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Old 11-13-2018, 03:26 PM
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He needed another body since he didn't trust Kil'jaeden to give him one if he did his job. He chose Arthas since he was "torn between light and darkness."
Flimsy justification is flimsy.



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Illidan was able to kill Tichondrius (okay maybe not in light of later lore but ignore that) who wasn't able to advise Archimonde at Hyjal. Tichondrius would be able to warn Archimonde away from Malfurion's trap.
There is no possible way that Ner'zhul was able to plan for any of this. Not Illidan, not the skull, not Malfurion's trap, none of it. The chain of events occurred because the writers needed it to occur that way, even though that requires giving the characters divine knowledge of things they should not logically be able to know.




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Medivh does direct Gul'dan to The Tomb of Sargeras though. Him being connected to Sargeras isn't a big stretch following that.
That's an absurd leap of logic that could be used to justify any number of absurd "one degree of separation" relationships, as was done by Blizzard when they shrunk the previously infinite Warcraft universe into an absurd "the titans who ordered the universe for a trillion years are all stored inside Azeroth".

Aegwyn had been fighting demons for centuries. Medivh inherited her power and scryed the nether for knowledge. That's how he knew about the tomb, not any kind of influence by Sargeras who was dead at this point in the story (whatever that means for demons, since his tomb was supposedly haunted).

Even Gul'dan's statement that Sargeras was Kil'jaeden's former tutor makes the universe unrealistically small. The nether is apparently infinite, so the likelihood that Kil'jaeden's former tutor is entombed on the same planet his student invades is so astronomically unlikely as to be impossible. Even Blizzard acknowledged this by making Kil'jaeden responsible for the invasion (despite this retconning Gul'dan's diary). The only way it would make sense is if Kil'jaeden and Sargeras were a trillion trillion years old or something, and he clearly doesn't demonstrate the wisdom of living so long.


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The High Elves already were tied to the moon though (SilverMOON). They got sun themes in WC3 I figure to differ them from Night Elves (who got the moon themes) and also for their opposition to the Scourge (who are tied with the cold of death). If the plan is to stick to what the pre-WC3 series established with WC3 and after changed to fit with this then High Elves should have the moon magic you speak of.
Sure, why not? That makes perfect sense. Maybe the pre-retcon Quel'thalas uses the Sentinel tech tree for all we know. Maybe they were night elves all along?

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That's what I suggested (making the Horde already a force and warring on their neighbors before the Legion shows up).
And I keep suggesting we stop making the legion directly responsible for any wars whatsoever. It is plenty sufficient for Medivh and Gul'dan to have masterminded the opening of the portal themselves in their lust for power, with everything else being out of their hands.

The fact that Sageras invaded during WC2 canon contradicts the idea that demons would need pawns in order to invade worlds. They can invade on their own unless someone is there to stop them. That's why Aegwyn had to fight them for centuries.

I have no idea why Draenor didn't become a demon world if this was the case, although the fact that the orcs had mastered demonology (i.e the summoning of and compelling obedience from demons) would suggest they had some way of defending their world from demonic invasion. It is entirely possible that Kil'jaeden was not serving Gul'dan willingly, considering that he is a demon and all. That Gul'dan, who was raised in a culture that taught demonology for who knows how long, didn't suspect Kil'jaeden of ulterior motives would suggest that the orc warlocks were either insanely stupid (and lucky for having survived so long) or had some really strong demon-binding magic.
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