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Old 09-02-2014, 04:25 PM
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Yeah I think we need a thread for it rather than just use the Hobbit movie thread. Discuss all the Middle Earth books, movies and games here.

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I still think Orlando Bloom was the worst casting choice of the movies.
He just gave the role that surfer dude flair that felt really out of place to me. Plus he's simply a terrible actor.
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As a guy I'm not a fan of him but he made this character very popular, in the book Legolas was a minor character.
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Old 09-02-2014, 04:42 PM
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This is my favorite depiction of the duel between Morgoth and Fingolfin.


And I geeked out like an idiot when I found out Turin will kill Morgoth in the Final Battle.
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This is my favorite depiction of the duel between Morgoth and Fingolfin.


And I geeked out like an idiot when I found out Turin will kill Morgoth in the Final Battle.
I have "The Lays of Beleriand" paperback, has that image as cover.
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I wish the Silmarillion had such cover. I really loved this book. A lot of people say it's hard to read but I didn't run into anything aside from a few elven names sounding too similar.
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Growing up there were two books I read over and over again:

Homer's Iliad
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Tolkien's Silmarillion

The two are remarkably similar in style and composition. Many people find it hard to read because of the distant, almost abstract style, reminiscent of almost a historical recollection, not a novel.

To me, that's what hooked me. I was and am an utter history geek, I would read through all kinds of editions of compiled world history for fun, and these two fictional works hit a nerve with me.
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Growing up there were two books I read over and over again:

Homer's Iliad
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Tolkien's Silmarillion

The two are remarkably similar in style and composition. Many people find it hard to read because of the distant, almost abstract style, reminiscent of almost a historical recollection, not a novel.

To me, that's what hooked me. I was and am an utter history geek, I would read through all kinds of editions of compiled world history for fun, and these two fictional works hit a nerve with me.
I like Iliad better because it's more "grey", neither side is truly "evil". The characterization of many characters are awesome. LotR is a bit pure black/white, characterization is Tolkien's weakness.
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I still think Orlando Bloom was the worst casting choice of the movies.
He just gave the role that surfer dude flair that felt really out of place to me. Plus he's simply a terrible actor.
I like Orlando Bloom as a person forever now because he took a swing at Bieber. But as an actor, meh. There was a part on the Fellowship commentary where he's saying that when Boromir is dying, he played it that Legolas was curious, because since elves are immortal, he's never experienced death before.

Which is horseshit. Elves are naturally immortal, but they die through war and accidents just as much as any other species does. Seeing as how Greenwood became Mirkwood during his lifetime, Legolas would know that better than others. It reminds me of the new Darkshore quests where dying night elves say things like, "So this is what it means to be mortal..." The writer of that quest must've made the same mistake Orlando did. Immortal =/= invincible.

I agree that the Silmarillion is awesome. I couldn't put it down when I got it. I tore through it, just like I tore through The Hobbit. LotR, otoh, I've never completed. I've tried three times, and each time I'm defeated by the White Council chapter.
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I like Orlando Bloom as a person forever now because he took a swing at Bieber. But as an actor, meh. There was a part on the Fellowship commentary where he's saying that when Boromir is dying, he played it that Legolas was curious, because since elves are immortal, he's never experienced death before.

Which is horseshit. Elves are naturally immortal, but they die through war and accidents just as much as any other species does. Seeing as how Greenwood became Mirkwood during his lifetime, Legolas would know that better than others. It reminds me of the new Darkshore quests where dying night elves say things like, "So this is what it means to be mortal..." The writer of that quest must've made the same mistake Orlando did. Immortal =/= invincible.

I agree that the Silmarillion is awesome. I couldn't put it down when I got it. I tore through it, just like I tore through The Hobbit. LotR, otoh, I've never completed. I've tried three times, and each time I'm defeated by the White Council chapter.
He didn't have challenging roles after LotR, but overall he did a good job as Peter Jackson's Legolas.
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All my moneys for an HBO Silmarillion adaptation.
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All my moneys for an HBO Silmarillion adaptation.
Which part?

I'd personally be all kinds of down for a series following the Misadventures of Turin Turambar.
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I'd personally be all kinds of down for a series following the Misadventures of Turin Turambar.
Optimally? All of it. Each season a different story.

But the epic saga of the Noldori from beginning to end would make for some amazing TV.

Sadly it would be extremely expensive to make decently.

Really, one could pick and choose so many parts and turn them into great TV or movies.
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Yeah, no. Lots of them would need more than one season to do just, including Turin's aforementioned Wacky Misadventures.
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Yeah, no. Lots of them would need more than one season to do just, including Turin's aforementioned Wacky Misadventures.
Oh, for sure. But you could divy it into arcs.

Like say, the music of the Ainur up to the creation of the Simarils and the Flight of the Noldori, all the way to the first battle on Beleriand with Morgoth and the settling of the lands there could be one big arc.

Then you got a season of some of the earlier tales of the Noldori before the coming of Men and the Battle of Unnumbered Tears as the climax of the next arc.

Then 3rd season you've got Gondolin, Turin and Beren/Luthien and it ends with the breaking of Beleriand.

4th season/arc you can do Numenor and Sauron.

It would have to focus much more on narration and visual impact than character depth.
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As a guy I'm not a fan of him but he made this character very popular, in the book Legolas was a minor character.
Legolas doesn't have character in the films. He's just some random action hero and that's about it. Which, along with simply being an elf, is probably why people like him in the films.
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I like Iliad better because it's more "grey", neither side is truly "evil". The characterization of many characters are awesome. LotR is a bit pure black/white, characterization is Tolkien's weakness.
Having the setting as black and white (somewhat of an oversimplification) doesn't mean the characterisation is weak.
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Natural defense against being written into fan fic porn.
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Not like it worked.
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Not like it worked.
Hey, the best defense won't work against a superior predator.
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All my moneys for an HBO Silmarillion adaptation.
After what Jackson did to Tolkien's work with his Hobbit movies, and after what HBO did to Asoiaf, I don't what to see the Silmarillion getting adapted, and if it must be, then at least 20-30 years in the future.
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After what Jackson did to Tolkien's work with his Hobbit movies, and after what HBO did to Asoiaf, I don't what to see the Silmarillion getting adapted, and if it must be, then at least 20-30 years in the future.
To be fair it's not too dissimilar to what he did in the LotR movies. It just had more CGI. Focus the movies around not particularly good battle sequences and disregard\change most of the characters.
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Animated series would be the best way to present it.
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