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Old 03-20-2018, 10:57 AM
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That is really rough Krainz, I though Brazil was more stable and free than "army in the streets." Hopefully this doesn't spiral into a dictatorship nor a revolution since neither of those tends to turn out well.

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On similarly shitty news: I can't READ most of the stuff on the twitter accounts Kir gave us to use to keep track of shit in the Ukraine, but it seems like stuff's still shitty there too.
It is a (mostly) frozen conflict. Both sides just do their own thing. There is no progress with negotiations. While occasionally both sides (but mainly the govt.) declare that total victory is imminent it seems to be BS, only small border skirmishes are happening.
It is likely to remain a contested territory stuck in limbo like Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and similar. Though there is more cause for hope in this case since a mutually acceptable solution to the Donbas issue might be a prerequisite for the end of sanctions which Russia certainly wants.
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That is really rough Krainz, I though Brazil was more stable and free than "army in the streets." Hopefully this doesn't spiral into a dictatorship nor a revolution since neither of those tends to turn out well.
Most people are protesting against Marielle's death since that's actually the first dictatorial act of repression.

First as in, the starting one
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Old 04-03-2018, 04:55 AM
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Old 04-04-2018, 10:06 AM
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The translation to english is at the bottom.


Meanwhile, over at Rio..






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Brazil's ex-President Lula must go to prison on corruption charges pending appeal, Supreme Court judges rule by 6-5

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Old 04-26-2018, 02:55 PM
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The hell is going on over there? Apparently banning butter knives wasn't enough so now they need to ban videos of guns?
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:20 AM
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The hell is going on over there? Apparently banning butter knives wasn't enough so now they need to ban videos of guns?
Hmm. Gee. If only there were a deep and near unrestricted cultural love and respect for the concept of Freedom of Speech and expression to stop laws and companies from restricting peoples views, hobbies, and interests.

It's almost like someone has been saying this was going to happen.
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Old 04-27-2018, 12:37 PM
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Hmm. Gee. If only there were a deep and near unrestricted cultural love and respect for the concept of Freedom of Speech and expression to stop laws and companies from restricting peoples views, hobbies, and interests.

It's almost like someone has been saying this was going to happen.
Weren't you one of the people that held firm to the idea that private companies should be able to deny service to whomever they want for any or no reason?
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Old 04-27-2018, 01:20 PM
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Weren't you one of the people that held firm to the idea that private companies should be able to deny service to whomever they want for any or no reason?
Nope.

I've even said bigger companies like Google, Twitter, Facebook (I.E. companies that are, for all intents and purposes major social and public forums) need to be forced to be apolitical.

But you are probably referring to the gay baker debate, where my stance was that the Baker could not turn away selling or serving them, but he could turn away a request to do a job that fell afoul of his personal beliefs.

So, as an example..
LBGT couple walks in, kisses, PDA, et all. Buy a cake. Buy bread. Buy pastries. He cannot turn them away. This is ok

LBGT couple walks in, asks him to decorate a cake celebrating their union, he should be able to say no, it's against my beliefs. This is ok.

LBGT couple walks in, picks out something to buy, Baker refuses to sell them anything. This is not ok.
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Old 05-01-2018, 04:49 PM
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The Brazilian populace reacting to our current president Michel Temer walking on the streets

https://www.facebook.com/asocial.ana...8662996255815/

Michel Temer is seen as a coup enforcer and a common shout is "FORA TEMER", which means "get out (from the presidency) Temer".
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Old 05-27-2018, 02:37 PM
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This looks like things are spiraling downwards. Is that true or are things at a constant level of bad? Or improving maybe?
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Old 05-27-2018, 07:34 PM
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Is that true or are things at a constant level of bad? Or improving maybe?
Yes. I see no improvement anywhere whatsoever. Our current president has like 5% approval rating and 72% rejection, according to some sources.
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Yes. I see no improvement anywhere whatsoever. Our current president has like 5% approval rating and 72% rejection, according to some sources.
That is really bad, I truly hope things move for the better, and quickly.
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Old 06-02-2018, 08:42 AM
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Yes. I see no improvement anywhere whatsoever. Our current president has like 5% approval rating and 72% rejection, according to some sources.
So...what's this I hear about Bolsonaro and a potential call for a military dictatorship? Seems interesting.
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Old 06-02-2018, 10:51 AM
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So...what's this I hear about Bolsonaro and a potential call for a military dictatorship? Seems interesting.
It's because these people lack education. They are pissed at the whole government and they want a military intervention wreck the corrupts and put some order in the house.

Thing is, they have no idea that during our military dictatorship (from 1964 to 1985), corruption became even harder to trace and identify, and we had a stupidly high percentage of economic inflation.

Not to mention that, if there was a military regime in place, they wouldn't be allowed to make any kind of protest.

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https://www.quora.com/Was-Brazil-les...y-dictatorship

http://bit.ly/2Jal2Yh
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:10 AM
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This week in Brazil:

Masters, doctorate and postdoctorate students risk not getting payment in 2019





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Old 10-07-2018, 01:19 PM
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This is Brazil today:

The following tweet is denouncing illegal acts from people during the presidential elections, such as using a cellphone or wielding a gun while voting




In the state of Paraná a woman was arrested because she bathed the electoral urn with blood from her menstrual pad. What gave away her identity was the fact that she forgot her documents at the place, and so the police went to arrest her at home.




Someone was arrested because they smashed an electronic urn with a hammer




After arguing with a pro-Bolsonaro voter, woman starts giving birth in an electoral session




Eight electronic urns had the number 7 removed or damaged in the state of São Paulo

(the number 7 is one of Bolsonaro's numbers, 17)





Brazilians are fucking crazy. Stay away from them.

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And you wonder what would be the result with such insane people voting in this country...




If you are a conservative and you are thinking "it can't be this bad, guy must be just like Trump and the biased media is against him", think again. It is THAT bad. Trump is a liberal next to this guy.

Pick a subject and try to justify that:

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Old 10-14-2018, 01:42 AM
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Is there nostalgia for the military dictatorship from some part of the population ?
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Old 10-14-2018, 03:23 AM
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Yes but its mostly rose-tinted glasses

People want the military in charge because they are sick of corrupt politicians

Problem is, our education is so bad that our own people isn't aware that the military was even more corrupt, and innocents were tortured and children taken from their parents

Not to mention the control on press and media

There's a video of a truck driver saying he supports the military and wants them in charge, and in a matter of seconds a soldier comes and inspects him, telling him to move out of the way afterwards. The old man then complains about having no freedom
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Old 10-19-2018, 11:57 AM
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https://www.france24.com/en/20181019...mpaign-finance

"Haddad’s accusations came after Brazilian newspaper Folha de S.Paulo published a report earlier in the day alleging that Bolsonaro had asked well-heeled supporters to bankroll the spread of fake news via third-party agencies. The article claimed that each spent up to 12 million reais ($3.26 million) on attack ads."







Folha's article translated to english: http://bit.ly/2CtQ8cL
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Old 10-19-2018, 01:50 PM
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It's because these people lack education. They are pissed at the whole government and they want a military intervention wreck the corrupts and put some order in the house.

Thing is, they have no idea that during our military dictatorship (from 1964 to 1985), corruption became even harder to trace and identify, and we had a stupidly high percentage of economic inflation.

Not to mention that, if there was a military regime in place, they wouldn't be allowed to make any kind of protest.

More info:

https://www.quora.com/Was-Brazil-les...y-dictatorship

http://bit.ly/2Jal2Yh
Historically speaking, "Far right" military dictatorships are "better" than neo-communist states. Between other things, the number of thieves goes drastically down, far less than a hundred, while neo-communism has tens of thousands of bribed civil servants working for it, making it a bigger and more dangerous monster. It's a matter of structure. Authoritarianism is awful, but totalitarianism is far even worse, and far more destructive.

Your country is rotting in garbage, and your "freedom" is a sweet fake bait. You don't actually own anything of which you fear losing. You've been lied to. And you ain't the only country enslaved by this system, look at mine, Spain, from bad, it's gone to pretty much hell in a matter of months. Our current socialist president (which got to the position through a manipulated vote of no coincidence) has threatened the tiny few newspapers that don't lick his ass a few times already, and I don't mean Trump-tier trolling, and I'm talking about constant veiled threats.

Meanwhile, all his friends are getting into positions of power: A 20-year old nuclear veteran got replaced by a socialist philosopher, her wife is teaching at the university in a course created specially for her to teach, wives of his ministers are getting ambassador posts, half the staff of the public TV was fired and replaced by party affiliates, etc. Multiple cases of corruption have been unveiled inside the government in the last months, including: millionaire tax evasion, police being told not to act against far left urban guerrilla, judges covering accusations of pedophilia, unions spending public money on drugs and prostitution, and even the actual president having forged his doctoral thesis. If that's not enough, he was caught having a secret meeting with George fucking Soros, in the middle of a migrant crisis.

And the media doesn't say a word about it, except a few newspapers. Every single TV, except irrelevant secondary channels, is licking the ass of the socialist party. We have millions of unemployed Spaniards, yet they want to bring more migrants, because we need more workers for some reason, even if we don't have any work to begin with, and plan to raise taxes even higher, so everyone and their mother sympathizing with the party gets their usual handouts. The worse part? This was always there, but it didn't get properly uncovered until recently, with the sheer insolence and ineptitude of the current government.

The surge of the "far right" all over the world is the result of democracy failing to withstand totalitarian corruption. When the moderates can't do their job, it's time to trust the lesser evil, the authoritarians. Obedience is a cheap price to pay when the menace of religion-tier brainwashing looms in the horizon.

It's going to get nasty, and I wish you luck, but once the night is over, you'll have a brighter day ahead of you. Some of us are pretty much damned to an eternal night, which is now called day by decree.

You probably can't understand any of this, because one, you lack basic empathy and comprehension for those who live in literal shit, and two, you live too well and don't even know how that could feel. To all of those living in the deepest of miseries, a dictatorship will be a godsent. The only thing they need to do is one, extirpate the parasites hoarding the resources, and two, improve their lives (in part using those resources), which is actually super easy to do. It's incredible how many democracies are unable to feed their poorest, yet dictatorships can fix all of those problems in a few years, even months. But it's supposed to be a bad system, right? Tell that to those starving.

When you have lung cancer, you need chemotherapy. That's what you get for smoking garbage for years and years on end. At least you got diagnosed in time, many others won't, and will drown in their own blood, my own country included, I fear. We're pretty much in a pre-French Revolution scenario, worldwide, and we'll see major civil wars across multiple "advanced" countries in a few decades. Call me crazy, but I envy how you're getting to clean house early on, before the real shitshow begins. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I don't have any hope left about democracies being able to fix this shit the moderate way anymore.
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I hope that works out for you guys, Krainz. Bolsonaro needs to be taken down. Don't listen to the fascist apologists.
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Given the little I know about the ministers of the Supreme Court, I think they're going to look the other way and Bolsonaro is going to be elected.

I mean, it's not like South America can ever escape its own fate.
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Old 10-20-2018, 04:24 AM
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I hope that works out for you guys, Krainz. Bolsonaro needs to be taken down. Don't listen to the fascist apologists.
I love how every "leftist" is unable to understand what's going on.

The working class is supposed to be represented by the left, yet they are massively voting for these "far right" parties instead.

And yeah, keep insulting them, instead of addressing their problems, because that worked so well in the past.

The "holier than thou" attitude needs to be gone, and you need to listen to other's ideas and problems. Your truth isn't universal, and you can't force your ideals down others' throats "just because it's the right way".

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Given the little I know about the ministers of the Supreme Court, I think they're going to look the other way and Bolsonaro is going to be elected.

I mean, it's not like South America can ever escape its own fate.
If there's any semblance of cheating and he doesn't win, you might as well be facing a military coup anyway. The can of worms is open, and there's no stopping it now. Don't let yourselves get dragged into a pointless civil war that won't change anything in the long run. Thank god he survived that assassination attempt, else you could be in one now.

Want Spain as an example again? We had a military coup 70~ years ago, between the first and second world wars. Moderates had failed miserably, and communist were pretty much taking over the streets, while every other group (mining unions, the Church, other political parties, etc) were getting repressed to no end.

When political leaders started getting murdered, most of the military revolted. The socialist government (having won the last election against the right by shameless cheating) should have surrendered, but instead, they let the communist guerrillas take over, and the coup turned into a 3-year civil war, where the communist killed everyone who wanted to surrender (at one point exterminating the whole anarchist faction fighting besides them), and the fascists were keen on dragging on the war as long as possible to exhaust the enemy, even if that meant more death and misery, instead of the clean and quick victory they could easily achieve (the guerrillas had no chance against a professional army, even with Soviet weaponry). If things get ugly there, I'd expect a similar scenario.

If you want to do something useful, push personal freedom as a core value against the old regime. Don't let it die in the crossfire, don't let it get blamed for what's happened so far. The problem isn't freedom to do what you want, the problem is the lack of responsibility for each own's actions.
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