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Noitora 08-11-2015 05:32 AM

The Horde's Position going into the Legion Expansion
 
Orcs are still without a faction leader, and I doubt Thrall will be in a position to lead. The factions will be involved in more fighting, and we don't know what will happen to Sylvanas. Dalaran is going neutral again.

What's going to happen to the Horde?

Marthen 08-11-2015 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Noitora (Post 1350511)
Orcs are still without a faction leader, and I doubt Thrall will be in a position to lead. The factions will be involved in more fighting, and we don't know what will happen to Sylvanas. Dalaran is going neutral again.

What's going to happen to the Horde?

How do we know that factions will be involved in more fighting? From what I have seen or read so far, factions will be devastated and doing jack shit.

Noitora 08-11-2015 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Marthen (Post 1350514)
How do we know that factions will be involved in more fighting? From what I have seen or read so far, factions will be devastated and doing jack shit.

I meant faction conflict, and Greymane and Sylvanas will be involved in Legion at the very least.

Marthen 08-11-2015 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Noitora (Post 1350519)
I meant faction conflict, and Greymane and Sylvanas will be involved in Legion at the very least.

Yes, I know. But that was the thing I was asking about. Do we know if there will actually be a faction conflict? And I am not talking about emergent world PVP or Battlegrounds, but about a faction conflict as a part of the story.

Insipid_Lobster 08-11-2015 05:55 AM

There's probably going to be some Reliquary shit going down on Broken Isles.

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Originally Posted by Marthen (Post 1350521)
Yes, I know. But that was the thing I was asking about. Do we know if there will actually be faction conflict? And I am not talking about emergent world PVP or Battlegrounds, but faction conflict as a part of the story.

There's going to be tension between the factions, at least.

Noitora 08-11-2015 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Marthen (Post 1350521)
Yes, I know. But that was the thing I was asking about. Do we know if there will actually be a faction conflict? And I am not talking about emergent world PVP or Battlegrounds, but about a faction conflict as a part of the story.

Tension between the Horde and Alliance is an important part of the game and this expansion.

They also said that they'll be at each other's throats, and keep in mind they didn't consider Cata to be an actual war, so I'm expecting 5.1/Jade Forest style story but possibly larger.

Marthen 08-11-2015 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Noitora (Post 1350528)
Tension between the Horde and Alliance is an important part of the game and this expansion.

They also said that they'll be at each other's throats, and keep in mind they didn't consider Cata to be an actual war, so I'm expecting 5.1/Jade Forest style story but possibly larger.

I should have said that differently. Tension and isolated skirmishes are fine and as you said, are kind of given. I was talking more about some sort of an open, large scale conflict.

Edit: But I do not want to derail the thread with this. It was just a sincere question, as I have been wondering if I have missed something. Anyway, if I had a say in these matters, I would make Jorin Deadeye the orcish leader. Not only would that be kind of refreshing, as we would finally get a non-warrior orcish leader (even Thrall was warrior-shaman during his tenure as the Warchief), but given that he is basically just a blank page with "huge" name, I think they could make him work without any retcons, changes in characterization etc.

Kir the Wizard 08-11-2015 06:59 AM

What I want to see: Drak'thul and his Stormreaver Outcasts becoming Horde's main expansion rep faction.

What I expect: Troll and Blood elf lore regarding the origins of those races.

What I don't get how to align with this expansion: something about Silvie and the Forsaken.

Gromak 08-11-2015 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kir the Wizard (Post 1350552)
What I want to see: Drak'thul and his Stormreaver Outcasts becoming Horde's main expansion rep faction.

That would be really neat. If Drak'thul doesn't show up, I'm gonna be really disappointed.

Kir the Wizard 08-11-2015 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gromak (Post 1350553)
That would be really neat. If Drak'thul doesn't show up, I'm gonna be really disappointed.

At least as an NPC, not as a raid boss. :(

Maybe make him a Lorewalker Cho kind of figure?

Hammerbrew 08-11-2015 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gromak (Post 1350553)
If Drak'thul doesn't show up, I'm gonna be really disappointed.

Word.

Apep 08-11-2015 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kir the Wizard (Post 1350562)
At least as an NPC, not as a raid boss. :(

Maybe make him a Lorewalker Cho kind of figure?

A crotchety, morally ambiguous, dispenser of unreliable backstory that nonetheless works in our best interest?

http://33.media.tumblr.com/471e628a7...ouhxo1_500.gif

Kir the Wizard 08-11-2015 07:31 AM

Drak'thul was also one of the first "Neutral NPCs". He gave a quest to Maiev, for pity's sake!

BaronGrackle 08-11-2015 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kir the Wizard (Post 1350552)
What I want to see: Drak'thul and his Stormreaver Outcasts becoming Horde's main expansion rep faction.

The Stormreavers should have become the class group for Warlocks, like the Silver Hand became for Paladins.

Who is the class group for Warlocks?

Nazja 08-11-2015 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BaronGrackle (Post 1350578)
The Stormreavers should have become the class group for Warlocks, like the Silver Hand became for Paladins.

Who is the class group for Warlocks?

Probably the Council of the Black Harvest.

Noitora 08-11-2015 07:48 AM

Black Harvest?

Kir the Wizard 08-11-2015 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BaronGrackle (Post 1350578)
The Stormreavers should have become the class group for Warlocks, like the Silver Hand became for Paladins.

Who is the class group for Warlocks?

It should be New Shadow Council, because it actually is known for hiring members of different races.

Stormreavers are not Warlock-only, they have different classes.

Nazja 08-11-2015 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kir the Wizard (Post 1350581)
It should be New Shadow Council, because it actually is known for hiring members of different races.

Stormreavers are not Warlock-only, they have different classes.

That would be awkward, after spending all of WoD killing Shadow Council members.

Kir the Wizard 08-11-2015 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nazja (Post 1350582)
That would be awkward, after spending all of WoD killing Shadow Council members.

AU Stuff = Irrelevant.

Black Harvest is such a corny name. It makes you feel like some unlucky farmer, instead of a shadowy warlock.

Noitora 08-11-2015 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kir the Wizard (Post 1350581)
It should be New Shadow Council, because it actually is known for hiring members of different races.

Stormreavers are not Warlock-only, they have different classes.

Pretty sure the Shadow Council is pro-Legion. Black Harvest is anti-Legion. Besides, we're assuming that all of these class halls will have faction names. We're not even sure if Blizzard will still call the Paladin one the Silver Hand.

Kir the Wizard 08-11-2015 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Noitora (Post 1350585)
Pretty sure the Shadow Council is pro-Legion. Black Harvest is anti-Legion. Besides, we're assuming that all of these class halls will have faction names. We're not even sure if Blizzard will still call the Paladin one the Silver Hand.

We're making out own New Shadow Council, with blackjack and succubi.

Nazja 08-11-2015 07:56 AM

Demon Hunters will get the cooler version anyways, so why even care? :3

Kir the Wizard 08-11-2015 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nazja (Post 1350589)
Demon Hunters will get the cooler version anyways, so why even care? :3

DHs will have some Illidari Council, it is irrelevant to us orcish warlocks.

Noitora 08-11-2015 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kir the Wizard (Post 1350593)
DHs will have some Illidari Council, it is irrelevant to us orcish warlocks.

That's not how class halls work.

Taintedmage 08-11-2015 08:38 AM

If I understand correctly, the entire lore reason why the class factions are supposedly getting together is because the Horde and Alliance are too busy at each other's throats (again) in order to effectively deal with the Legion so it's basically up to the "neutrals" to stop the Legion since the others just can't stop killing each other.

Now, of all the people who are likely to cause shit who do you think will cause the most shit? The most obvious cases would be the legitimate grievances of Gilneas and Sylvanas, since she's a bitch.

The Darkspear trolls, Tauren, goblins,Blood Elves aren't really the type to wage war really.
The Orcs had their Orc hitler killed and Thrall and Saurfang are still around so no more Orc Hitlers so that leaves the Forsaken.

Jaina might wage war and Varian is possible if the Horde fucks up again, Night Elves have already pushed the Orcs out so that's unlikely to cause more of an issue while Dranei and Gnomes wont. Dwarves might if Moira fucks around abit more or again Sylvanas issues happen thus leaving Gilneas.

Huh...
I can only really see the biggest obstacle to peace or to war as either being an Orc Hitler or Sylvanas, everything else peace would be likely.

We'll have to wait and see.

BaronGrackle 08-11-2015 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Taintedmage (Post 1350609)
If I understand correctly, the entire lore reason why the class factions are supposedly getting together is because the Horde and Alliance are too busy at each other's throats (again)

I betcha the popularity of Hearthstone has made people start to identify more strongly with their class, than with their faction. Eh? Eh? :naughty:

Kir the Wizard 08-11-2015 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Taintedmage (Post 1350609)
If I understand correctly, the entire lore reason why the class factions are supposedly getting together is because the Horde and Alliance are too busy at each other's throats (again) in order to effectively deal with the Legion so it's basically up to the "neutrals" to stop the Legion since the others just can't stop killing each other.

Maybe it's just a commentary on the fact that "faction dualism" exists at all. I mean, 'The Cycle of Hatred' was supposedly about "how Alliance and Horde came into war by the time of WoW". Which they didn't.

Marthen 08-11-2015 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Taintedmage (Post 1350609)
If I understand correctly, the entire lore reason why the class factions are supposedly getting together is because the Horde and Alliance are too busy at each other's throats (again) in order to effectively deal with the Legion so it's basically up to the "neutrals" to stop the Legion since the others just can't stop killing each other.

As far as I know, not really. I watched the presentation, read the interviews and web, and I think this is not really a case. It is just a misconception, albeit the one founded upon Blizzard's clumsy writing (once again). Yes, there is this quote, but as they explained in the same presentation (and in subsequent interviews) this quote appeared in, it is not really meant as; the Alliance and Horde are fighting each other instead of fighting the Legion, so the class orders need to do it for them, but more as; after the Broken Shore, the Alliance and Horde are devastated and in a state of complete disarray, yet even in this situation, they are not able to work together and blame each other for the whole situation, so the class orders need to it for them. It might look as a minor difference, but in my opinion, while the first one is nonsensical, the second one actually is plausible, to a degree.

Kir the Wizard 08-12-2015 04:48 AM

I understood all that from the first sight of the quote. How could anyone think "OMG, war again!"?

Feltongue 08-12-2015 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kir the Wizard (Post 1350584)
AU Stuff = Irrelevant.

Black Harvest is such a corny name. It makes you feel like some unlucky farmer, instead of a shadowy warlock.

I better get a fanged skull throne, hanging cages with gyrating succubi and a bloodstained Altar of Storms.

Marthen 08-12-2015 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kir the Wizard (Post 1351048)
I understood all that from the first sight of the quote. How could anyone think "OMG, war again!"?

Because people became so jaded that they always think of the worst possible outcome, even if it is clearly not a case.

Noitora 08-12-2015 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Marthen (Post 1351059)
Because people became so jaded that they always think of the worst possible outcome, even if it is clearly not a case.

Do you think this is the case? We're going by history.

Apep 08-12-2015 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Feltongue (Post 1351058)
I better get a fanged skull throne, hanging cages with gyrating succubi and a bloodstained Altar of Storms.

You could just make your own Black Harvest, with blackjack and hookers.

Siegrune 08-12-2015 08:06 AM

Real orcish warlocks play bones, not blackjack.

ijffdrie 08-12-2015 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Noitora (Post 1350599)
That's not how class halls work.

The only true warlocks are orc warlocks?

I mean, gnomish and human warlocks are just bi-curious mages, troll warlocks are really confused priests, dwarf warlocks are cultural exchange students, blood elf warlocks are merely trying to be trendy and who knows what's up with worgen warlocks anyway.

Westlee 08-12-2015 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Marthen (Post 1351059)
Because people became so jaded that they always think of the worst possible outcome, even if it is clearly not a case.

I expect the worst, and am never disappointed.

Apep 08-12-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ijffdrie (Post 1351365)
The only true warlocks are orc warlocks?

I mean, gnomish and human warlocks are just bi-curious mages, troll warlocks are really confused priests, dwarf warlocks are cultural exchange students, blood elf warlocks are merely trying to be trendy and who knows what's up with worgen warlocks anyway.

But orc Warlocks are just duped Shaman.

ijffdrie 08-12-2015 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Apep (Post 1351378)
But orc Warlocks are just duped Shaman.

That was the first generation. True warlocks are the ones descended from the Stormreaver legacy, as well as the fel lords of the shattered realm of Draenor.

Feltongue 08-12-2015 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Apep (Post 1351142)
You could just make your own Black Harvest, with blackjack and hookers.

I actually got Challenger with my team Red Harvest.
We even had a hooker.

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Originally Posted by ijffdrie (Post 1351365)
The only true warlocks are orc warlocks?

I mean, gnomish and human warlocks are just bi-curious mages, troll warlocks are really confused priests, dwarf warlocks are cultural exchange students, blood elf warlocks are merely trying to be trendy and who knows what's up with worgen warlocks anyway.

What about dead humans?

ijffdrie 08-12-2015 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Feltongue (Post 1351530)
What about dead humans?

I'll be honest, I'm not sure what exactly their lore background is. Were they already warlocks in life?


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