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Old 06-04-2014, 05:18 PM
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Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom The Feminism Thread v2.0

Because this is the thread that we need, but not the one we deserve.

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Old 06-04-2014, 05:21 PM
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Why don't people wait at least a few days out of respect for Sarah? This is abortion all over again! Grumble, grumble.

Well, I'll see myself out now. Don't wanna derail another thread too much today.
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Old 06-04-2014, 05:28 PM
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I feel as if "Feminism" was a poor title choice, and continues to be so.
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Old 06-04-2014, 05:30 PM
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One more thing! You really should've taken advantage of your icons.
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Old 06-04-2014, 05:32 PM
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No. We are gender neutral.
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Old 06-04-2014, 05:42 PM
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Let feminism stay dead. It ran its course.
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Old 06-04-2014, 06:21 PM
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Let feminism stay dead. It ran its course.
Seize this opportunity PJ. Dismantle feminism.
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Old 06-04-2014, 06:26 PM
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If we let it die, then the patriarchy will win. But seriously, it's nice to have outlets.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:10 PM
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so you guys won't even accept that harassment of women is a facet in everyday life as is rape culture?

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Old 06-04-2014, 07:12 PM
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so you guys won't even accept that harassment of women is a facet in everyday life as is rape culture?

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Everyone gets harassed daily. It's not a feminine phenomenon.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:14 PM
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Everyone gets harassed daily. It's not a feminine phenomenon.
true but women face more harassment then men in most workplaces, I don't recall being called a slut or a whore when I wear a tshirt at my work as a man

and the fact that women base their social and personal lives around having to avoid harassment and attempted rape is pathetic.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:14 PM
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What about men who are essentially women?
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:15 PM
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Everyone gets harassed daily. It's not a feminine phenomenon.
Female problems don't detract from male ones. This isn't a competition.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:16 PM
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What about men who are essentially women?
trans people face overwhelming harassment especially from government institutions; kind of like the whole "birth control isn't covered on insurance but viagara is" dealio, trans people face discrimination and hatred on the same levels as women do if not worse
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:17 PM
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I don't believe I said anything about "trans" anything.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:23 PM
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I might be alone in this, but I think constantly bandying around the phrase 'rape culture' has done a lot to diminish the severity and terribleness of actual rape. Leering at someone should not be described with the same word as violently forcing someone to have sex without consent.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:25 PM
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I might be alone in this, but I think constantly bandying around the phrase 'rape culture' has done a lot to diminish the severity and terribleness of actual rape. Leering at someone should not be described with the same word as violently forcing someone to have sex without consent.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:25 PM
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I might be alone in this, but I think constantly bandying around the phrase 'rape culture' has done a lot to diminish the severity and terribleness of actual rape. Leering at someone should not be described with the same word as violently forcing someone to have sex without consent.
Rape usually has a broader definition than violently forcing someone to have sex without consent.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:30 PM
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Rape usually has a broader definition than violently forcing someone to have sex without consent.
Yeah, probably should've said all sex without consent, whether it's violent or not. My point still stands though.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:40 PM
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Yeah, probably should've said all sex without consent, whether it's violent or not. My point still stands though.
Or dubious consent like being under the influence of alcohol. Begging someone to have sex with you or if someone says no in the middle of sex and you continue is considered rape. Most rape is done by someone that you already know and trust.

If you are in a position of authority over someone and you try to coerce them into sexual favors it is considered rape. When I was in Technical School I talked to a female that was in a BMT flight where the instructor had sex with four of his trainees. She said "Everyone knew about it, they just didn't care." That is where she is wrong though. He took advantage of his position and preyed upon a bunch of homesick and stressed out young women. If the four were receiving special treatment it can create an environment where you feel like you have to put out for your supervisor in order to succeed and that is terrible too.

Rape is a more broad of an idea. Sneers and cat calls are annoying but there is more to rape than it not being consensual.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:44 PM
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Or dubious consent like being under the influence of alcohol. Begging someone to have sex with you or if someone says no in the middle of sex and you continue is considered rape. Most rape is done by someone that you already know and trust.

If you are in a position of authority over someone and you try to coerce them into sexual favors it is considered rape. When I was in Technical School I talked to a female that was in a BMT flight where the instructor had sex with four of his trainees. She said "Everyone knew about it, they just didn't care." That is where she is wrong though. He took advantage of his position and preyed upon a bunch of homesick and stressed out young women. If the four were receiving special treatment it can create an environment where you feel like you have to put out for your supervisor in order to succeed and that is terrible too.

Rape is a more broad of an idea. Sneers and cat calls are annoying but there is more to rape than it not being consensual.
Dubious consent can be a grey area (What if both people are drunk? Did they rape each other?) but I suppose you're right. I do feel like there should be a different term for coercing people into sex, but rape works I guess.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:45 PM
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Have any so-called "men" here tried to go to work in a skirt, stockings, blouse, and rouge? What would the response be?

And yet, so-called "women" seem to be presently permitted to go around with short hair, trousers, and shirts.

This is a grand inequity which society cannot seem to handle.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:46 PM
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Dubious consent can be a grey area (What if both people are drunk? Did they rape each other?) but I suppose you're right. I do feel like there should be a different term for coercing people into sex, but rape works I guess.
Your original point is still a good one, despite all this.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:47 PM
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Have any so-called "men" here tried to go to work in a skirt, stockings, blouse, and rouge? What would the response be?

And yet, so-called "women" seem to be presently permitted to go around with short hair, trousers, and shirts.

This is a grand inequity which society cannot seem to handle.
Eddie Izzard seems to pull it off pretty well. I just don't think it's a good look. Maybe if someone designed skirts and so on with men in mind.

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