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Old 05-08-2017, 02:11 PM
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That's either the Dutch flag or the Luxembourgian flag. You really need to put it on its side.
I'm sorry my vexillology isn't up to your standards.
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:19 PM
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It should just be all white anyway.
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:27 PM
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It should just be all white anyway.
You're thinking of Italy.
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:55 PM
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Old 05-08-2017, 03:12 PM
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Old 05-08-2017, 03:20 PM
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I'm not sure if he's exaggerating, but it kind of feels like you're in denial. There are whole neighborhoods in Europe where the police don't even go anymore because the immigrant population has taken over and won't tolerate any intrusion. Terrorist attacks are on the rise. Nations with weak borders and soft immigration policies are, in fact, being overrun.
The police could sweep in an burn the whole thing to the ground. But that would be career suicide. People are fined and even arrested over facebook comments by the ''liberal'' governments. For fucks sake, a German comedian was investigated by the authorities because he made fun of Erdogan.
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Old 05-08-2017, 03:22 PM
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The police could sweep in an burn the whole thing to the ground. But that would be career suicide. People are fined and even arrested over facebook comments by the ''liberal'' governments.
Yeah we are really sensitive in the US when campuses try to censor speech because we know what happens when they become powerful enough.
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Old 05-08-2017, 03:28 PM
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The police could sweep in an burn the whole thing to the ground. But that would be career suicide. People are fined and even arrested over facebook comments by the ''liberal'' governments. For fucks sake, a German comedian was investigated by the authorities because he made fun of Erdogan.
Indiscriminate violence is ill-advised.
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Old 05-08-2017, 04:13 PM
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How well do you guys think a EU referendum would go in France? Le Pen had a lot of other baggage as a person and as a party that could have brought her down. What about just a straight up or down vote on the singular idea instead of a package or a person?
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:47 AM
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How well do you guys think a EU referendum would go in France? Le Pen had a lot of other baggage as a person and as a party that could have brought her down. What about just a straight up or down vote on the singular idea instead of a package or a person?
Why are you so invested in seeing the European Union going down?
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:09 AM
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How well do you guys think a EU referendum would go in France? Le Pen had a lot of other baggage as a person and as a party that could have brought her down. What about just a straight up or down vote on the singular idea instead of a package or a person?
It wasn't necessarily conservative views that really lost the election, it's shit luck for the two candidates.

Fillon was polling 27% during the first round until the Penelope scandal hit him and he deflated like a balloon because he was corrupt.

Le Pen is despised for her father and for her party. While she's tried to moderate it this doesn't change what they were or may currently be.

Next time Les Republicans need to get a less corrupt candidate. It can be essentially the same views (maybe less suck up to Russia and social conservatism) as Fillon and I think they'll win.

But that's just my opinion.
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:41 AM
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Why are you so invested in seeing the European Union going down?
Because it is a big bureaucracy and I think it is holding Europe back.
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Old 05-09-2017, 09:52 AM
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Old 05-09-2017, 10:08 AM
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It wasn't necessarily conservative views that really lost the election, it's shit luck for the two candidates.

Fillon was polling 27% during the first round until the Penelope scandal hit him and he deflated like a balloon because he was corrupt.

Le Pen is despised for her father and for her party. While she's tried to moderate it this doesn't change what they were or may currently be.

Next time Les Republicans need to get a less corrupt candidate. It can be essentially the same views (maybe less suck up to Russia and social conservatism) as Fillon and I think they'll win.

But that's just my opinion.
Le Pen is not conservative she is far right.
Fillon was not unlucky he went full Clinton unable to own his mistakes, lying to cover them and blaming the world for his troubles.
It's ego and the lack of courage of his party to confront him that cost them the election.
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Old 05-09-2017, 12:56 PM
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I'm not saying things are perfect. There are issues that comes with taking in large quantities of immigrants. Over here maybe there needs to be increased resources for law enforcement, for starters, as well as increased resources and work on integration policies and immigration processes so that foreign people can adapt to the nation and culture, and maybe increased resources for schools and universities to make people, immigrants or not, well-educated and productive members of society, I don't know.
Or, crazy idea, how about we stop importing thousands of people that don't give a shit about our societies and culture, and have no desire to integrate? Which most of these fuckers don't, they're quite happy (nay, prefer) to setup their own enclaves and not mix with the "filthy natives" (actually heard this from more than one South Asian in the UK)

Call me old fashioned but I just think the whole point of immigration is to benefit the host nation and it's people, first and foremost, not the "UMAN WIGHTS" clusterfuck it's become.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:31 PM
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Relevant bread.
Our German president was bretty gud. Until the commie party went at his throat for breaking up their ring of corruption.
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Old 05-09-2017, 02:36 PM
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Because it is a big bureaucracy and I think it is holding Europe back.
What if that's what people want? The opposition to immigration, border control, and foreign policy aside, Europeans are generally and largerly not at odds with the policies and direction of the Union, especially when it comes to economics and administration, as, ever since the Long Depression, Europe leans heavily left in these areas. I mean, the Czech Republic, at the moment the most anti-EU state and one of the most anti-immigration states, wouldn't magically swing towards economic liberalism and smaller government the moment the Union disappeared, its people are generally unsupportive of such ideas. Your healthcare system is outright considered barbarian in these parts.

But I was more wondering why would an American be so personally invested in seeing the Union fall given the current climate there.
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Old 05-09-2017, 02:40 PM
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But I was more wondering why would an American be so personally invested in seeing the Union fall given the current climate there.
A very aggressive an very effective propaganda campaign from Russia. That and I guess nationalists want other nationalists to succeed.
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Old 05-09-2017, 02:44 PM
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What if that's what people want? The opposition to immigration, border control, and foreign policy aside, Europeans are generally and largerly not at odds with the policies and direction of the Union, especially when it comes to economics and administration, as, ever since the Long Depression, Europe leans heavily left in these areas. I mean, the Czech Republic, at the moment the most anti-EU state and one of the most anti-immigration states, wouldn't magically swing towards economic liberalism and smaller government the moment the Union disappeared, its people are generally unsupportive of such ideas. Your healthcare system is outright considered barbarian in these parts.

But I was more wondering why would an American be so personally invested in seeing the Union fall given the current climate there.
I am not that personally invested. I am not interfering or mad that France decided to stay.

The US would never allow itself to be in something like the EU.

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A very aggressive an very effective propaganda campaign from Russia. That and I guess nationalists want other nationalists to succeed.
You suck.
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Old 05-09-2017, 02:50 PM
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Old 05-09-2017, 02:51 PM
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I am mad.
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Old 05-09-2017, 03:08 PM
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Old 05-09-2017, 03:11 PM
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It's okay /pat
You give Russia too much credit. The EU should take responsibility for some of its own short comings instead of blaming something else. It is far from perfect and it is perfectly reasonable for someone to come to a conclusion to mitigate its impact on their lives.
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Old 05-09-2017, 03:14 PM
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It's also perfectly reasonable for someone to come to the exact opposite conclusion and support the EU despite it's flaws.
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Old 05-09-2017, 03:14 PM
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The US would never allow itself to be in something like the EU.
Wasn't there talk that the US wants to, effectively, join the EU back in mid 00s.

I recall that but I was a kid back then so I don't know the details, maybe someone else does.
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