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Mutterscrawl 01-07-2021 08:42 AM

The 2021 Political Chaos Thread
 
So, we made it what... five days into the New Year before a bunch of MAGA domestic terrorists decided to attack the capitol and we learned police have been so corrupted by White Supremacist jackoffs that they just let them?

Sterling start for a new year.


I'm going to start off and say that the domestic terrorists in the capitol at the moment are not the same as the BLM protests and anyone who thinks they're in any way comparable is a dumbass.

Feltongue 01-07-2021 09:05 AM

Anyone actually surprised raise their hand.

Cantus 01-07-2021 09:11 AM

Is there a way to lower one's hand further down? Do I need to remove it and place it in a submersible?

ijffdrie 01-07-2021 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Feltongue (Post 1626924)
Anyone actually surprised raise their hand.

It was kinda less of a mess than I expected, so I guess I am mildly surprised?

The people simultaneously carrying the thin blue line and gadsden flag was a funny irony though, especially when they got in a fight with the police.

I also saw someone that was inexplicably carrying both the Japanese and Korean flags.

Cantus 01-07-2021 10:02 AM

It always impresses me that there are people who are both weeaboos and koreaboos at the same time. But, given their logic there, it's not surprising they'd show up to a white power rally.

Morvant 01-07-2021 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutterscrawl (Post 1626923)
So, we made it what... five days into the New Year before a bunch of MAGA domestic terrorists decided to attack the capitol and we learned police have been so corrupted by White Supremacist jackoffs that they just let them?

Come on Sarm, let's not squander the value of the word terrorist here.
Or waste righteous anger on such a circus.

I think it went surprisingly well.
It seems to me that they were let in to make the situation more manageable and because this was a herd of grotesque buffoons that posed little threat.
If anything I'd applaud the handling of the situation.
There was very little casualties, all things considered.

So :
1/ The institutions of your country were solid enough to withstand having a shit flinging troglodyte at their head for a full mandate and transition to another head of state.

2/ Your far right "domestic terrorists" are so inept that with months of preparations, such a massive crowd, with the support of the aforementioned troglodyte doing all his worst with the levers at his disposal, all they have to show for it is a half-naked dude with bison horns taking selfies with his red-neck pals in empty corridors. They are beyond ridiculed.

3/ You have a new president, who, even if you were pessimistic about it, presently still has the colossal merit of not being his predecessor.

Count your blessings.
Enjoy victory while the business as usual of politics hasn't yet come in to sour it.
Keep your anger for more dangerous and less idiotic adversaries.

Feltongue 01-09-2021 09:54 AM

Uh why belittle this tho?
Belittle the mouthbreathing, far right troglodytes, sure but the event is scary and we had far righters on the steps of our Reichstag just few months ago.
I do agree it could have been worse but it shouldn't even come so far, should it?
I'm getting kinda sick of people here in the "West" looking at the authocratic, right wing bs that's happening in the "East" and scoffing cause that shit can't happen here while that tumor is spreading all over the world. All that shit is being normalized and downplayed with hehe memes, "but them Antifa" and the weird idea that being a far right shithead is some sort of counterculture now and people in power actively encouraging them to be their worst self.

Mutterscrawl 01-09-2021 01:32 PM

Fel pretty much summed up my thoughts

Dudes went there with pipe bombs and had intended to take legislators hostage

There is no universe where we're "overreacting" to this just because they were too disorganized to capitalize on the fact that most of the Capitol police are white supremacists

Feltongue 01-09-2021 03:06 PM

It sets a shitty precedent at the minimum, if some idiots didn't make it this time but got this far, what about the next group (and sorry, in a country where it's that easy to get weapons, and that goes both ways, shooting and being shot, I'm somewhat less scared here but considering the brown shit is seeping through police and military as well ...).

spidey1980 01-10-2021 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutterscrawl (Post 1626930)
Fel pretty much summed up my thoughts

Dudes went there with pipe bombs and had intended to take legislators hostage

Not hostage. They intended to execute them. They were shouting that all over the place, they went in with zip ties and they had a gallows errected outside.

Cantus 01-11-2021 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spidey1980 (Post 1626932)
Not hostage. They intended to execute them. They were shouting that all over the place, they went in with zip ties and they had a gallows errected outside.

I'm pretty sure it was both. Take hostages and execute anyone who didn't convert.

Also, and separately:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/

This is why you don't ask people to give up their IRL IDs if you're running a spaghetti code operation.

Kakwakas 01-11-2021 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantus (Post 1626933)
I'm pretty sure it was both. Take hostages and execute anyone who didn't convert.

Also, and separately:
https://twitter.com/bitburner/status...58563019427842
https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/

This is why you don't ask people to give up their IRL IDs if you're running a spaghetti code operation.

I told you we were back. We started this mess. We'll finish it.

Gab next.

Cantus 01-12-2021 12:23 AM

So I'm on Demcord (or at least one of them) and they're parsing the geotags now. I feel guilty as fuck, but I made a meme...https://i.redd.it/i5a63jv01va61.jpg

Saranus 01-12-2021 09:46 AM

Hi everyone! Well looky here. I came to trawl the archives for some "Aged Like Milk" material from 4-5 years ago.

Saranus 01-12-2021 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morvant (Post 1626928)
Come on Sarm, let's not squander the value of the word terrorist here.
Or waste righteous anger on such a circus.

I think it went surprisingly well.
It seems to me that they were let in to make the situation more manageable and because this was a herd of grotesque buffoons that posed little threat.
If anything I'd applaud the handling of the situation.
There was very little casualties, all things considered.

So :
1/ The institutions of your country were solid enough to withstand having a shit flinging troglodyte at their head for a full mandate and transition to another head of state.

2/ Your far right "domestic terrorists" are so inept that with months of preparations, such a massive crowd, with the support of the aforementioned troglodyte doing all his worst with the levers at his disposal, all they have to show for it is a half-naked dude with bison horns taking selfies with his red-neck pals in empty corridors. They are beyond ridiculed.

3/ You have a new president, who, even if you were pessimistic about it, presently still has the colossal merit of not being his predecessor.

Count your blessings.
Enjoy victory while the business as usual of politics hasn't yet come in to sour it.
Keep your anger for more dangerous and less idiotic adversaries.

Bad take. This riot was proof of concept. They will lick their wounds and come back with a better plan. Yes, we should make fun of their failure relentlessly, but also not downplay the very real danger they present and how close they actually came to kidnappings/executions. Hitler didn't come into power the day after the Beer Hall Putsch.

Betting pool on which (former) SoLers were at the Trump Insurrection? Lots of divorced, low-T, boomer dad energy in that crowd. If they go to jail, Alex Jones is going to lose out on a lot dick powder revenue.

Feltongue 01-12-2021 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saranus (Post 1626936)
Hi everyone! Well looky here. I came to trawl the archives for some "Aged Like Milk" material from 4-5 years ago.

I'll put that on my shelf next to "riots only happen in Europe where police brutality is through the roof" and "Cryptofascists aren't really a problem".

Straight strong you"middle men/women".

Cantus 01-12-2021 08:05 PM

My question is, would Hammerbrew have been there, or have missed it because he was already arrested for something else?

spidey1980 01-13-2021 12:13 AM

Wasn't Hammerbrew from the UK?

Cantus 01-13-2021 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spidey1980 (Post 1626940)
Wasn't Hammerbrew from the UK?

I mean, there were MAGA protests in Canada, so I could entirely see him joining in.

Cantus 01-13-2021 08:09 AM

So scary note, intel researchers are seeing a big drop in communication on known extremist networks post Jan 6th, and are 100% sure that militia members traded contact info during the rally. They're starting to look around for other notable locations (beyond Gab) where these folks are going to be talking up their insanity.

Kakwakas 01-14-2021 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saranus (Post 1626936)
Hi everyone! Well looky here. I came to trawl the archives for some "Aged Like Milk" material from 4-5 years ago.

I saved this one years ago:
https://i.imgur.com/5O1ITBg.png

Feltongue 01-14-2021 02:59 PM

Orange Copium already ran a plenty

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantus (Post 1626941)
I mean, there were MAGA protests in Canada, so I could entirely see him joining in.

Ayy you heard about that German news reporter who turned Alt Right and started a boot camp in Canada for people ready to bring freedumbs to their home country?
Sorry.
Neonazis are not a problem - quote someone

Kakwakas 01-14-2021 03:24 PM

Hey do you guys remember when some users tried to say that my response to the increasingly obviously violent American far-right was me buying more ammo was somehow threatening or something? I remember.

Cantus 01-15-2021 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kakwakas (Post 1626946)
Hey do you guys remember when some users tried to say that my response to the increasingly obviously violent American far-right was me buying more ammo was somehow threatening or something? I remember.

I mean, it was a bad idea given what happened on the 6th. The problem is that you're one person and they're a mob, and both groups have large quantities of firearms, ammunition, etc. They just have more that can be used at once.

The thing that's going to protect you from them is a police force/FBi/national guard that isn't them and thinks they're nuts. Otherwise, you, me, and everyone else is kinda shit out of luck.

Plus, if you really do want to deal with a hundred angry MAGATs, a chemistry or physics degree is going to be far more useful. They can't kill people if they're unable to move from pain/other non-lethal deterrents. Or just give them a fuckton of alcohol, get them wasted, then drive their unconscious asses to the nearest prison. May have to be organic moonshine though, apparently they've gone new age crystal stupid as well.

Saranus 01-16-2021 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantus (Post 1626947)
I mean, it was a bad idea given what happened on the 6th. The problem is that you're one person and they're a mob, and both groups have large quantities of firearms, ammunition, etc. They just have more that can be used at once.

The thing that's going to protect you from them is a police force/FBi/national guard that isn't them and thinks they're nuts. Otherwise, you, me, and everyone else is kinda shit out of luck.

Plus, if you really do want to deal with a hundred angry MAGATs, a chemistry or physics degree is going to be far more useful. They can't kill people if they're unable to move from pain/other non-lethal deterrents. Or just give them a fuckton of alcohol, get them wasted, then drive their unconscious asses to the nearest prison. May have to be organic moonshine though, apparently they've gone new age crystal stupid as well.

lol, psycho.

Cantus 01-16-2021 10:45 PM

What? No one here write a hero backed in a corner by an angry mob moment into their material? I thought that was standard stuff?

C9H20 01-23-2021 11:50 PM

Eh I think you guys have completely lost the script. You are just as far gone as the ones you mock just in the opposite direction. But ofc you don't see it, they don't either, and you don't care to talk or understand each other. It's not gonna end well.

Cantus 01-24-2021 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C9H20 (Post 1626951)
Eh I think you guys have completely lost the script. You are just as far gone as the ones you mock just in the opposite direction. But ofc you don't see it, they don't either, and you don't care to talk or understand each other. It's not gonna end well.

QAnon thinks that lizard people, baby cannibals, and pedophiles are running the government and that Donald Trump (who associated with Jeffrey Epstein/has gone on tape talking about ogling underage girls, who's a known racist [see how he managed his properties], and who has been told he's legally not allowed to run a charity because he's used them to fraudulently enrich himself) is the savior of all mankind. The Proud Boys are openly racist, the Oath Keepers openly insurrectionist, and Kekistan is about as close to Nazis as you can get without a Hitler mustache.

I don't think moderates/Dems lost the script, I think news didn't report just how batshit the crazies are.

And the only reason I ever talk about "mass, non-lethal self defense against a mob" is because people keep talking about guns as if there's no other alternative besides being raped and murdered by a mob. The first stage should be deprogramming and discussion, but if folks go to the nth stage in their beliefs (imminent violence), there are alternatives to lethal weapons.

Mutterscrawl 01-24-2021 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C9H20 (Post 1626951)
Eh I think you guys have completely lost the script. You are just as far gone as the ones you mock just in the opposite direction. But ofc you don't see it, they don't either, and you don't care to talk or understand each other. It's not gonna end well.

What exactly do we believe that you think is so off-script?

Saranus 01-26-2021 03:45 PM

Yeah, there are crazies on all sides. Some want to build an ethnostate and do genocide. Others want you to have high quality health care and a planet in the future.

-Signed, an enlightened Centrist.

C9H20 01-27-2021 06:18 AM

Really white supremacist, what was white supremacist about those people? Were there a few confed flags? I bet even people carrying them don't really care about white supremacy anymore, just rebellion and southern pride aesthetic. Were they white supremacy types there? Sure a couple, but there were probably a few communists as well. It doesn't define the character of the crowd. White power rally my ass.

And acting like those fools were some great threat come on. They were basically goofing around. They did none of the things people actually doing a coup do. They did not seize all government buildings and aggressively and mercilessly moved on people in power. Shooting anyone who stands in the way. They were sightseeing pretty much, it's a joke. Pretending this was some terrible, scary event is beyond ridiculous and wins you no points. It was just a bunch of idiotic vandals who will be dealt with accordingly.

Finally the US left has plenty of crazy you just conveniently choose to ignore it while focusing and imaging the rightwing crazy is the norm. Open borders, reign of terror masturbation fantasies, eat the rich, racial animosity, anarchy, childish understanding of economics and politics that would see America reduced to smoking rubble in months if implemented.
But you know I recognize those people are not the majority and hence I don't imply that about you guys. You have to put things into perspective and keep to the facts or you will plain be making bad moves.

That is the issue with America right now, you guys are incapable of putting things into perspective and sticking to the truth, you don't like each other, trust each other and you don't talk. As I've said it cannot end well. But hey it's your country you can burn it down if you like. Better than attacking other countries at least.

Saranus 01-27-2021 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by C9H20 (Post 1626955)
Really white supremacist, what was white supremacist about those people? Were there a few confed flags? I bet even people carrying them don't really care about white supremacy anymore, just rebellion and southern pride aesthetic. Were they white supremacy types there? Sure a couple, but there were probably a few communists as well. It doesn't define the character of the crowd. White power rally my ass.

And acting like those fools were some great threat come on. They were basically goofing around. They did none of the things people actually doing a coup do. They did not seize all government buildings and aggressively and mercilessly moved on people in power. Shooting anyone who stands in the way. They were sightseeing pretty much, it's a joke. Pretending this was some terrible, scary event is beyond ridiculous and wins you no points. It was just a bunch of idiotic vandals who will be dealt with accordingly.

Finally the US left has plenty of crazy you just conveniently choose to ignore it while focusing and imaging the rightwing crazy is the norm. Open borders, reign of terror masturbation fantasies, eat the rich, racial animosity, anarchy, childish understanding of economics and politics that would see America reduced to smoking rubble in months if implemented.
But you know I recognize those people are not the majority and hence I don't imply that about you guys. You have to put things into perspective and keep to the facts or you will plain be making bad moves.

That is the issue with America right now, you guys are incapable of putting things into perspective and sticking to the truth, you don't like each other, trust each other and you don't talk. As I've said it cannot end well. But hey it's your country you can burn it down if you like. Better than attacking other countries at least.

Lol the brain worms have bored deeply. The "lebothsides" meme was stale 10 years ago.

Cantus 01-27-2021 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C9H20 (Post 1626955)
Really white supremacist, what was white supremacist about those people? Were there a few confed flags? I bet even people carrying them don't really care about white supremacy anymore, just rebellion and southern pride aesthetic. Were they white supremacy types there? Sure a couple, but there were probably a few communists as well. It doesn't define the character of the crowd. White power rally my ass.

And acting like those fools were some great threat come on. They were basically goofing around. They did none of the things people actually doing a coup do. They did not seize all government buildings and aggressively and mercilessly moved on people in power. Shooting anyone who stands in the way. They were sightseeing pretty much, it's a joke. Pretending this was some terrible, scary event is beyond ridiculous and wins you no points. It was just a bunch of idiotic vandals who will be dealt with accordingly.

Finally the US left has plenty of crazy you just conveniently choose to ignore it while focusing and imaging the rightwing crazy is the norm. Open borders, reign of terror masturbation fantasies, eat the rich, racial animosity, anarchy, childish understanding of economics and politics that would see America reduced to smoking rubble in months if implemented.
But you know I recognize those people are not the majority and hence I don't imply that about you guys. You have to put things into perspective and keep to the facts or you will plain be making bad moves.

That is the issue with America right now, you guys are incapable of putting things into perspective and sticking to the truth, you don't like each other, trust each other and you don't talk. As I've said it cannot end well. But hey it's your country you can burn it down if you like. Better than attacking other countries at least.

Where are you getting your news? The more I hear from MSM, government, and academic sources, the more it appears that a huge proportion of the participants were associated with far right extremists, white supremacists, and conspiracy nuts. The Oath Keepers went so far as to do reconnaissance and planned to act as a death squad. Others planned to take hostages. The Pentagon (under Trump) blocked reinforcements.

The reason it failed isn't because the intent wasn't there, it's because the individuals chosen were largely idiotic and couldn't be guided enough to mob the secret service. Had they done so, the day would have gone far differently. That doesn't make the insurrection a good thing, because all it's done is show insurrectionists that an average group of people could accomplish the same thing more successfully.

Further, we've NEVER had a successful insurrection occur against congress in the last two hundred years. Historically, this is one of three biggest events of the century.

Edit: Also, this...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dhs-...ry?id=75517886

C9H20 01-28-2021 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saranus (Post 1626956)
Lol the brain worms have bored deeply. The "lebothsides" meme was stale 10 years ago.

/shrug

I don't care much.

Have fun trading bullets with rednecks in Nebraska in a few years.


PS. This thread and the other political one should be moved to HoL. I know this place is a graveyard but such are usually extended reverence.

Saranus 01-28-2021 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C9H20 (Post 1626958)
/shrug

I don't care much.

Have fun trading bullets with rednecks in Nebraska in a few years.


PS. This thread and the other political one should be moved to HoL. I know this place is a graveyard but such are usually extended reverence.

Okay, detached irony bro. That's why you came to post about it, because you care so little.

https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/comments/M...40af37541d.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantus (Post 1626957)
Where are you getting your news?

Lol, he doesn't. Between all the weasel words, idle speculation, and whataboutism, there was actually pretty much zero substance in that 'analysis'. Certainly no evidence for any of the random ass insinuations there.

"I bet", "Sure a couple, but..", "..there were probably..", "They were basically.."

-signed: someone who is definitely, totally capable of putting things in perspective.


Lmao, fucking embarrassing. Yet you still have the temerity to lecture others about perspective, then fall back to bulwark of "hey I dont even really care lol". Introduce yourself to anything connected to reality or history and try again.

C9H20 01-29-2021 01:18 PM

Nice b8, m8. And your tough guy act is so cringe. Even if you were Arnold it would be and I bet you are some noodle armed nerd afraid of human interaction LARPing as a revolutionary. Good luck in the civil war.

Because that is what such blind pigheaded behavior will bring you. I mean what do you guys even hope will happen? That you will change their minds with such extreme rhetoric, reeducate them, overvote them forever, kill them? And do you think they will just sit around for that? Either you find common ground as a nation or you are fucked one way or the other. But I am not American, I am only saddened by possible loss of life and the shredding of the international economy it will bring, it is your country that will burn and your people that will bleed. So yeah I can afford to play it cool, can you? This is my attempt to help all of you believe it or not.

Cantus 01-29-2021 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C9H20 (Post 1626960)
Nice b8, m8. And your tough guy act is so cringe. Even if you were Arnold it would be and I bet you are some noodle armed nerd afraid of human interaction LARPing as a revolutionary. Good luck in the civil war.

Because that is what such blind pigheaded behavior will bring you. I mean what do you guys even hope will happen? That you will change their minds with such extreme rhetoric, reeducate them, overvote them forever, kill them? And do you think they will just sit around for that? Either you find common ground as a nation or you are fucked one way or the other. But I am not American, I am only saddened by possible loss of life and the shredding of the international economy it will bring, it is your country that will burn and your people that will bleed. So yeah I can afford to play it cool, can you? This is my attempt to help all of you believe it or not.

Mitch McConnell (functional leader of the GOP) said "you can't prosecute a sitting president" during Trump's time in office, followed by "we need to get past that era," after he left office.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (QAnon congresswoman) has indicated support for murdering her colleagues.

Sen. Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley both supported the insurrectionists.

Lauren Boebert (Trumpian congresswoman) literally tweeted out national security information during the insurrection (re. Rep. Nancy Pelosi's location).

The insurrectionists wanted to murder Mike Pence for doing his job (by law). They set up a gallows while chanting "hang Mike Pence."

I don't think "let's jail people who have committed acts of insurrection against duly elected representatives" is a controversial statement, nor "deplatform insurrectionist websites and media." That's the basic, basics in how you stop the rise of a second Nazi party (and we know, for a fact, the insurrectionists were heavily influenced by Nazism).



Whatever media you're consuming, you need to toss it in the trash. You've missed a lot of information over the years, and it's blinded you to just how insane social media and misinfo/disinfo has let our country become. I warned about it for years here, no one believed me (e.g. Hammerbrew, Ganishka). Now that we've seen the result of it, the last thing we should do is pretend that there aren't individuals so extremist as to be terrorists in our [proverbial] midst.

Saranus 01-29-2021 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C9H20 (Post 1626960)
Nice b8, m8. And your tough guy act is so cringe. Even if you were Arnold it would be and I bet you are some noodle armed nerd afraid of human interaction LARPing as a revolutionary. Good luck in the civil war.

Because that is what such blind pigheaded behavior will bring you. I mean what do you guys even hope will happen? That you will change their minds with such extreme rhetoric, reeducate them, overvote them forever, kill them? And do you think they will just sit around for that? Either you find common ground as a nation or you are fucked one way or the other. But I am not American, I am only saddened by possible loss of life and the shredding of the international economy it will bring, it is your country that will burn and your people that will bleed. So yeah I can afford to play it cool, can you? This is my attempt to help all of you believe it or not.

Lmao. "I could beat you up IRL". Funny shit.

Still no evidence for any of the bullshit you say. Until then, I think it's safe to regard your posts along the lines of some kind of machine learning program that spits out tangentially related online philosophy bro jargon.

Cantus 01-30-2021 12:26 PM

Here an academic source you might like C9:
https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status...804830211?s=20

Mutterscrawl 02-01-2021 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C9H20 (Post 1626955)
Really white supremacist, what was white supremacist about those people? Were there a few confed flags?

I bet even people carrying them don't really care about white supremacy anymore, just rebellion and southern pride aesthetic.

Were they white supremacy types there? Sure a couple, but there were probably a few communists as well. It doesn't define the character of the crowd. White power rally my ass.



1. Yes there were, this is so painfully obvious given the presence and number of oathkeeper and other such groups that it's disingenuous for you to question it, it shows you never actually gave a damn about looking into the issue.

2. It is a myth that this is ever what it was associated with, people who believe that are lying, as evidenced by the uptick in 'southern pride' during the civil rights era.

3. This is false equivalence that is so laughable it has made it clear it was a mistake to ever try and engage with you like a reasonable human being.

There were people in 'camp auschwitz' T-shirts. Fuck you.


Quote:

Originally Posted by C9H20 (Post 1626955)

And acting like those fools were some great threat come on. They were basically goofing around. They did none of the things people actually doing a coup do. They did not seize all government buildings and aggressively and mercilessly moved on people in power. Shooting anyone who stands in the way. They were sightseeing pretty much, it's a joke. Pretending this was some terrible, scary event is beyond ridiculous and wins you no points. It was just a bunch of idiotic vandals who will be dealt with accordingly.

Fucking just... bother to read what happened you fucking ass. They went there planning to take folks hostage with zip-tie cuffs and planned to murder people, they were told where people were hiding, the panic buttons were ripped out of democrat offices ahead of time, there were fucking BOMBS found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_s...States_Capitol


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