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Old 04-10-2016, 07:20 PM
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Yeah if we trust in modern Blizzard they will probably fuck that angle up but it's not written in stone.
So long as Kosak and Metzen hold the reins it is.
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Old 04-10-2016, 07:27 PM
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So long as Kosak and Metzen hold the reins it is.
Be that as it may, I still maintain that i'd rather that then lose the clan entirely. Even if he himself is as eye rollingly bad as Thrall throughout Cata then at least we'd have some of the old guard too stubborn to reform to contrast. And you never know, even modern Blizzard sometimes gets it right. We may get another Nazgrim.
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Old 04-10-2016, 07:31 PM
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Be that as it may, I still maintain that i'd rather that then lose the clan entirely. Even if he himself is as eye rollingly bad as Thrall throughout Cata then at least we'd have some of the old guard too stubborn to reform to contrast. And you never know, even modern Blizzard sometimes gets it right. We may get another Nazgrim.
I don't want the Dragonmaw old guard, they're basically Nazis after SoO.

I want a Dragonmaw that uses protodrakes or Pterrorwings and ships and dinosaurs but we're never going to GET that.

Best we can hope for is if we had the remnants make a new clan with a new name along that same premise, that'll appear for one zone in an expansion.

Oh, and we'll be told about how the way they specialize is bad and out of balance by the end of the zone, to explain why we never see them again.
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Old 04-10-2016, 07:50 PM
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I don't want the Dragonmaw old guard, they're basically Nazis after SoO.

I want a Dragonmaw that uses protodrakes or Pterrorwings and ships and dinosaurs but we're never going to GET that.

Best we can hope for is if we had the remnants make a new clan with a new name along that same premise, that'll appear for one zone in an expansion.

Oh, and we'll be told about how the way they specialize is bad and out of balance by the end of the zone, to explain why we never see them again.
Leave something for the Zandalari.

I'm pretty much resolved to the new clan with same premise idea. I feel you could do that with Koak, he loved his clan dearly but chose honour over it. There is potential and i'll admit i'd be happy enough to see them not fade away and maintain the roots of their identity.
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Old 07-07-2016, 12:20 AM
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Same could be said for a lot of Orcs to be fair (or people in real life for that matter). Grom didn't look beyond killing Cenarius when he took the demon blood, Thrall didn't look at the consequences of Garrosh being made Warchief etc.

For me it'd be Ner'zhul (mainly for the Lich King stuff), Gul'dan (for being unabashedly evil and not trying to hide what he's done like the rest of the Orcs) and Teron Gorefiend (because the WCII Death Knights in general were awesome).
Pre Cata Thrall
The Saurfang family (Dranosh for actually promoting the idea of working with non orcs and being friendly with the alliance, Broxigar for being a badass, Varok for being able to face the Horde's atrocities but not being too self deprecating)
Golluck Rockfist (he sees that the horde needs to make amends for it's crimes and tries to encourage it)
Cata Garrosh (actually seemed to be going through character development)
Nazgrim
Grunn'holde (she defeated Lady Blaumeaux in a manner most badass)
Durotan: Caught in a horrible situation and tried to do the right thing only to get horribly murdered for it
Orgrimm: For being badass and trying to work with a shitty hand.
Kingslayer Orcus: At heart a weak man trying to hide his cowardice, but ultimately dies heroically.


I also think most orcs aren't evil; they allowed their resentment at being beaten for their parent's sins to cloud their judgement, which combined with Admiral Proudmoore's assholery made it VERY easy to swallow Garrosh's poisoin
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Old 07-07-2016, 02:54 AM
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My favorite orc is Chris Metzen. He doesn't like his own universe like he used too.
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Old 07-07-2016, 04:11 AM
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My favorite orc is Chris Metzen. He doesn't like his own universe like he used too.
Well, between a natural longing for a change, rather toxic community and lack of desired creative control, I am often surprised he is still interested in it at all.

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Old 07-07-2016, 09:33 AM
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So long as Kosak and Metzen hold the reins it is.
I think Kosak is way more nefarious for the lore than Metzen.
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Old 10-01-2016, 01:26 AM
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Old 10-01-2016, 04:35 PM
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Old Horde
- Grom Hellscream
- Kilrogg Deadeye
- Kargath Bladefist
- Blackhand
- Orgrim Doomhammer
- Ner'zhul
- Teron Gorefiend (the real one, not that WoD abomination)

New Horde
- Garrosh Hellscream
- Varok Saurfang
- Eitrigg
- Ariok
- Nazgrim
- Nazgrel

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Old 10-01-2016, 05:13 PM
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Giselda the Beautiful? Does Garona count?
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Old 10-06-2016, 07:42 AM
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Broxigar. The only mortal ever who wounded Sargeras.
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Old 10-06-2016, 08:48 AM
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1. WC3 Grom Hellscream
2. Orgrim Doomhammer
3. WC3 Thrall
4. Durotan
5. Draka

Special Mentions:

Garad
Ga'nar
Kargath Bladefist
Blackhand
Ner'zhul
Gorgonna
Oronok Torn-heart
Grom'tor Torn-heart
Borak Torn-heart
Nazgrim
Kilrok Gorehammer
Eitrigg
Kilrogg Deadeye
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1. WC3 Grom Hellscream
2. Orgrim Doomhammer
3. Durotan/Draka
4. Ner'zhul
5. Gul'dan
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Old 10-06-2016, 08:58 AM
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Looking at that list of Frosts reminds me of this bit of an interview from a while back where the Devs said it was hard to get people interested in new characters and that always confounds me, because I'd love to see Gorgonna or Oronok Torn-Heart again but Blizz never fucking USES them, and instead opts to revive joke characters or introduce new folks and expect us to cling to them right away and not revive characters that had some real SOUL in their quests.
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Old 10-06-2016, 04:15 PM
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Looking at that list of Frosts reminds me of this bit of an interview from a while back where the Devs said it was hard to get people interested in new characters and that always confounds me, because I'd love to see Gorgonna or Oronok Torn-Heart again but Blizz never fucking USES them, and instead opts to revive joke characters or introduce new folks and expect us to cling to them right away and not revive characters that had some real SOUL in their quests.
tfw ariok, gorgonna, and jorin deadeye, will never get the treatment and development they deserve
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Old 10-06-2016, 04:55 PM
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tfw ariok, gorgonna, and jorin deadeye, will never get the treatment and development they deserve
Poor fkin Ariok, made a dire orc...
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Old 10-06-2016, 04:58 PM
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Poor fkin Ariok, made a dire orc...
Is it really that bad? I mean he got super strong and it doesn't appear to have any negative effects on him.
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Old 10-06-2016, 05:12 PM
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My personal opinion:

If Thrall and Jaina with the assistance of some mages and shaman could revert !!!CHAOS!!! Grom back to normal, Thrall and Rommath/Aethas/[insert notable Horde mage here] could definitely turn Ariok back to normal. (Especially since he was transformed via blood magic, so there should be at least a few blood elves capable of assisting.)
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Old 10-06-2016, 05:17 PM
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I was thinking Ariok could go to Pandaria to control himself via monk training.

He would then learn to change back and forth from Orc to Dire Orc at will like Bruce Banner and the Hulk.

If anyone should rule a race of rageaholic green-skinned muscle bound monsters, it should be a Hulk.
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Old 10-06-2016, 05:21 PM
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I was thinking Ariok could go to Pandaria to control himself via monk training.

He would then learn to change back and forth from Orc to Dire Orc at will like Bruce Banner and the Hulk.

If anyone should rule a race of rageaholic green-skinned muscle bound monsters, it should be a Hulk.
I like this idea, even if it is a little goofy.
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Old 10-06-2016, 05:23 PM
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I like this idea, even if it is a little goofy.
Thankyou.
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Old 10-06-2016, 07:16 PM
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Someone whos played tell me, did being hulked make Ariok dumb?
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Old 10-06-2016, 07:34 PM
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Someone whos played tell me, did being hulked make Ariok dumb?
He certainly starts talking more simplistic early on. So I would say he's lost some IQ points.

He also seems to be losing his mind. Yet even tortured, he refuses to bend to the Legion.
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Old 10-06-2016, 08:02 PM
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Damn

RIP new Horde order of Blackrock leadership

If they weren't gonna salvage Garrosh they could've at least salvaged Zaela
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Old 10-07-2016, 07:32 AM
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He certainly starts talking more simplistic early on. So I would say he's lost some IQ points.

He also seems to be losing his mind. Yet even tortured, he refuses to bend to the Legion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrOafA6xxfk
To be fair, he drops the simplistic way of talking by the time of Hellfire Citadel and speaks fairly normal by then. Though he does seem more angry than before.
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