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Old 05-04-2013, 03:02 AM
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Fellow writters I come seeking advice of sorts

I am working on a tale for my own amusement that I plan to post here and in other communities once it has archieved an structure that satisfies me.

In this story I have two starting points as of now, one showcases loads of action and character development for what will be the core of the main cast and the other is mostly about the protagonist being introduced to the story and giving me a chance to explore and present most of the backstory and the setting.

Now this is sort of a mess because on one hand you got this newcomer and on the other you got this squad waging a war in a way that might as well be two separate stories for a period of considerable lenght, now should I do the P.O.V. thing and have one chapter focus on one side and then switch to the other on and on or just go full on one side and then the other?

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I'd say start with an Action Cut to the battle the main cast is engaged in. This is primarily to get people hooked to your story, since there are so so many and your needs to stand out as interesting from the beginning.
After that switch a chapter between them and the protag until they merge.

That way you intrigue people into reading your story, and as they are excited by the battle and craving to know just what happened in it, speaking of motivations, they will get to the protag chapters and get that need satiated. This should get them hooked well and good, and you get a shot at their attention.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:15 PM
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Fellow writters I come seeking advice of sorts

I am working on a tale for my own amusement that I plan to post here and in other communities once it has archieved an structure that satisfies me.

In this story I have two starting points as of now, one showcases loads of action and character development for what will be the core of the main cast and the other is mostly about the protagonist being introduced to the story and giving me a chance to explore and present most of the backstory and the setting.

Now this is sort of a mess because on one hand you got this newcomer and on the other you got this squad waging a war in a way that might as well be two separate stories for a period of considerable lenght, now should I do the P.O.V. thing and have one chapter focus on one side and then switch to the other on and on or just go full on one side and then the other?

Really grinding my gears on this
So what you're really asking, I think, is whether to showcase action or build slowly. Building slowly is always better, unless the format (short story, comic, screenplay, etc.) prevents it. For me, exploring the world is the most engaging part of any story. This by no means precludes development of the other characters. Who they are and how they came to be is simply another thing for the protagonist to discover.

On another level, this is also a debate about point of view. Every choice you could make has pros and cons. It sounds like you're agonizing over the choice of third-person limited versus third-person omniscient. The decision is yours to make, but let me lay this out in a more systematic way.
  • Third-Person Limited - ex: Harry Potter - A single focus character provides perspective for the story. The reader gains insight into the thoughts and feelings of the focus character, but is limited to knowing only what that character knows.
  • Third-Person Omniscient - ex: LotR - No character is favored over others. The narrator gains the ability to follow the activities of any character, but has no access to the inner workings of any of them.
Now, be aware there's a great deal of "cheating" that goes on here. If you look critically at my stories posted here, you may notice that while each segment has a focus character whose point of view defines the narrators perspective, which character has focus changes almost every time. Stirictly speaking, I probably shouldn't be doing this, but it is a very common practice. I personally have no problem with it, as long as you hold the same character's perspective through each segment.

Also, remember that the world, how it works, and how it came to be is always separate from the matter of where it's going. A good author is able to sprinkle bits and pieces of the former in the course of pursuing the latter. This can be tricky, but history, geography, and politics make good "filler" for the rest periods between action. A more seamless way would be if the group's quest requires them to uncover some key event from the past.

EDIT: Nonane has a point. I'd introduce the newcomer by having the main cast suddenly appear and save his life in the opening scene. It establishes the new guy's ignorance, and simultaneously shows what the group is all about. Two birds, one stone.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:39 PM
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Would anyone be interested in looking over some rough character drafts for a fan-fic I'm working on? It's almost directly inspired by that Warcraft High discussion that happened a while ago.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:51 PM
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Would anyone be interested in looking over some rough character drafts for a fan-fic I'm working on? It's almost directly inspired by that Warcraft High discussion that happened a while ago.
I'll take a look (seems only fair). I can't promise too much since I'm really busy these days, but I can at least examine the character drafts.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:57 PM
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I'll take a look (seems only fair). I can't promise too much since I'm really busy these days, but I can at least examine the character drafts.
Thanks, I'll PM you the link.
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Old 06-20-2013, 06:54 PM
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:10 PM
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Old 06-22-2013, 12:40 AM
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Yay yay yay! After almost three years of sitting in my 1TB hard drive and mostly forgotten. GROUND ZERO, the splurge of creative speculation from Blizzcon 2011 is almost done being edited for grammar and its unnecessary length!

I have to shorten it up more but I think it's almost there!
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:28 AM
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Yay yay yay! After almost three years of sitting in my 1TB hard drive and mostly forgotten. GROUND ZERO, the splurge of creative speculation from Blizzcon 2011 is almost done being edited for grammar and its unnecessary length!

I have to shorten it up more but I think it's almost there!
What are you talking about ?
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:32 AM
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Hey Grackle, when do we get to hear the story of the Alterac peasant?
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Old 07-03-2013, 03:48 PM
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:08 PM
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Here, all done!

http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/showpost.php?p=902484&postcount=44

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Old 07-04-2013, 01:42 PM
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Recycling. The Halls of Lordaeron never die.
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Old 07-04-2013, 01:51 PM
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You're a monster! A madman! You play with forces beyond your control, beyond human comprehension!
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:00 PM
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At the encounter with the footman.
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:09 PM
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At the encounter with the footman.
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:21 PM
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I've finished reading through the possible paths, and I think you really captured the essence of what it means to be a peasant in the Alliance of Lordaeron.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:11 AM
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That's the whole story.
A very deep story that showcases the harsh, and often tragic, lives of poor peasantry.
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:37 PM
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Say people

Im working on a setting for one of my errrr... games, I want a campaign that is completely featured in a cold climate

For inspiration I even made an image gallery

Of course right now its still at nothing but concept stages, id have it be kind of like what would happen if you mixed Conan with lots of Ice

That means, fey spirits, undead, giants, magic as a malevolent force, civilization in its early stages or recovering from a terrible devastation and the theme of mankind struggling to stay alive against both the elements, the grim lack of resources, the unwelcoming fauna and each other.

I guess ill be venting here or be making a thread for some ideas and suggestions, right now the hardest is coming up why everyone hasnt died after generations in the freezing north and why dont they just move north, I had been considering the idea of the land ending up on the north on some great chasm
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:36 PM
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Will a fanfic have problem when it has too many female characters and focus on conspiracy/manuiplation? Right now I have Jaina as the major figure, along with Tyrande+some original dark elf characters with both gender, Sylvanas and her sister, plus Varian, Whitemane and Fordring as the supporting characters
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Old 10-01-2013, 03:28 PM
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Im working on a setting for one of my errrr... games, I want a campaign that is completely featured in a cold climate

For inspiration I even made an image gallery

Of course right now its still at nothing but concept stages, id have it be kind of like what would happen if you mixed Conan with lots of Ice

That means, fey spirits, undead, giants, magic as a malevolent force, civilization in its early stages or recovering from a terrible devastation and the theme of mankind struggling to stay alive against both the elements, the grim lack of resources, the unwelcoming fauna and each other.

I guess ill be venting here or be making a thread for some ideas and suggestions, right now the hardest is coming up why everyone hasnt died after generations in the freezing north and why dont they just move north, I had been considering the idea of the land ending up on the north on some great chasm
There's always this.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:01 PM
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There's always this.
What?
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:26 PM
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What?
I'm sorry, forget I ever posted that. I was in a state of non-sobriety, and couldn't read properly.
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