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Old 01-24-2018, 03:38 PM
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To protest Hammerbrew being banned for reasons elaborated on multiple times by various mods, yet was somehow a case of 'liberal bias'.
That's only half the truth. A large part was a concern that this sort of moderation would work counterproductively, alienate a significant part of the regulars and kill any discussion in these parts. What do you think has happened? There's little discussion left, unless you count Kakwakas' spam nobody's interested in really as discussion.
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:05 PM
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That's only half the truth. A large part was a concern that this sort of moderation would work counterproductively, alienate a significant part of the regulars and kill any discussion in these parts. What do you think has happened? There's little discussion left, unless you count Kakwakas' spam nobody's interested in really as discussion.
With regards to the political discussion i don't think it's too much of a concern

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To protest Hammerbrew being banned for reasons elaborated on multiple times by various mods, yet was somehow a case of 'liberal bias'.
You well know that is not the whole story. There were concerns of bias that were not unfounded. In the end we lost a lot of good, active posters which crippled the forums. Discord did the rest and now this is pretty much a ghost town. But whatever, what's done is done and I'm over it.

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You well know that is not the whole story. There were concerns of bias that were not unfounded. In the end we lost a lot of good, active posters which crippled the forums. Discord did the rest and now this is pretty much a ghost town. But whatever, what's done is done and I'm over it.
I know Cantus was heavy handed when dealing with other folks, but that doesn't change the fact that Hammerbrew deserved his ban which was elaborated on by multiple other mobs.
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:27 AM
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Here's an idea; how about we don't have Catholic priests take vows of celibacy, so that they don't become sexually frustrated, and don't rape little children. Or, if they necessarily have to take these silly vows, howsabout we don't let the sexually frustrated ticking timebombs hold positions of power over helpless little children, so that they don't become tempted to rape them.
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:31 AM
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Here's an idea; how about we don't have Catholic priests take vows of celibacy, so that they don't become sexually frustrated, and don't rape little children. Or, if they necessarily have to take these silly vows, howsabout we don't let the sexually frustrated ticking timebombs hold positions of power over helpless little children, so that they don't become tempted to rape them.
It's more likely that heteronormative types are less inclined to seek the celibate calling than deviants are, which is unfortunate.

As for what you said, I don't think you believe that heterosexual men will "become gay" or "become pedophiles" simply by not being allowed to marry. After all, there are plenty of adult female prostitutes.

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Vatican On Sex Abuse Report: ‘Listen, No Normal Person Is Going To Sign Up To Be A Priest’

Quite frankly, at this point, the Vatican should at the very least mandate body cameras for all priests at all times, with the feed going to some organization that doesn't rely on the Catholic Church's money to operate.

Oh, and maybe execute all employees over the age of 40 at this point. Crucifixion would probably be best, thematically speaking.
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:01 AM
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It's more likely that heteronormative types are less inclined to seek the celibate calling than deviants are, which is unfortunate.
Well maybe, just maybe, designing a profession so that it attracts child rapists in a seemingly systematic manner isn't the greatest of ideas. Especially a profession that's supposed to symbolize a higher morality and a connection to the divine.

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As for what you said, I don't think you believe that heterosexual men will "become gay" or "become pedophiles" simply by not being allowed to marry. After all, there are plenty of adult female prostitutes.
I believe that sexual frustration can have people act out in ways they wouldn't if they lived a healthy sexual life. Living in celibacy and being married to a guy who died 2000 years back isn't healthy behaviour.
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Old 08-19-2018, 12:29 PM
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There isn't a binding doctrine that requires priests to be unmarried; it's a church law - which means it could be changed in the future. We already have married priests in some of our rites (the eastern and anglican rites being most famous). We may have to look that direction to answer the priest shortage in general.

But I don't think that kind of change would have any effect on keeping the monsters out.

Instead, scrutiny is much more relevant. A lot of these shifts started in the early 2000s. We have much more scrutiny now than before, not just on priests but on all positions that have high interaction with children. Office doors are kept open. In fact, a lot of offices have had windows added. Parents are more involved and much less trusting than in the past. Even lay volunteers have background checks. The culture is a lot more wary, and hopefully these practical changes will ward away future monsters - if the priesthood isn't a place to get unrestricted access to children anymore, then ideally the creatures looking for child access won't gravitate there.

That doesn't help past crimes and cover-ups. Rake those fuckers across the coals. Our good clergy are all for it; you can bet they hate the negative association.
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Old 08-20-2018, 04:35 PM
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There isn't a binding doctrine that requires priests to be unmarried; it's a church law - which means it could be changed in the future. We already have married priests in some of our rites (the eastern and anglican rites being most famous). We may have to look that direction to answer the priest shortage in general.

But I don't think that kind of change would have any effect on keeping the monsters out.

Instead, scrutiny is much more relevant. A lot of these shifts started in the early 2000s. We have much more scrutiny now than before, not just on priests but on all positions that have high interaction with children. Office doors are kept open. In fact, a lot of offices have had windows added. Parents are more involved and much less trusting than in the past. Even lay volunteers have background checks. The culture is a lot more wary, and hopefully these practical changes will ward away future monsters - if the priesthood isn't a place to get unrestricted access to children anymore, then ideally the creatures looking for child access won't gravitate there.

That doesn't help past crimes and cover-ups. Rake those fuckers across the coals. Our good clergy are all for it; you can bet they hate the negative association.
The problem is that it's more than just priests molesting kids. There are bishops involved that have been shielding these priests, moving them around, protecting them, etc. This will not be the last time this happens unless they just clean house and bring in new leadership across the board.

In other news, a man in Texas had to be gunned down after stabbing a toddler while yelling "Jesus is coming."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/20...s-say.amp.html
We need to come to terms with the fact that Christianity has a fundamentalist, dangerously violent baby killing element that, quite frankly, mainstream Christians have been very slow to denounce. I mean seriously, I haven’t heard a single pastor speak out against stabbing or killing of babies.
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Old 08-22-2018, 03:13 AM
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There isn't a binding doctrine that requires priests to be unmarried; it's a church law - which means it could be changed in the future. We already have married priests in some of our rites (the eastern and anglican rites being most famous). We may have to look that direction to answer the priest shortage in general.
I could see the RCC adopting the Orthodox model of having priests capable of marrying before joining the clergy, but those are unable to ascend to the upper echelons of the ranks. That would likely do wonders for more local parishes. But it's not as if most mainline Protestant denominations are dealing with the sort of problems of parish inheritance that this church law originally sought to protect against.

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But I don't think that kind of change would have any effect on keeping the monsters out.
True, as this is often about power and the delusion that one can get away with anything from that position of power.

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The problem is that it's more than just priests molesting kids. There are bishops involved that have been shielding these priests, moving them around, protecting them, etc. This will not be the last time this happens unless they just clean house and bring in new leadership across the board.
That's also true. It's not just about the molestation but the protectionist and cover-up policies done by their superiors. It destroys a lot of trust.
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Old 08-22-2018, 07:15 PM
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Well, the high-level cover-ups are arguably worse and more shocking. I include the bad bishops when I say to rake 'em across the coals.

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I mean seriously, I haven’t heard a single pastor speak out against stabbing or killing of babies.
You clearly haven't heard as many homilies from Vietnamese and African priests as I have....
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