay the medical bills.
And he said that where?

Or was his tweet that "they couldnt stay there forever"?

They arent getting power back island wide. Sames probably true for water. They cant afford to fix it.

Whats the solution
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:25 PM
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And he said that where?

Or was his tweet that "they couldnt stay there forever"?

They arent getting power back island wide. Sames probably true for water. They cant afford to fix it.

Whats the solution
Could you stop being an ass for maybe once in this thread?
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:41 PM
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Could you stop being an ass for maybe once in this thread?
How is that being an ass?

You said he wants to pull out almost immediately. I asked is that what he said, or was it the tweet?

I then asked what you thtnk should happen.

Like, I wasnt even being snarky
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:51 PM
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How is that being an ass?

You said he wants to pull out almost immediately. I asked is that what he said, or was it the tweet?

I then asked what you thtnk should happen.

Like, I wasnt even being snarky
You kind of were, but let's ignore that for a bit and focus on the tweet.

Apparently FEMA responded to it, saying that they were going to stay with Puerto Rico. So, woohoo, I guess. Still not sure how they're going to handle this along with NorCal, if at all. I don't have a lot of trust in them after Katrina.
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Old 10-12-2017, 07:00 PM
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How is that being an ass?

You said he wants to pull out almost immediately. I asked is that what he said, or was it the tweet?

I then asked what you thtnk should happen.

Like, I wasnt even being snarky
No, you're being pedantic.
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Old 10-12-2017, 07:02 PM
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No, you're being pedantic.
I mean, no?
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:33 PM
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Meh, probably not the spot this belongs, but I just typed it out and don't wanna look around.

Honestly, this whole "everyone to the right of me is a Nazi!/everyone to the left of me is a communist SJW!" bullshit feels like this is a pretty simple thing to figure out. It's the goddamn extreme Alliance fans vs extreme Horde fans all over again. Each side is convinced the "story" (media) is biased towards the other side, while their side is getting the spiky, four foot shaft. They've pushed the fringes so far out that even those people who agree with them, but not to the same extreme extent, aren't true fans of the Alliance/Horde, but plants for the other side.

This has had the amazing side-effect of making the moderate opinion ("yeah, the Alliance/Horde has problems, but they're not that big a deal", or worse, "both sides are getting the spiky, four foot shaft!") this huge expanse. And from the extreme edges, everyone who is not in their camp (which is moving further and further out there) must be just as bad as the guys who are way the hell out there.

...and all the while, the moderates are just getting sick of the extremists insane bullshit. It just depends on which side is being louder and more hostile at the moment.
As Grackle said, it gets even worse when there are actual neo-nazis and communists muddying the waters, so the moderates have to qualify their statements even more than usually do. Since saying "No, those with whom you disagree aren't nazis/communists." doesn't really cut it when the clashes in the streets involve protesters chanting Nazi slogans.

That's not to say we shouldn't still strive for calm and order over rabid factionalism/tribalism. It's still, in my opinion, anyhow, a noble aim.
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:36 PM
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I never understand why would some ppl dislike Bill Clinton, the guy is so funny and cool.
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:02 PM
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I never understand why would some ppl dislike Bill Clinton, the guy is so funny and cool.
And also, did William McKinley really deserve to get shot?
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Old 10-13-2017, 08:09 AM
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To the absolute surprise of no one

http://www.iflscience.com/environmen...ng-false-data/

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Old 10-15-2017, 11:02 AM
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Are Republican voters dumb or just filled with self-loathing? Looks like the latest fulfilled campaign promise is going to hit them hard.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nati...LPL/story.html
How will they spin this one to try to say it's Obama's fault?
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Old 10-18-2017, 08:28 AM
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And yet the cut the TANNING TAX, stupid goddamn greedy bastards
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:13 AM
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A prison healthcare contractor with 660 malpractice suits under its belt recently let a guy die of meningoencephalitis because they thought he was being lazy. They get funded a flat rate per prisoner and get to pocket the difference if they don't use it all.
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Old 10-20-2017, 04:43 PM
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I've been thinking. Throughout my life, I've often heard some variation of, "I don't respect President X, but I respect his office as president of the United States."

But I'm not sure I respect the office anymore. You know? Some jerk plays the game, gets in with the parties, works one system or another to get elected regardless of ability/experience/mental capacity, and after being elected proceeds to expand executive power beyond the point his predecessor left off... a practice he is allowed to do thanks to the historical progression of the office of president.

And maybe that's how it has to be; maybe that's the only way it can work. But that doesn't mean I have to respect the office. Grudging tolerance is NOT the same as respect.

No. I'm pretty sure I can't respect an office that produces Clinton, Bush, Obama, and then Trump back-to-back.
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Old 10-23-2017, 03:15 PM
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So, I find it interesting that the EPA cancelled the appearances of three scientists on their recent conference regarding Narragansett Bay. I haven't said much on my views on climate change, because anything that isn't 100% agreement turns into "you're just denying it!" bs.

It's not that I deny it, but I want to bring more to the table. Saying "but what if it's this?" isn't the same thing as "I completely deny that human are the cause of this." If you're not willing to discuss something or bring other opinions to the table, you're not practicing science.
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Old 10-23-2017, 05:42 PM
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Republicans don't care in the slightest about actual policies, or their supposed "principles". They just care what the Party (and particularly Donald Trump) is in favor of at any given moment. Meanwhile, it's worth noting that Democrats maintain fairly consistent opinions about policy, regardless of which party favors it, or who is in power.

#The Party of Principles:

* [**Exhibit 1**]

Opinion of Syrian airstrikes under Obama vs. Trump.
[*Source Data 1*](http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/pag...s-economy/456/), [*Source Data 2*](http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/pag...7-9-2017/2192/) and [*Article for Context*](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8ad12d500fe4)

* [**Exhibit 2**]

Opinion of the NFL after large amounts of players began kneeling during the anthem to protest racism. [*Article for Context*](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...arization.html) (viewing source data requires purchasing Morning Consult package)

* [**Exhibit 3**]

Opinion of ESPN after they fired a conservative broadcast analyst. [*Article for Context*](https://today.yougov.com/news/2017/0...way-from-ESPN/) (viewing source data requires purchasing YouGov’s “BrandIndex” package)

* [**Exhibit 4**]

Opinion of Vladimir Putin after Trump began praising Russia during the election. [*Source Data*](https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...nTabReport.pdf ) and [*Article for Context*](https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/1...s-over-russia/)

* [**Exhibit 5**]

Opinion of "Obamacare" vs. "Kynect" (Kentucky's implementation of Obamacare). Kentuckians feel differently about the policy depending on the name. [*Source Data*](http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...May%202014.pdf) and [*Article for Context*]( https://www.vox.com/2014/5/12/570986...l-it-obamacare)

* [**Exhibit 6**]

Christians (particularly evangelicals) became monumentally more tolerant of private immoral conduct among politicians once Trump became the GOP nominee. [*Source Data*](https://www.prri.org/wp-content/uplo...nt-Topline.pdf) and [*Article for Context*](https://www.prri.org/research/prri-b...it-lead-trump/)

* [**Exhibit 7**]

White Evangelicals cared less about how religious a candidate was once Trump became the GOP nominee. (Same source and article as previous exhibit.)

* [**Exhibit 8**]

Republicans were far more likely to embrace a certain policy if they knew Trump was for it—whether the policy was liberal or conservative. [*Source Data*](https://www.dropbox.com/s/jo4kq5g24z...logy_.pdf?dl=0) and [*Article for Context*](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/o...publicans.html)

* [**Exhibit 9**]

Republicans became far more opposed to gun control when Obama took office. Democrats have remained consistent. [*Source Data*](http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-con...ns-release.pdf) and [*Article for Context*](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...or-gun-policy/)

* [**Exhibit 10**]

Republicans started to think college education is a *bad thing* once Trump entered the primary. Democrats remain consistent. [*Source Data*](http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-con...ns-release.pdf) and [*Article for Context*](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...e-preparation/)

* [**Exhibit 11**]

Wisconsin Republicans felt the economy improve *by 85 approval points* the day Trump was sworn in. Graph also shows some Democratic bias, but not nearly as bad. [*Source Data*](https://law.marquette.edu/poll/results-data/) and [*Article for Context*](http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/b...omy/100502848/)

* [**Exhibit 12**]

Republicans became deeply negative about trade agreements when Trump became the GOP frontrunner. Democrats remain consistent. [*Source Data*](http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-con...al-release.pdf) and [*Article for Context*](http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/...2016-campaign/)

* [**Exhibit 13**]

10% fewer Republicans believed the wealthy weren't paying enough in taxes once a billionaire became their president. Democrats remain fairly consistent. [*Source Data*](http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-con...es-release.pdf) and [*Article for Context*](http://www.people-press.org/2017/04/...ay-fair-share/)

* [**Exhibit 14**]

Republicans suddenly feel very comfortable making major purchases now that Trump is president. Democrats don't feel more or less comfortable than before. [*Article for Context*](http://news.gallup.com/poll/206792/r...situation.aspx) (viewing source data requires purchasing Gallup's Advanced Analytics package)

* [**Exhibit 15**]

Democrats have had a consistently improving outlook on the economy, including after Trump's victory. Republicans? A 30-point spike once Trump won. [*Source Data*](http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-con...ril-3-2017.pdf) and [*Article for Context*](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ancial-crisis/)

Donald Trump could go on a stage and start shouting about raising the minimum wage, increasing taxes on the wealthy, allowing more immigrants into the country, and combating climate change. His supporters would cheer and shout, and would all suddenly support liberal policies. It's not a party of principles--it's a party of sheep. And the data suggest that "both sides" aren't the same in this regard. It's just Republicans.
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"Congress votes to disallow consumers from suing Equifax and other companies with arbitration agreements"
Votes were split down party lines. Guess which one overwhelmingly voted to make it illegal for you to sue companies you sign an agreement or contract with.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/24/co...on-agreements/
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Old 10-26-2017, 11:27 AM
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Old 10-29-2017, 12:07 AM
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Looks like the white house is finally going forward on the whole Russian sanctions thing.
http://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/t...ry?id=50749070
However, the office that oversees sanction policy and makes sure they get enforced has been scrapped. It is now the job of 1 guy.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/26/...ctions-office/
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However, the office that oversees sanction policy and makes sure they get enforced has been scrapped. It is now the job of 1 guy.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/26/...ctions-office/
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There's a lawsuit in Indiana regarding what's pretty transparently some very aggressive voter suppression. Apparently they tried to combat "voter fraud" in a way that kicked an estimated 100 people off the voter rolls for every 1 person enrolled in two locations (eg, after moving).
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lawsui...-99-inaccurate

[edit] And I'm sure you've heard about Manafort and Gates by now. I'll just leave these here.

Papadopolous' guilty plea may be getting lost in the noise, though, so here's that:
"21.] From mid-June through mid-August 2016, PAPADOPOULOS pursued an "off the record" meeting between one or more Carnpaign representatives and "members of president putin's office and the mfa."
a. For example,-on or about June 19, 2016, after several email and Skype exchanges with the Russian MFA Connection, defendant PAPADOPOULOS emailed the HighRanking Campaign Official, with the subject line "New message from Russia": "The Russian ministry of foreign affairs messaged and said that if Mr. Trump is unable to make it to Russia, if a campaign rep (me or someone else) can make it for meetings? I am willing to make the trip off the record if it's in the interest of Mr. Trump and the campaign to meet specific people."
b. After several weeks of further communications regarding a potential "off the record" meeting with Russian officials, on or about August 15, 2016, the Campaign Supervisor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS that "I would encourage you" and another foreign policy advisor to the Campaign to "make the trip{], if it is feasible."
c. The trip proposed by defendant PAPADOPOULOS did not take place."

https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

"Defendant PAPADOPOULOS claimed that his interactions with an overseas professor, who defendant PAPADOPOULOS understood to have substantial connections to Russian government officials, occurred before defendant PAPADOPOULOS became a foreign policy adviser to the Campaign. Defendant PAPADOPOULOS acknowledged that the professor had told him about the Russians possessing "dirt" on then-candidate Hillary Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails," but stated multiple times that he learned that information prior to joining the Campaign. In truth and in fact, however, defendant PAPADOPOULOS learned he would be an advisor to the Campaign in early March, and met the professor on or about March 14, 2016; the professor only took interest in defendant PAPADOPOULOS because of his status with the Campaign; and the professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the "thousands of emails" on or about April 26, 2016, when defendant PAPADOPOULOS had been a foreign policy adviser to the Campaign for over a month. b. Defendant PAPADOPOULOS further told the investigating agents that the professor was "a nothing" and "just a guy talk[ing] up connections or something." In truth and in fact, however, defendant PAPADOPOULOS understood that the professor had substantial connections to Russian government officials (and had met with some of those officials in Moscow immediately prior to telling defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the "thousands of emails") and, over a period of months, defendant PAPADOPOULOS repeatedly sought to use the professor's Russian connections in an effort to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials."

"On or about March 31, 2016, defendant PAPADOPOULOS attended a "national security meeting" in Washington, D.C., with then-candidate Trump and other foreign policy advisors for the Campaign. When defendant PAPADOPOULOS introduced himself to the group, he stated, in sum and substance, that he had connections that could help arrange a meeting between then-candidate Trump and President Putin."
"The government notes that the official forwarded defendant PAPADOPOULOS's email to another Campaign official... "Let's discuss. We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips. It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal."

He also mentions he started meeting with Russians after joining the campaign and notified the now-president via email and in person regarding his progress. There are some j u i c y emails.

"Let's discuss. We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips. It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal."

[edit] And here's a potential coincidence:
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