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Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion Today, 01:30 PM
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Posted By Marthen
Yet one more interesting thing According to...

Yet one more interesting thing

According to Staats' words in the diary, Metzen's original idea for the Forsaken was not that they were exactly undead, it was that they were recently plagued humans...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion Today, 05:56 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 186
Posted By Marthen
Well, while not confirmed by far, it's possible...

Well, while not confirmed by far, it's possible that Alleria's mention in the Encyclopedia is a relic from the times when the Troll Wars were supposed to end very recently. Day of the Dragons...
Forum: Halls of Lordaeron 03-19-2019, 04:17 PM
Replies: 118
Views: 7,200
Posted By Marthen
Krainz, you are technically right, but the issue...

Krainz, you are technically right, but the issue is, that's exactly what causes so many misinterpretations. Even now, after so many years, we have people not understanding what early post Warcraft...
Forum: Halls of Lordaeron 03-19-2019, 02:27 PM
Replies: 118
Views: 7,200
Posted By Marthen
Alright, I will reiterate. Can we call it their...

Alright, I will reiterate. Can we call it their problem?

To make a practical example, let's say I write a guidebook on how to build muscle mass. It's always been designed that way, and never...
Forum: Halls of Lordaeron 03-19-2019, 12:08 PM
Replies: 118
Views: 7,200
Posted By Marthen
Can we really call it a problem when it's been a...

Can we really call it a problem when it's been a conscious part of their design philosophy from the day one?
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 03-18-2019, 03:17 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 329
Posted By Marthen
Well, squishing between fingers never happened,...

Well, squishing between fingers never happened, but that's not particularly important.

(But for that matter, I'd say this particular artwork is rather representative of what the text was...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 03-16-2019, 02:47 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 329
Posted By Marthen
To be frank, Warcraft III already laid out the...

To be frank, Warcraft III already laid out the Titans as the creative force behind all of Azeroth, so Chronicle has not changed much. But exposition is generally a problem in most modern fantasy aye.
Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion 03-15-2019, 07:45 AM
Replies: 7,891
Views: 644,795
Posted By Marthen
Eh, certainly not spot on at all times. Icecrown...

Eh, certainly not spot on at all times. Icecrown felt rather underwhelming and generic, for example. Instead of a white hell full of strange Scourge-Nerubian architecture, we got ourselves a blue...
Forum: Halls of Lordaeron 03-15-2019, 07:42 AM
Replies: 118
Views: 7,200
Posted By Marthen
That's not really Warcraft III's fault, though....

That's not really Warcraft III's fault, though. It's just a problem with Blizzard never checking how their new lore aligns with previously established lore/story, a problem present since the first...
Forum: Halls of Lordaeron 03-15-2019, 05:09 AM
Replies: 118
Views: 7,200
Posted By Marthen
Kyalin, your rhetoric convinces me more and more...

Kyalin, your rhetoric convinces me more and more that Warcraft should have never become an MMORPG. If I consider your arguments given, if the stories told in the RTS games are simply unsuitable for...
Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion 03-14-2019, 05:35 AM
Replies: 7,891
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Posted By Marthen
I don't have a reason to hate Battle for Azeroth....

I don't have a reason to hate Battle for Azeroth. It's certainly one of my more favorite expansions.
Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion 03-13-2019, 12:35 AM
Replies: 7,891
Views: 644,795
Posted By Marthen
I have to say, I really liked that the motivation...

I have to say, I really liked that the motivation given by Baine was about the Earth Mother dying while we incessantly fight, not about honor. It ties directly to Tauren culture, but more...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 02-28-2019, 01:34 PM
Replies: 273
Views: 44,130
Posted By Marthen
Well, that's natural, some people prefer this,...

Well, that's natural, some people prefer this, some that. A matter of preferences. Or does it bother you that some people prefer older depictions? As I am slightly at loss here.
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 02-28-2019, 10:59 AM
Replies: 456
Views: 94,049
Posted By Marthen
I mean, let's not kid ourselves,...

I mean, let's not kid ourselves, contextualization has never been Warcraft's strong point, even in Warcraft II. But then again, it's also fair to mention this lack of proper definition has (Or had?...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 02-28-2019, 07:12 AM
Replies: 273
Views: 44,130
Posted By Marthen
A time for a small blast from the past. ...

A time for a small blast from the past.

https://i.imgur.com/OOMzDq4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QHPb6Uc.jpg

Two fun things about this. As you might remember, at one point, I asserted that...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 02-28-2019, 06:08 AM
Replies: 456
Views: 94,049
Posted By Marthen
I don't think there is any discrepancy in this...

I don't think there is any discrepancy in this case? The mission text clearly describes those Bleeding Hollows found on Azeroth as a part of the clan that did not cross back. Or am I missing...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 02-28-2019, 05:23 AM
Replies: 456
Views: 94,049
Posted By Marthen
I think that Beyond the Dark Portal Manual was...

I think that Beyond the Dark Portal Manual was not written by Metzen himself (he is credited only as story consultant as opposed to Warcraft II), although it's hard to infer from the credits, as...
Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion 02-28-2019, 04:36 AM
Replies: 7,891
Views: 644,795
Posted By Marthen
Looking at another group as a point of reference...

Looking at another group as a point of reference and guidance does not mean they have to necessarily become their copies in thinking and habits. And being somewhat similar is not a problem with this...
Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion 02-27-2019, 05:29 AM
Replies: 7,891
Views: 644,795
Posted By Marthen
Garrosh (as of Mists) and the Iron Horde were...

Garrosh (as of Mists) and the Iron Horde were specifically written as the villains of the story, yet even so, their villainy was not as much a direct product of orcish thinking but Garrosh'...
Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion 02-27-2019, 02:28 AM
Replies: 7,891
Views: 644,795
Posted By Marthen
First things first. Ignoring the shoddy retcons...

First things first. Ignoring the shoddy retcons that even allow this sort of argument (as during the old days, the Horde was purely a product of orcish culture, strongly entrenched in their history,...
Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion 02-26-2019, 11:17 PM
Replies: 7,891
Views: 644,795
Posted By Marthen
Thrall should undergo something he should have...

Thrall should undergo something he should have back in the Lord of the Clans, he should first start understing what the orcs truly are, a warrior culture, then accept it and forgo any sort of human...
Forum: WarCraft Lore Discussion 02-21-2019, 02:29 PM
Replies: 456
Views: 94,049
Posted By Marthen
I kind of wanted to respond to this before...

I kind of wanted to respond to this before properly, but always forgot, Grackle.

You know what that list of discrepancies there reminded me of? Guess what, another discrepancy! I know you and...
Forum: General Discussion 02-20-2019, 03:18 PM
Replies: 10,874
Views: 485,313
Posted By Marthen
I know of several, but why bring that up?

I know of several, but why bring that up?
Forum: World of WarCraft Discussion 02-20-2019, 01:29 PM
Replies: 7,891
Views: 644,795
Posted By Marthen
I still wish that Warcraft Adventures' lore...

I still wish that Warcraft Adventures' lore contents became canon back in the day. Thrall the Necromancer Shaman was much cooler than Thrall the Thor Shaman.
Forum: General Discussion 02-20-2019, 01:26 PM
Replies: 10,874
Views: 485,313
Posted By Marthen
I am not on the Discord anymore due to my...

I am not on the Discord anymore due to my personal preferences, but when I was, it was pretty much lively and active, despite no politics rule and I'd say even a bit more uptight moderation than on...
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