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Old 11-03-2017, 05:49 PM
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"Why are you back?"

It started with a twitter notification.

I got a Twitter account on the advisement of a speaker at a conference that I attended last year - to follow various things, and through one of the updates, I learned that WoW was implementing a classic mode. I watched the video, then I came upon the other one - the cinematic trailer for the new expansion.

"This might actually be interesting!", I thought. The Alliance was getting upset to the point that they were starting a war over Lordaeron? ... and they're making it complex that it was actually Anduin that started and he's not being portrayed as a lunatic crazy guy, like Garrosh was? I had a few questions of course, like "how the hell did the Alliance get up there?" and "did the Forsaken forget how to use blight". But, I was cautiously optimistic.

So, I poked over to the Story Forum to see if there was anything interesting about it. I was thinking that I would wait and see of course, to ensure that Blizzard didn't screw something else up, but there was a real chance of me coming back. Then I got confused.

What do you mean Teldrassil is being burned down?


Anyway, that's all prologue to this post:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/...9150911#post-6

..... alright Scryll. You win. I'm here. But this is probably as good of an occasion as any to come back at least for a little bit. Part of me misses having these arguments, even though I can tell you that I'm a genuinely happier person for stepping away from this franchise.

Also, to that comment, I am sure that Kosak's doctor is wondering if he's been taking Viagra, and just because he moved to Hearthstone doesn't mean that he doesn't have current or residual influence on the writing. Though I've got to hand it to whoever his successor is, he made me angrier than I ever was when I was still playing!

So anyway, I have to ask a favor of anyone who is still paying Blizzard to post on their site. Could you got get him for me? Maybe Lena and a few others as well? It's been a while and I'd like to see how the gang is holding up.

Past that of course, I really don't care where the discussion goes. I'm happy to discuss anything (for about a week or so before I go back to doing other things). Let the flaming begin!
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:16 PM
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:24 PM
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:30 PM
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Not that old. My old profile, the one that lacks a V. is still out there. I went away just before Legion - though most of my activity was on the Story Forum. I sort of floated in here midway through Cataclysm if I remember right.
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:39 PM
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Hi, Kyalin! I haven't seen your posts in literally years. Glad to know that stepping away from WoW was a good thing for you, but I thought you would have liked Legion.
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:42 PM
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Hi, Kyalin! I haven't seen your posts in literally years. Glad to know that stepping away from WoW was a good thing for you, but I thought you would have liked Legion.
I didn't give it a chance. I figured that it was probably going to be a mess and that they wouldn't portray Night Elves all that favorably, despite their "Night Elf is the new Orc" campaign.

Plus I found a better game about a demon hunter.
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Old 11-03-2017, 11:02 PM
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Alright, so with the pleasantries out of the way, I should get to what you all came here for.

It should be no surprise to anyone that when I saw this, I felt both hurt and angry in a more visceral way that I ever have with this franchise. For all of the apoplectic rage I have expressed over the years, there was no singular point where I felt worse about a story development than I do now. This is after I had pretty much accepted that Blizzard would never give the Night Elves good content and accordingly, moved on from being invested in the franchise.

I used to inwardly snicker at people who said that they were "literally shaking", but then I learned what that felt like.

In a sense, having some time to cool off about it, I feel vindicated for leaving when I did. I knew that the writers didn't like the Night Elves, and I could not have asked for more definitive proof. Burning down Teldrassil is the most definitive statement the company could have ever made against the idea that the Alliance should be an interesting, multipolar, heterogeneous entity, instead of the bland human-led blue and gold faction for, by, and of humans, and no one else.

Those Alliance fans who are hoping for non-human Alliance content, this was a statement: we don't care about you, and we will destroy everything you care about in the name of making our narrative easier to write and program for. In summary: "Fuck you".

I will now address some of the arguments seeking to find a silver lining.

1. "But this will free the Night Elves from their stagnation!"

Blizzard had since 2004 to do that. There are many ways that Blizzard could have iterated on the race, shown them making progress to catch up with the rest of the world. They chose this instead. That choice reveals a lot about their priorities and intentions, which leads me into the second expression of this argument.

There is a strange optimism that this should lead to a better Night Elf story afterward. Why do you people think this is? Is this the bargaining stage of the five stages of grief? You can take this tree, but I'm sure you'll give us a good interesting story? They have no reason to do that, and based on their behavior so far, no desire. You are hoping for a long-established trend to magically reverse - don't hold your breath.

2. It will still be available to lowbies.

So what? The Night Elves still abjectly failed to halt a Horde advance from going through all of their territory, and then getting to the point where they could successfully destroy the capitol. The fact that the zone is gone is immaterial. The fact that the race and its identity are gone, save for those what will be thrown into blue tabards and turned into discount high elves, is what matters.

3. No one ever went there. It's not a huge loss to the Alliance.

No one ever went there because Blizzard chose not to make the place more interesting. Again, this was a problem they could have corrected anytime between now and 2004, and they could have done it by making the city more appealing rather than burning it down. Again, Blizzard's choices reveal their priorities and their prejudices.

4. You just don't want the Night Elves to ever lose.

I haven't explicitly seen this one yet, but I know its coming.

First, it's awfully hard to root for someone who can't stop losing. The Night Elves have been Blizzard's punching bag for a very long time. This is little more than the ultimate expression of that.

But I can see someone coming up and saying "But Kyalin, the fact that you're angry is the point. You're supposed to be angry at the Horde for doing this. If you're upset, then the story is doing its job."

The problem is, I don't think the story has earned it.

If that sounds strange, let me elaborate. When I played Deus Ex: Human Revolution, I could never get the pacifist achievement, and the reason for that can be summed up in one word "Malik". She was your pilot in the game and one of its more 'human' characters, and during my first playthrough, I let her die.

You see, you are returning to Hengsha and are being rerouted by Chinese air traffic control. Little do you suspect that this was a trap being set by Belltower Associates. Who shoot you and Malik down, leaving her aircraft trapped in a courtyard, being shot at by Belltower mercenaries. If you're good, you can kill the mercenaries fast enough to save her, but this is hard to do and during my first run, she got killed. I later saw her body in a harvester den, being vivisected for any spare parts that she might have in this society of mechanical augmentations.

From then on, and in every subsequent playthrough, any time I ran into anyone even remotely connected to Belltower, after knocking them out for the 'peaceful takedown' points, I put a silenced round into their foreheads. That's how angry I was at what 'they' had did.


But 'they' didn't do anything, right? 'They' are pixels, whose actions were written and programmed by the writers and the devs. Shouldn't I be pissed at them, as I am in Blizzard's case? Well, I wasn't because the illusion was strong enough for me not to make that connection. Belltower took Malik and myself by surprise. It was a bad situation that I was quick to rectify once things were back on my terms. Primarily, they established how we got to this point and didn't make the loss seem arbitrary. They also didn't make the characters we were rooting for bumbling incompetents who, frankly deserved it and were unlikeable as well, as Blizzard has repeatedly done with the Night Elves.

I also think that this applies equally to the Forsaken. There's no reason in my mind that justifies a massive Alliance army being in the Tirisfal Glades. The Forsaken should be a very difficult land power to overcome given that they have necromancy and blight, and substantial geographic advantages coming up from the south. Neither of these victories seem in any sense deserved. They just happened because the writers for whatever reason decided that they should happen - that reason probably being: "we don't want to work as hard." (Which may have something to do with Activision-Blizzard's strategy to avoid paying US Income Tax by diverting and not repatriating earnings to/from foreign tax havens)


So, what's the takeaway? Well, for me at least? It was a wise financial and emotional decision for me to cut ties with the series when I did. I knew that Blizzard hated the Night Elves, wasn't serious with their attempt at a push for content in Legion, and now I have the best piece of proof that I could have ever asked for, as much of a gut punch as it is.

For the rest of you, starting with human fans: congratulations, you are in for expansion where you get to try and probably fail to retake Lordaeron. Well done, you. For the Horde, I do hope you enjoy Kosakesque fanfiction about Sylvannas and being portrayed as villains again. You know it's coming. For non-human fans of the Alliance? Give up. You will never get the content you want, because Blizzard does not care about you and does not want your business. It is time that you realized that, and stopped funding them.

Your money, your time, and your investment is better spent elsewhere.
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Old 11-04-2017, 12:57 AM
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It's a fun game, regardless of the lore. If people are unhappy enough to stop paying, they absolutely should.

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Old 11-04-2017, 02:43 AM
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Old 11-04-2017, 06:51 AM
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Time to repopulate the Broken Isles!

But yeah, kicking the night elves out of Kalimdor does make me kind of miffed. I don't care much about Teldrassil, but the other places (Hyjal, Winterspring, Feathermoon, etc.) hold some good memories for me, and give me a nice opportunity to roleplay. I'm hoping that we don't lose all Kalimdor questing, but it's much too soon to say at this point.
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Old 11-04-2017, 07:24 AM
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Old 11-04-2017, 07:48 AM
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But yeah, kicking the night elves out of Kalimdor does make me kind of miffed. I don't care much about Teldrassil, but the other places (Hyjal, Winterspring, Feathermoon, etc.) hold some good memories for me, and give me a nice opportunity to roleplay. I'm hoping that we don't lose all Kalimdor questing, but it's much too soon to say at this point.
I don't mean to be snippy about this, but that doesn't matter at all to me. With phasing and classic zones, we can see them, sure, but that doesn't change where the lore has gone. It doesn't change that the Night Elves were again portrayed as being blindingly incompetent, and that their identity as a race is for all intents and purposes dead.

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It is?

Maybe this is just my distance talking, but it looks more and more every day like a series of skinner box traps where you're not playing because it's fun, but because a number on a screen is telling you to.

Put in a more eloquent way (he gets to the point at around 15 minutes - though with this guy, you usually get the full effect by listening to him ramble):

That doesn't matter so much to me if there's a story that I can get into and friends who can enjoy it with me. But this story is actively hostile to people who don't line up in lockstep with what Blizzard's writers want. Do you like human themes and questing? No? Too bad, we're going to force you to like it by taking away your choices.

I could link the Barbie doll skit, but I just can't be asked. You know where to find it, and I stopped finding this stuff funny a long time ago. It's abusive, and it's insulting to me that these people in the same breath and with a straight face had the gall to ask me to pay them for the privilege.

See, there are better games out there. There are games that don't treat people like that. There are companies that actually want your business and are far more deserving of it.
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Old 11-04-2017, 10:03 AM
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The sword of Sargeras started the fire. I dont know if incompetence could even factor into that.
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The sword of Sargeras started the fire. I dont know if incompetence could even factor into that.
I literally do not care about whatever magical McGuffin plot contrivance they pulled out of their ass to get there. Not one bit. At the very BEST this is the Kosak-comic cosplay nonsense that we got with the Divine Bell all over again, and that's before you conveniently leave out that they got their asses kicked all over Northern Kalimdor.

You know, terrain that they should know, and should be the most effective in.

But see, none of that matters, because they'll handwave it away. "And Cenarius didn't care because he really didn't like the forests anyway and wanted to play marbles instead. Besides, he's friends with the Orcs now because even though the previous writers portrayed his relationship to Grom in a way that perfectly hit upon the theme of that campaign as being a battle for the heart and soul of the Orcish people, we can't be asked now because it would be inconvenient for us to care".

Which really is what this is about. They want us to absorb human content and theming because it's easier. You don't have to think as hard, or care that a human king shouldn't be ruling Darnassus. Because guess what? Darnassus is gone, bitch! GET IN LINE!

It reminds me of a scene from Dr. Zhivago, when Gromenko laments the news that the Bolsheviks killed the Czar and Zhivago remarks something along the lines of "It's to show that there's no going back now".

You didn't get Night Elf 9/11 out of a realistic story concern, you got it because it was convenient. You didn't have a compelling story about continued losses, or a sudden reversal creating a shock on the level of losing Spock in Wrath of Khan. They just threw it out for a cheap shock to get you angry at the Horde. Well, I'm not angry at the descendants of the Orcs I ventilated years ago in some Battleground somewhere, I'm angry at the writers for destroying something I enjoyed about the franchise on a whim because they're afraid of effort!

This event does not deserve to exist.
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And yet it does.

And complaining about it does no good. Blizzard doesnt care. About me as a customer, about fans of anything not human alliance side, etc...

You know who else doesnt care?
Any game company for a franchise. ME, CoD, Mario, Zelda, tekken.

So dont play for the lore, play for fun.

And if you dont find it fun, dont play at all. Its not worth getting angry over.

And yeah, I was sick over this too.

Then I got a call from my older sister for the first time in over a decade.
Then I talked to my dad and his problems.
My guildies who are new parents and struggling to find time to play.

And then I felt embarrassed that I felt sick, because its just a game. Its enjoyable, to me, to many others, and you can try and excuse it with skinner boxes and burns hexagons all you want, but thats no different than the development equivalent of a trope. Execution matters.

Does this suck? Sure.

It just doesnt matter. I play for friends and fun and frankly, Blizzard is the same evil as every other business
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Huh ...I was wondering where you disappeared off too. I miss RPing with you in Darnassus, but from the look of things. I am certain those days will be gone for good, as Teldrassil and all rightful Kaldorei clay and roots are taken by the Horde. You know, I am very surprised this happening now and didn't happen during the days of Cataclysm -

I had hopes that with Kosak leaving WoW to Hearthstone would have been a fresh breath of air for the story ...This, perhaps in terms of the Horde, barring the Zandalari is big Sylvanas circle-jerk. At least if they remain consistent with their vision of having one faction continents. The Night Elves could see a renewal elsewhere on Azeroth. Perhaps, it is best for the Kaldorei be far removed anywhere close to the Horde as it would mean continued destruction of their identity.

Not that I want zones like Ashenvale, Moonglade and my precious Darkshore to begone. It just seems that the future of Warcraft isn't too kind to the Night Elves.

It would be nice to see you back in game, and with heritage/racial themed armor becoming a thing. Maybe you will get that full set of legit Warden armor?
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And yet it does.

And complaining about it does no good. Blizzard doesnt care. About me as a customer, about fans of anything not human alliance side, etc...

You know who else doesnt care?
Any game company for a franchise. ME, CoD, Mario, Zelda, tekken.

So dont play for the lore, play for fun.

And if you dont find it fun, dont play at all. Its not worth getting angry over.

And yeah, I was sick over this too.

Then I got a call from my older sister for the first time in over a decade.
Then I talked to my dad and his problems.
My guildies who are new parents and struggling to find time to play.

And then I felt embarrassed that I felt sick, because its just a game. Its enjoyable, to me, to many others, and you can try and excuse it with skinner boxes and burns hexagons all you want, but thats no different than the development equivalent of a trope. Execution matters.

Does this suck? Sure.

It just doesnt matter. I play for friends and fun and frankly, Blizzard is the same evil as every other business
Yeah, this is a cop out. You could rewrite this entire post as "fiction is stupid". Are there more important things? Absolutely. That doesn't make bad writing okay.

Also no, every company is not the same. Some are objectively doing better jobs of this than others.

... and I feel like you are reaching at this point to defend this. It is okay to feel sick about this. It is okay to be upset about this. It is okay to have some feeling about fiction. That's the point of fiction! But what they've done here wasn't the result of a carefully crafted and meaningful story. It was a garbage contrivance that obliterated something I have fond memories of.

Now, can I leave? Yes. I did because I could read the writing on the wall. But this thing reached through the goddamned internet and ruined my Friday.

So now I'm here. Getting this out of my system before I go back to titles that deserve my attention.

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Huh ...I was wondering where you disappeared off too. I miss RPing with you in Darnassus, but from the look of things. I am certain those days will be gone for good, as Teldrassil and all rightful Kaldorei clay and roots are taken by the Horde. You know, I am very surprised this happening now and didn't happen during the days of Cataclysm -

I had hopes that with Kosak leaving WoW to Hearthstone would have been a fresh breath of air for the story ...This, perhaps in terms of the Horde, barring the Zandalari is big Sylvanas circle-jerk. At least if they remain consistent with their vision of having one faction continents. The Night Elves could see a renewal elsewhere on Azeroth. Perhaps, it is best for the Kaldorei be far removed anywhere close to the Horde as it would mean continued destruction of their identity.

Not that I want zones like Ashenvale, Moonglade and my precious Darkshore to begone. It just seems that the future of Warcraft isn't too kind to the Night Elves.

It would be nice to see you back in game, and with heritage/racial themed armor becoming a thing. Maybe you will get that full set of legit Warden armor?
I guess I'll take this in parts.

There's a tone of inevitability I think in your post, which was part of the reason I left the game. The writers have got people conditioned to think that things had to be this way. That the Night Elves simply couldn't be anything other than what they've become, and I couldn't disagree more.

An ancient empire forced into having to change could have been handled well. How would druidism cope with technology? How would their prior #savage nature intertwine with complex diplomacy? Buuuut we didn't get that, because the writers didn't want to make them competent and handwaved away all of their advantages. Even them being nocturnal in a twitter post!

These were choices, not inevitabilities. So the question now is, should you accept those choices? I argue no. I am encouraging people to reject them.

As for me coming back to the game. It won't happen. I made the decision not to reward this behavior, and I certainly don't see a reason to do so now. I prefer to reward games and franchises that make me happy.
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I sympathize with being disappointed in the story that your favorite race is given. I have never been a big night elf fan. The just didn't interest me. I never wanted them to have a lame story though. Ideally every different race would have a good story, nice thematic zones, and a good amount of exposure.

I've always been someone that like Stromgarde, Dwarves, and then the rest of the Humans the most. I never wanted the other races in the Alliance, or any of the races in the Horde(Sans maybe the Forsaken around the time of Cataclysm) to just be shitted on and not have an enjoyable story.

So many Draenei and Night Elf fans just actively rooted and hoped for any story involving Humans to feel like complete shit for people who liked them.

I don't think that WoW's story has been at all good for Humans despite the amount of face time they've gotten. The stuff involving Lordaeron, Stromgarde, and Gilneas looks very promising, and I'm excited about it. I want this story to be good. I hope that Blizzard doesn't treat this as the singular Alliance vs Horde story, but treats what's going on in Lordaeron and Kalimdor as two separate things. Hopefully a story for the Night Elves on Kalimdor will be just as fleshed out.
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I sympathize with being disappointed in the story that your favorite race is given. I have never been a big night elf fan. The just didn't interest me. I never wanted them to have a lame story though. Ideally every different race would have a good story, nice thematic zones, and a good amount of exposure.

I've always been someone that like Stromgarde, Dwarves, and then the rest of the Humans the most. I never wanted the other races in the Alliance, or any of the races in the Horde(Sans maybe the Forsaken around the time of Cataclysm) to just be shitted on and not have an enjoyable story.

So many Draenei and Night Elf fans just actively rooted and hoped for any story involving Humans to feel like complete shit for people who liked them.

I don't think that WoW's story has been at all good for Humans despite the amount of face time they've gotten. The stuff involving Lordaeron, Stromgarde, and Gilneas looks very promising, and I'm excited about it. I want this story to be good. I hope that Blizzard doesn't treat this as the singular Alliance vs Horde story, but treats what's going on in Lordaeron and Kalimdor as two separate things. Hopefully a story for the Night Elves on Kalimdor will be just as fleshed out.
I'm actually inclined to agree that humans haven't gotten great stories either. They seem to be defined by their theming, and their position as "leaders of the Alliance" I think is holding them back.

Now, I can't speak for others, but I certainly wouldn't want fans of any race to feel like shit for liking them. That's what Blizzard is doing to me after all and think it's abusive. I don't mind human content at all. But when the writers decided to take steps to ensure that it was all we got? That bugged me.

It really started in Mists of Pandaria, when they were putting Night Elves in human armor and tabards, and undermining Tyrande so that Varian could look better. Human content could never exist on its own, it had to swallow everyone up because, as I've explicated several times already: the writers found it easier to do than to make stories and characters for several playable races, all with their own morals, themes, motives, and characteristics.

So, human content wasn't just human content. It was an existential threat to non-human content.... and I posit that it's the reason for Night Elf 9/11.

But no, in summary I don't think you should feel bad for liking humans or wanting human content. I just didn't want it to destroy the content that I liked, which... unfortunately it did.
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Old 11-04-2017, 03:42 PM
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Well, Blizzard is going to have its own server for classic WoW, so there's that. I might just retreat there if this next expac doesn't work out too well (too soon to say, I know, but if night elves can't have any Kalimdor territory after Teldrassil's fall, I'm going to be angry).
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Well, Blizzard is going to have its own server for classic WoW, so there's that. I might just retreat there if this next expac doesn't work out too well (too soon to say, I know, but if night elves can't have any Kalimdor territory after Teldrassil's fall, I'm going to be angry).
Well, for precedent, I remember back in Cataclysm, the optimistic prediction was "Oh, but with phasing technology, it's totally going to be more dynamic. The Night Elves are going to be given victories in subsequent patches, you'll see!"

We know how that went.

I don't see why you wouldn't already be angry though. If I had said "at this rate, the Horde is going to burn down Teldrassil" even a month ago (assuming I was around), I would have been called a hysterical lunatic with a persecution complex. It's hard to imagine a bigger middle finger than this.
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Well, for precedent, I remember back in Cataclysm, the optimistic prediction was "Oh, but with phasing technology, it's totally going to be more dynamic. The Night Elves are going to be given victories in subsequent patches, you'll see!"

We know how that went.

I don't see why you wouldn't already be angry though. If I had said "at this rate, the Horde is going to burn down Teldrassil" even a month ago (assuming I was around), I would have been called a hysterical lunatic with a persecution complex. It's hard to imagine a bigger middle finger than this.
Being kicked out of Hyjal would do it for me. I had been waiting for Hyjal for a long time and if it meant having to share it with the Horde, I didn't mind. But if the Horde took over it entirely, that would basically make me ragequit and remain on the classic server.
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Old 11-04-2017, 04:29 PM
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Being kicked out of Hyjal would do it for me. I had been waiting for Hyjal for a long time and if it meant having to share it with the Horde, I didn't mind. But if the Horde took over it entirely, that would basically make me ragequit and remain on the classic server.
I guess for me personally, the Classic server doesn't mean all that much. The existing lore would still be hanging around, bothering me.

Though, I am mildly interested to see which gets more players: the classic servers or the current ones.
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I guess for me personally, the Classic server doesn't mean all that much. The existing lore would still be hanging around, bothering me.

Though, I am mildly interested to see which gets more players: the classic servers or the current ones.
Curious, what was it about the old lore of the night elves in classic WoW that bothered you? The unresolved stuff about the Emerald Dream?
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Curious, what was it about the old lore of the night elves in classic WoW that bothered you? The unresolved stuff about the Emerald Dream?
Oh, sorry, I think I wasn't clear in my meaning. When I say the existing lore, I mean the lore prevalent in the current game as opposed to the classic one.

I don't have many problems with how they did classic. It did a great job of making you seem like a small part of a very big world, while also telling some interesting stories. But, would I be able to justify giving Blizzard money just because of that given what they're doing with the mainline lore? Absolutely not.
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