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Old 06-14-2013, 02:29 PM
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Made this thread so I don't derail others with my ranting.

He's a terrible non-entity who's got nothing interesting going for him other than being Cairne's son, and is too pacifistic to work in any realistic way and gets his people killed yet is praised for it endlessly.
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:45 PM
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Found his short story to be quite boring as well though I did like how he was portrayed in The Shattering. That Baine seemed to hold some promise of being an interesting character down the line.
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:47 PM
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The Shattering was okay-ish but in light of recent events it just makes him look incompetent since Magatha grew to be a threat again.
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Baine's actions, unfortunately, have almost all been to the detriment of his people.

We saw that in his short story, which ended in the strengthening of his enemies to the point they were able to become a genuine threat in Cataclysm questing.

We saw it in The Shattering, which resulted in the Grimtotem rallying and destroying an entire village in Thousand Needles and killing Tauren and other Horde forces in Stonetalon.

Lastly, we saw it when Baine exiled those who were responsible for preventing the siege of Mulgore from succeeding by repelling the Alliance forces responsible.

That his actions haven't stirred controversy, worse, that they seem to be framed as "good" decisions, is disconcerting.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:42 PM
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His short story is the story that literally made me begin to dislike Baine incredibly, almost making lose my faith in the Tauren as a whole.

I don't quite understand why Hellscream was pinned the bad guy, reckless, angry, ect ect. Hellscream had the noble goals in the short story while Baine was incredibly incompetent. Basically, the whole story was him putting hostile, idiotic creatures that cannot be reasoned with over the other races of the Horde. Baine's father had no problems with hostile centaur, and neither the majority of the Tauren. But when it comes to the quilboar? They treat them better than the members of the Horde they swore loyalty to.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:46 PM
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I still have to read Baine's short story...

...except you guys make me not want to.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:59 PM
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I still have to read Baine's short story...

...except you guys make me not want to.
Are you that pressed for time?
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:05 PM
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Are you that pressed for time?
It's easy to post a bunch on here, when I'm doing something more "real life" in another internet window. But to sit down and say.... "Right now, I'm going to dedicate some time to reading about BAINE. Of the TAUREN. I notice that everyone hates this story, and I've never cared about the Tauren at all, so I'm really excited about reading it now..."

The only Short Stories I've read so far are the Three Hammers, Lorthy, Mekkatorque, Varian/Anduin/Jaina, and Greymane.

Mekkatorque and Greymane both have references to the Second War.
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:46 PM
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What Garrosh thinks of Baine's short story: ''I'm surrounded by idiots...''
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:08 PM
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Made this thread so I don't derail others with my ranting.

He's a terrible non-entity who's got nothing interesting going for him other than being Cairne's son, and is too pacifistic to work in any realistic way and gets his people killed yet is praised for it endlessly.
Heh, hardly the most in depth character analysis I've ever read. ^^

But I agree with the spirit of it, and with Kelick's notes on "Why Bain Sucks."

I'll also add that if someone so incompetent and frankly, immature became Warchief then that would just rehash Garrosh's early story, where his heart seemed (FU poor char development) to be in the right place but he still made blunders because he was unprepared for the single most powerful job in the world.
And Blizzard, you fucked up with Garrosh you don't get to try again, put someone competent and if possible, pragmatic on the throne.
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Old 06-15-2013, 12:44 AM
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Baine's actions, unfortunately, have almost all been to the detriment of his people.

We saw that in his short story, which ended in the strengthening of his enemies to the point they were able to become a genuine threat in Cataclysm questing.

We saw it in The Shattering, which resulted in the Grimtotem rallying and destroying an entire village in Thousand Needles and killing Tauren and other Horde forces in Stonetalon.

Lastly, we saw it when Baine exiled those who were responsible for preventing the siege of Mulgore from succeeding by repelling the Alliance forces responsible.

That his actions haven't stirred controversy, worse, that they seem to be framed as "good" decisions, is disconcerting.
Baine is not a bad character. He is sick. In fact, he suffer a dire illness, known in the Alliance as the Anduinwrynnite, which rob a character of his intelligence, and make them forsake the need of their people to protect enemies.
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Old 06-15-2013, 12:56 AM
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Cairne was kind of a non-entity too.

I'm not supporting Baine I'm just saying he really wasn't much better in the "doing stuff" department.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:11 AM
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Baine has a story?

Seriously though, I cannot judge him as a character because I've never really seen his character, give him the spotlight and an actual arc then maybe I'll have an opinion on him. For now, he has cool art and is a tauren. 7/10
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:22 AM
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When Blizzard is in ashes you have my permission to get story development.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:30 AM
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The only Short Stories I've read so far are the Three Hammers, Lorthy, Mekkatorque, Varian/Anduin/Jaina, and Greymane.

Mekkatorque and Greymane both have references to the Second War.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:36 AM
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I think Baine is trying too hard to be Cairne. Cairne's style worked during a time of relative peace, but it doesn't when the world itself is being turned upside down and a war is happening.
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Old 06-15-2013, 06:37 AM
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I wish there would be a Tauren character challenging Baine's leadership. Sticking to the peaceful old ways VS adapting to the new world.
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Old 06-15-2013, 06:56 AM
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You guys don't like Baine because he's literrally the horde version of Anduin and Jaina. Sacrificing his factions best interests for peace. When Jaina recommended he join the alliance, you know that man's peaceful.
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:26 AM
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You guys don't like Baine because he's literrally the horde version of Anduin and Jaina. Sacrificing his factions best interests for peace. When Jaina recommended he join the alliance, you know that man's peaceful.
I don't like anduin or Jaina either.
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:29 AM
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I don't like anduin or Jaina either.
Horde players do, and alliance players like Baine.
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Horde players do, and alliance players like Baine.
Only the ones who can't read critically.
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:47 AM
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How nice, we're devaluing the opinions of others by questioning their intelligence.
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:54 AM
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How nice, we're devaluing the opinions of others by questioning their intelligence.
In most cases I'd agree with you but fuck that I'm right in this case.

Baine's terrible and anyone who tries to justify his Nevile-Chamberlain style governing is an imbecile.
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:58 AM
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Tauren are the ''dwarves'' of the Horde.
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:58 AM
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In most cases I'd agree with you but fuck that I'm right in this case.

Baine's terrible and anyone who tries to justify his Nevile-Chamberlain style governing is an imbecile.
I want to defend him, but mostly just because I hope that he's actually a good leader and just needs to be developed more.
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