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Old 12-11-2010, 08:35 PM
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ÖI canít believe Iím defending Knaak.
It's like what Churchill said about Soviet Russia. If Hitler invaded hell, you'd feel sorry for the devil.

As for Knaak... uhh... well he probably gets a lot of criticism. As usual, all the crappy illegitimate criticism gets the most attention because it's easy to deflect.
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Old 12-11-2010, 08:46 PM
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You also continue to post here despite what I would be forced to categorize as a very negative reputation and get almost constant ridicule from a variety of posters. You probably arenít the best individual to gauge how the effects of public opinion weigh on an author.

We all know a writer canít please everyone all the time, but I know I like to have positive feedback, regardless of whether its fiscally rewarding or not. I think Knaak does listen to critics, as Iíve seen certain developments from him that at least tangentially reflect an effort to redress criticisms that have been lobbed at him.

ÖI canít believe Iím defending Knaak.
Well my opinion is from his and Blizzard's view, the important thing to judge his work, as the author of warcraft novels is: Did the players/fans spend their bucks on your work rather than how did some of them say about it. Do you think Blizzard will take some criticism over the selling?

I can see some good points in his recent books, but I really think over all, NotD and Stormrage are worse than his earlier works. Sure he might think "yeah let me try to improve a LITTLE" after heard those, but if his income get seriously affected because his works' quality, we'll see a big improvement for sure. The odd thing is: Despite the "top 150 hard cover books", "The Shattering"'s price was greatly cut off before its release, maybe this got something to do with Stormrage's quality, this may be the real thing that will force him to change.
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Old 12-11-2010, 08:51 PM
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Well my opinion is from his and Blizzard's view
You are in no position to tell us Blizardís view, and certainly not to tell us what Knaakís personal view is. Donít even try.
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Old 12-11-2010, 08:55 PM
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You are in no position to tell us Blizardís view, and certainly not to tell us what Knaakís personal view is. Donít even try.
Sure, just take it as my own opinion if you want.
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Old 12-11-2010, 09:22 PM
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I really hope they get Jeff back.
I dearly hope so. And I wish Tracy Hickman could come back and write a book for Warcraft, too. We have enough Knaak and Golden's. Golden is great, but I just wish there could be more to expect.
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Old 12-11-2010, 09:23 PM
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I hope they stop releasing these stupid novels all together!
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Old 12-11-2010, 09:30 PM
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I always liked how he wrote the dragon aspects. His depictions of them is my favorite aspect of his books.
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Old 12-11-2010, 09:40 PM
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I always liked how he wrote the dragon aspects. His depictions of them is my favorite aspect of his books.
Deathwing is pretty good, others are...I think Yesera's performance in Stormrage is too silly.
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Old 12-11-2010, 10:32 PM
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Old 12-11-2010, 10:57 PM
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I always liked how he wrote the dragon aspects. His depictions of them is my favorite aspect of his books.
I see what you did there.
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Old 12-12-2010, 01:16 AM
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My problems with our two authors:

Knaak:

-He's too "action" and not enough "text". I completely assumed this with Shadow Wing, I read the damn manga in like an hour. His stories need more depth, and less repeating the same text over and over, it gets boring and gets you angry because you realize the story hasn't advanced anything in half of the book.

-Description of the enviroment. He needs more work on this, imo. Maybe it's just because all of his books were placed in not yet implemented locations, but I get lost with him easily, you can't place where are the characters. NotD was terrible regarding this, VERY terrible. The manga could get more descriptions on this, too, just look at Death Knight, that's awesome, but Shadow Wing feels too random.

-Characters. He needs more NPC cameos, too; well, not cameos, ACTUAL roles. He always has to make new characters when we all are waiting for existing ones to get lore. New characters are cool, but we get too many. Also, stop using the same ones over and over again, it's annoying as hell.

And I think that's all about him.

Golden:

-Emotions overdose. Sometimes I feel like she focuses too much on what the people feel. We got it, don't insist that much. She's always showing "emotion" moments, some are awesome, but when you have too many, it gets boring and annoying. You want to see a character grow from his actions, not from his feelings.

And I can't think of anything else right now, Shattering was perfect. Maybe, seeing how she usually recreates events, she should give another look to WoWPedia for more "small details" and add some more cameos, too.

Anyway, what do you guys think Knaak's book will be about?
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Old 12-12-2010, 01:23 AM
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Anyway, what do you guys think Knaak's book will be about?
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Old 12-12-2010, 01:28 AM
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-Emotions overdose. Sometimes I feel like she focuses too much on what the people feel. We got it, don't insist that much. She's always showing "emotion" moments, some are awesome, but when you have too many, it gets boring and annoying. You want to see a character grow from his actions, not from his feelings.
Going to have to disagree with this. Emotions and feelings are Golden's forte. The problem is more that she isn't always given the right stories for this. Not all characters grow from action; Arthas did, and so Golden's style was an awkward fit at time, but Jake Ramsey in the Dark Templar Saga was the perfect fit for Golden's style.

So, in summary, Blizzard really needs to make sure that they assign their writers stories that fit their writing style. If a story doesn't fit Golden or Knaak, then they should get a new writer for it instead of shoehorning one of them in for it.
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Old 12-12-2010, 01:51 AM
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I dearly hope so. And I wish Tracy Hickman could come back and write a book for Warcraft, too. We have enough Knaak and Golden's. Golden is great, but I just wish there could be more to expect.
I don't think Grubb is coming back. He's working for (like, receiving a regular paycheck from, if I am correct) ArenaNet, now, developers of Guild Wars. Unlike Christie and Knaak, who are freelance writers, Grubb may have some form of exclusivity contract with ArenaNet, and even if he didn't, I don't think Blizzard would be keen on hiring employees of their competitors and giving them details to their lore and development.
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Old 12-12-2010, 09:45 AM
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Going to have to disagree with this. Emotions and feelings are Golden's forte. The problem is more that she isn't always given the right stories for this. Not all characters grow from action; Arthas did, and so Golden's style was an awkward fit at time, but Jake Ramsey in the Dark Templar Saga was the perfect fit for Golden's style.

So, in summary, Blizzard really needs to make sure that they assign their writers stories that fit their writing style. If a story doesn't fit Golden or Knaak, then they should get a new writer for it instead of shoehorning one of them in for it.
Golden's problem is her control on the big pictures is not that amazing.
Arthas is a little bit over the top, Jaina is much worse in RotLK.
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Old 12-13-2010, 02:58 PM
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Knaak and Golden have written last five books published in the Warcraft universe, of which the last three are best sellers.

While many fans might not like Knaak or Golden there books are selling. Would it be nice they would let some new people in. But these books seem more about setting up new stories in the over Warcraft Universe now than Just telling good stories in the Warcraft Universe.

As for what Knaak is writing about I would expect its most likely something to set up the next Xpac. Just like Stormrage was all about getting 'Mal' back.

People will buy it, people will bitch but money is money to blizzard.
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:12 PM
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I don't think Grubb is coming back. He's working for (like, receiving a regular paycheck from, if I am correct) ArenaNet, now, developers of Guild Wars. Unlike Christie and Knaak, who are freelance writers, Grubb may have some form of exclusivity contract with ArenaNet, and even if he didn't, I don't think Blizzard would be keen on hiring employees of their competitors and giving them details to their lore and development.
I read his GW novel a while ago, it's still very good, better than many of the WC novels.

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Knaak and Golden have written last five books published in the Warcraft universe, of which the last three are best sellers.

While many fans might not like Knaak or Golden there books are selling. Would it be nice they would let some new people in. But these books seem more about setting up new stories in the over Warcraft Universe now than Just telling good stories in the Warcraft Universe.

As for what Knaak is writing about I would expect its most likely something to set up the next Xpac. Just like Stormrage was all about getting 'Mal' back.

People will buy it, people will bitch but money is money to blizzard.
Yes, that's what I was trying to say, businessmen only care about profit.
I spent money on those mostly to learn new lore, try not be left behind the main storyline and find some important clues rather than to see a good story.

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Old 12-13-2010, 06:01 PM
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And even Knaak says that he is forced to write some things that he would rather not. "I've had to do some things that they(fans) haven't necessarily liked, even if it wasn't necessarily my decision on that."

To me that reads as saying I know some of the things I've written are stupid but if Blizzard's Lore team wants it in and they are going to pay me to have it there, so be it.

That is not to say a author should write crap if they know its crap but if you make your living writing your going to take the checks while they are coming.

I have very mixed feeling on the whole issue of Knaak.
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Old 12-13-2010, 06:24 PM
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Old 12-13-2010, 07:45 PM
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Just like Stormrage was all about getting 'Mal' back.
I still can't wrap my head around the outright superfluous silliness of that name. Malfurion already had a perfectly good nickname (which it seemed was already used more frequently than his full name back in RoC and TFT anyway), but I guess "Furion" still wasn't familiar-sounding enough for someone's tastes, so suddenly Tyrande's calling him "Mal".

Thank goodness Golden handled Rise of the Horde, or it might have started with the tale of the Eredar leaders Archie and Jay being seduced by the power of the Dark Titan Gary while their close friend Lenny fled Argus to escape the corruption.
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Old 12-13-2010, 08:50 PM
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Maybe "Malfurion" is like "Alexander", and there are two viable nicknames derived from it, "Xander" and "Alex".
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Old 12-13-2010, 09:52 PM
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I think the only time "Malfurion" was mentioned in the stead of "Furion" in Reign of Chaos was the manual.
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Old 12-13-2010, 10:26 PM
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And even Knaak says that he is forced to write some things that he would rather not. "I've had to do some things that they(fans) haven't necessarily liked, even if it wasn't necessarily my decision on that."

To me that reads as saying I know some of the things I've written are stupid but if Blizzard's Lore team wants it in and they are going to pay me to have it there, so be it.

That is not to say a author should write crap if they know its crap but if you make your living writing your going to take the checks while they are coming.

I have very mixed feeling on the whole issue of Knaak.
Like the end of Stormrage?
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Like the end of Stormrage?
And that is a good response in what regard ?

I actually agree with Sayomara i always feel that Knaak doesnt get much freedom in the areas he would be best with and the opposite with Golden as she gets alot of freedom when it comes to characters reactions and feelings which i do think is her strong point but its hard to relate to when the characters are already developed.
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