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So, Youtube is self destructing.

Videos are getting demonitized left and right. Content has to be suitable for a 5 year old, if the google response is to be believed.

Fitness videos, almost all gaming videos, tech videos, ASMR videos, left and right wing political videos. They are cancelling live interviews and issuing marks against the account before the interview happens.

This will force an alternative and drive people to vid.me and other streaming services
I don't think youtube monetization was ever a stable idea, honestly. It always felt like it was just supposed to be a site to upload whatever dumb videos you recorded and share them for free. There are a a few channels I like enough to throw money at via Patreon, which seems like a more viable option.
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So, Youtube is self destructing.

Videos are getting demonitized left and right. Content has to be suitable for a 5 year old, if the google response is to be believed.

Fitness videos, almost all gaming videos, tech videos, ASMR videos, left and right wing political videos. They are cancelling live interviews and issuing marks against the account before the interview happens.

This will force an alternative and drive people to vid.me and other streaming services
Horror content has been getting shafted for a while. It's the main reason the hubs and I have been contributing to Rob Dyke via Patreon.
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The Boston protest doesn't seem to be going very well either. Someone doesn't like Old Glory.
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I do think protesters should take up the flag rather than letting conservatives monopolize what it means to be a patriot.
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I do think protesters should take up the flag rather than letting conservatives monopolize what it means to be a patriot.
I think flying the flag upside-down sends a stronger message than burning it. The rightists has stolen the country from real Americans and perverted its values. People should show that.
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I think flying the flag upside-down sends a stronger message than burning it. The rightists has stolen the country from real Americans and perverted its values. People should show that.
Is there a historical connotation to flying upside down or anything?
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Is there a historical connotation to flying upside down or anything?
It's a distress signal.
THE UNITED STATES FLAG CODE
Title 4, Chapter 1
§ 8(a)The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

(And no, the flag code has no legal force behind it due to free speech; It's basically a collection of suggestions)
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I do think protesters should take up the flag rather than letting conservatives monopolize what it means to be a patriot.
The problem is a lot of the people on the left in these rallies (And yes, not all or even most of them) aren't patriots, and want to see the active destruction of America, because it's based on colonialism, white supremacy, and all that other bullshit.

If they started to try and take up the flag as a symbol of patriotism, they would alienate a hell of a lot of their powerbase, and they won't do that.

The event organizers, the radical left, the anti-fa, large sections academia circles, are all explicitly anti-America. The joke of "The American Flag is offensive if you fly it" is a joke because it's actually happened.

You are much more likely to, as Kak says, see it burned (the destruction of an ideological symbol and it's systems) or subverted (flying the flag upside down, put other images on top of it, etc). A blatant call out of America as an idea.

It's a shame groups like the Oathkeepers, as conspiracy theory nutcases as they are, haven't been larger influences at Alt-Right rallies, letting Neo-nazis and white supremacists take the stage.

And it's a shame Antifa has been the largely driving force in a lot of the lefts protests.

Ultimately, what it amounts to is that both sides right now are courting people they probably don't like or agree with because radicals know how to work the system, increase drive, get funding, and drum up attendance.

That isn't to say moderates don't know how to do that, but it's much more rare.
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Patriotism would alienate a lot of their supporters who think they are too good for it or think it is evil. People have forgotten what they can do for their country.
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The problem is a lot of the people on the left in these rallies (And yes, not all or even most of them) aren't patriots, and want to see the active destruction of America, because it's based on colonialism, white supremacy, and all that other bullshit.
Supporting American values against those assailing them is very patriotic.
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If they started to try and take up the flag as a symbol of patriotism, they would alienate a hell of a lot of their powerbase, and they won't do that.
Probably not.
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The event organizers, the radical left, the anti-fa, large sections academia circles, are all explicitly anti-America. The joke of "The American Flag is offensive if you fly it" is a joke because it's actually happened.
Minute numbers of outliers.
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It's a shame groups like the Oathkeepers, as conspiracy theory nutcases as they are, haven't been larger influences at Alt-Right rallies, letting Neo-nazis and white supremacists take the stage.
Oathkeepers are idiots. They're part of the "I'm super anti-authoritarian until Republicans are in charge of everything then we all need to submit to the government's whims" group.
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And it's a shame Antifa has been the largely driving force in a lot of the lefts protests.
Ultimately, what it amounts to is that both sides right now are courting people they probably don't like or agree with because radicals know how to work the system, increase drive, get funding, and drum up attendance.
Stop listening to the right-wing media's narrative. There are tons of protests going on across the country. The vast majority of them are peaceful with no Antifa in sight.
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Supporting American values against those assailing them is very patriotic.
The left isn't supporting them.

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Probably not.
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Minute numbers of outliers.
Nope.

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I mean, they are idiots, yeah. But all radical groups are, and radical groups are part and parcel for culture wars

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Stop listening to the right-wing media's narrative. There are tons of protests going on across the country. The vast majority of them are peaceful with no Antifa in sight
It doesn't matter.

The major ones DO largely have violence. Even todays, which is largely being treated as peaceful had people running from the left in fear, and the old ladies thrown to the ground because they were carrying the American flag.

The majority may be "peaceful". The implication that they aren't is always carried because of the threat of left wing radicals constantly being active. The same does stand for both sides, the left's been far more active about it recently.

And also, you consider throwing explosives into crowds "non-violent" and "just burning trash cans" so...
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I get the sense that a lot of the counter-protesters just really hate Nazis. Is that a bad thing?
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I get the sense that a lot of the counter-protesters just really hate Nazis. Is that a bad thing?
Hating Nazis isn't a bad thing but just because you oppose Nazis doesn't make you a good person. Antifa opposes a lot more than just Nazis.
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I get the sense that a lot of the counter-protesters just really hate Nazis. Is that a bad thing?
I get the sense thet hate anyone they call a Nazi.
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I get the sense they hate anyone they call a Nazi.
What do you think it means to be a Nazi, Ferlion?
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What do you think it means to be a Nazi, Ferlion?
I mean, if we are being factual, canadian would be a good place to start, Specifically looking at incoming residents from around the end of WW2.
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I mean, if we are being factual, canadian would be a good place to start, Specifically looking at incoming residents from around the end of WW2.
So... are you going for the 'sins of the fathers' style of factuality, or the 'no true faction of WWII' style of factuality?

Either way, you'd have to be pretty dumb to misinterpret my question like that.
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So... are you going for the 'sins of the fathers' style of factuality, or the 'no true faction of WWII' style of factuality?

Either way, you'd have to be pretty dumb to misinterpret my question like that.
I'm going for the "Canada accepted a hell of a lot of Nazis into their country and refuse to this day any effort to hold them accountable for their shit" of factuality.

I don't think anyone but Nazi's are Nazi's, even the people who, currently, take to call themselves that.

I can run around calling myself a Viking, and it doesn't make it true.

Are they deplorable for calling themselves that and espousing what they do? Sure.

Do I think most of them would even be able to pull the trigger on their shit if given the chance? No, I think most would be unable to.

All of which is pointless to my original statement of "I think the left just hates anyone they call a Nazi".
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I get the sense that a lot of the counter-protesters just really hate Nazis. Is that a bad thing?
Communists are worse than Nazis. Antifa is worse than the alt-right groups.
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I'm going for the "Canada accepted a hell of a lot of Nazis into their country and refuse to this day any effort to hold them accountable for their shit" of factuality.


All of which is pointless to my original statement of "I think the left just hates anyone they call a Nazi".
1. How do you feel about operation paperclip?


2. I think the right just doesn't want to acknowledge the degree to which nazis are present or how closely related their ideologies are.

Remember, Nazis were inspired in part by American politics.

http://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/

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European racists took note. Among them was Adolf Hitler. In Mein Kampf, Hitler called America the "one state" making progress toward the creation of the kind of order he wanted for Germany. In 1935, the National Socialist Handbook on Law and Legislation, a basic guide for Nazis as they built their new society, would declare that the United States had achieved the "fundamental recognition" of the need for a race state.

Beyond its laws, the Nazis also admired America’s conquest of the West. In 1928, Hitler praised the Americans for having "gunned down the millions of Redskins to a few hundred thousand" in the course of founding their continental empire. And they knew that the United States had emerged as the dominant great power in the world after World War I. To them, racism had made America great. Plenty of Americans seemed to agree.

Of course, there was more to America than its racism. The Nazis despised the United States’ otherwise egalitarian and democratic traditions. Many of them believed that race-mixing would eventually doom America to decline. And they found it sad that American law had not yet targeted the race they regarded as the most dangerous of all: the Jews.
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I'm going for the "Canada accepted a hell of a lot of Nazis into their country and refuse to this day any effort to hold them accountable for their shit" of factuality.
So just straight up non-sequitur, eh?

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I don't think anyone but Nazi's are Nazi's
Wow, gee, thanks, that really clears things up and presents your case as a totally reasonable and non-circular argument.

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Are they deplorable for calling themselves that and espousing what they do? Sure.

Do I think most of them would even be able to pull the trigger on their shit if given the chance? No, I think most would be unable to.
I am truly awed by your insight into the Totally Not Nazi mindset.

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All of which is pointless to my original statement of "I think the left just hates anyone they call a Nazi".
Sure, because who cares about meaning, right? I asked a question and you've completely dodged it. You're making it hard for me to engage you on civil terms here, man.
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1. How do you feel about operation paperclip?
On a personal level? Disgusted.
On a pragmatic level? It helped out the nation in the future and we likely wouldn't be where we were without many of those engineers.

So, basically humanity being garbage again because it gains them something.


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2. I think the right just doesn't want to acknowledge the degree to which nazis are present or how closely related their ideologies are.

Remember, Nazis were inspired in part by American politics.
Of course. Every body is inspired by the big kid on the block and tries to say how much like them they are.

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So just straight up non-sequitur, eh?
Wow, gee, thanks, that really clears things up and presents your case as a totally reasonable and non-circular argument.
Nope. Just an answer to your question.

If you weren't a member of the Nazi party in Germany circa WW2 (and historical events surrounding it, of course), you aren't a Nazi.

That doesn't stop you from being a shit human being, but it doesn't mean you are "burn humans alive in an oven bad". Instead, we have people being called Nazi's for supporting Trump, or any other countless things.

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It's more into humanity, but hey.

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Sure, because who cares about meaning, right? I asked a question and you've completely dodged it. You're making it hard for me to engage you on civil terms here, man.
I didn't dodge it. You just didn't take my answer at face value, though I guess I could have been more clear?
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