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Old 09-24-2015, 10:56 AM
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An original tale of survival, conflict and magic that leads directly into the events of the eagerly-anticipated blockbuster movie. In the realm of Azeroth, the strong and fiercely independent Frostwolf Clan are faced with increasingly harsh winters and thinning herds. When Gul'dan, a mysterious outsider, arrives in Frostfire Ridge offering word of new hunting lands, Durotan, the Clan's chieftain, must make an impossible decision: Abandon the territory, pride and traditions of his people, or lead them into the unknown.
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The peaceful realm of Azeroth stands on the brink of war as its civilization faces a fearsome race of invaders: Orc warriors fleeing their dying home to colonize another. As a portal opens to connect the two worlds, one army faces destruction and the other faces extinction. From opposing sides, two heroes are set on a collision course that will decide the fate of their family, their people and their home. So begins a spectacular saga of power and sacrifice in which war has many faces, and everyone fights for something.

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Old 09-24-2015, 02:09 PM
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"The Orcs aren't evil."

Then look at WoD.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:19 PM
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"The Orcs aren't evil."

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Old 09-24-2015, 02:24 PM
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"The Orcs aren't evil."

Then look at WoD.
I am going to regret responding to this, but....

"This is a different continuity" "WoD Frostwolves were not evil either" "Old Warcraft was never about good vs. evil".
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:48 PM
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Just to be sure. This is the book that should set up the ground for the movie but the book is called the novelization of the movie?? Or is that yet another book??
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Question, has it been confirmed there is a Burning Legion in the movie's setting? If there isn't (or not as we know it) then wouldn't it at least be more like pre-WC3 Lore where the Horde was not a pawn of any otherworldly powers?
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Question, has it been confirmed there is a Burning Legion in the movie's setting? If there isn't (or not as we know it) then wouldn't it at least be more like pre-WC3 Lore where the Horde was not a pawn of any otherworldly powers?
Since Medhiv is part of the movie (which means Sargeras) and since green Orcs and Draenei are present, then most probably yes. Which makes it ridiculous to pretend both sides are good.
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Old 09-24-2015, 05:03 PM
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Counting WoD is like saying you have two dicks after circumcision.
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:09 PM
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At least they're putting emphasis on the orc desperation and ignorance, i think. That makes them come off less shitty i think.
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Christie Golden is not the right writer for Warcraft.
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Old 09-24-2015, 09:39 PM
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She is the perfect writer for the Horde.
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Christie Golden is not the right writer for Warcraft.
As far as authors go, who is?
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She is the perfect writer for the Horde.
Uh no, Rise of the Horde was one of the single worst things to happen to the Horde, it did, long before WoD, point out that the orcs needed no demonblood to be genocidal maniacs.

It made them, and the draenei, unforgivably stupid.
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Uh no, Rise of the Horde was one of the single worst things to happen to the Horde, it did, long before WoD, point out that the orcs needed no demonblood to be genocidal maniacs.

It made them, and the draenei, unforgivably stupid.
The reason they went on a warpath was described very clearly in the book. You are dismissing deception and psychology. If anything Rise of the Horde made orcs behave like real humans.

And again, WoD doesn't count. It's a warped version of the first event, not another in a line.
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The reason they went on a warpath was described very clearly in the book. You are dismissing deception and psychology. If anything Rise of the Horde made orcs behave like real humans.

And again, WoD doesn't count. It's a warped version of the first event, not another in a line.
It was given a flimsy excuse, and regardless of whether it'd be believable for IRL humans, it made for a lousy backstory to a playable race in a videogame.
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Old 09-24-2015, 11:47 PM
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Uh no, Rise of the Horde was one of the single worst things to happen to the Horde, it did, long before WoD, point out that the orcs needed no demonblood to be genocidal maniacs.

It made them, and the draenei, unforgivably stupid.
I never understood this argument. We, as humanity, spawned Huns (who were far worse than the orcs), Avars, Pechenegs, Genocide of Congo, Hitlerism, Stalinism etc, yet we have no magic, no blood pact, no nothing. Does that mean that we are evil or unforgivably stupid as well? If you are a die-hard self hating idealist, I suppose so, but then again, why berate the orcs as if they were some special case?

Now, about this "unforgivably stupid". From a modern point of view, every civilization on such a civilization scale will look stupid. One does not simply look at Iron Age humans and say; hey, those people were a bright folk.
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I never understood this argument. We, as humanity, spawned Huns (who were far worse than the orcs), Avars, Pechenegs, Genocide of Congo, Hitlerism, Stalinism etc, yet we have no magic, no blood pact, no nothing. Does that mean that we are evil or unforgivably stupid as well? If you are a die-hard self hating idealist, I suppose so, but then again, why berate the orcs as if they were some special case?

Now, about this "unforgivably stupid". From a modern point of view, every civilization on such a civilization scale will look stupid. One does not simply look at Iron Age humans and say; hey, those people were a bright folk.
Two parts to my response:

First: You're comparing apples and oranges.

Humans irl in those circumstances had different environmental factors and cultures.

I'm judging the orcs by their culture at the time and the physics of the setting as we're explained them by Blizzard.

Second: There's also an old adage, Reality is unrealistic.

The assassination of archduke franz ferdinand would be hilarious if the consequences weren't so tragic.

What might make sense in real life, what really happens in real life, and what would make for a good -story- are often wildly different things.

Rise of the Horde did not make for a good background for the Draenei -Or- the orcs.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:53 AM
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Two parts to my response:

First: You're comparing apples and oranges.

Humans irl in those circumstances had different environmental factors and cultures.

I'm judging the orcs by their culture at the time and the physics of the setting as we're explained them by Blizzard.
First of all. Even comparing Huns with Germans is like comparing apples and oranges. That was not my point. The point was that we, as humans, did things far worse than the orcs.

Second. Can't really agree with that. From what we have seen over time, in Warcraft III (arguably even Warcraft II), RoTH and even WoD, orcs are a savage, survivalist warrior society. Noble and spiritualist in the pre-Horde era, corrupted and power hungry in the Old Horde era and Garrosh era. What tools exactly were used to corrupt them, be it the fel magic, technology, big words or fear mongering is not really that important, as those tools were always used just as means to achieve this corruption, but they were not what caused the corruption themselves. Manipulation of their mindset and way of living was that. If you do not find that interesting, or good for that matter, fine, that is your holy right, but that does not make it universally bad. I for one, prefer this version to; we are completely pacifist beings that would never hurt a living being, but we got accidentally turned into bloodthirsty animals or we are just evil.
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