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Old 11-03-2017, 06:49 PM
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"Why are you back?"

It started with a twitter notification.

I got a Twitter account on the advisement of a speaker at a conference that I attended last year - to follow various things, and through one of the updates, I learned that WoW was implementing a classic mode. I watched the video, then I came upon the other one - the cinematic trailer for the new expansion.

"This might actually be interesting!", I thought. The Alliance was getting upset to the point that they were starting a war over Lordaeron? ... and they're making it complex that it was actually Anduin that started and he's not being portrayed as a lunatic crazy guy, like Garrosh was? I had a few questions of course, like "how the hell did the Alliance get up there?" and "did the Forsaken forget how to use blight". But, I was cautiously optimistic.

So, I poked over to the Story Forum to see if there was anything interesting about it. I was thinking that I would wait and see of course, to ensure that Blizzard didn't screw something else up, but there was a real chance of me coming back. Then I got confused.

What do you mean Teldrassil is being burned down?


Anyway, that's all prologue to this post:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/...9150911#post-6

..... alright Scryll. You win. I'm here. But this is probably as good of an occasion as any to come back at least for a little bit. Part of me misses having these arguments, even though I can tell you that I'm a genuinely happier person for stepping away from this franchise.

Also, to that comment, I am sure that Kosak's doctor is wondering if he's been taking Viagra, and just because he moved to Hearthstone doesn't mean that he doesn't have current or residual influence on the writing. Though I've got to hand it to whoever his successor is, he made me angrier than I ever was when I was still playing!

So anyway, I have to ask a favor of anyone who is still paying Blizzard to post on their site. Could you got get him for me? Maybe Lena and a few others as well? It's been a while and I'd like to see how the gang is holding up.

Past that of course, I really don't care where the discussion goes. I'm happy to discuss anything (for about a week or so before I go back to doing other things). Let the flaming begin!
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:16 PM
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Wait. Are you one of the old guard? From the old days?
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:24 PM
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:30 PM
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Not that old. My old profile, the one that lacks a V. is still out there. I went away just before Legion - though most of my activity was on the Story Forum. I sort of floated in here midway through Cataclysm if I remember right.
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:39 PM
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Hi, Kyalin! I haven't seen your posts in literally years. Glad to know that stepping away from WoW was a good thing for you, but I thought you would have liked Legion.
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:42 PM
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Hi, Kyalin! I haven't seen your posts in literally years. Glad to know that stepping away from WoW was a good thing for you, but I thought you would have liked Legion.
I didn't give it a chance. I figured that it was probably going to be a mess and that they wouldn't portray Night Elves all that favorably, despite their "Night Elf is the new Orc" campaign.

Plus I found a better game about a demon hunter.
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Old 11-04-2017, 12:02 AM
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Alright, so with the pleasantries out of the way, I should get to what you all came here for.

It should be no surprise to anyone that when I saw this, I felt both hurt and angry in a more visceral way that I ever have with this franchise. For all of the apoplectic rage I have expressed over the years, there was no singular point where I felt worse about a story development than I do now. This is after I had pretty much accepted that Blizzard would never give the Night Elves good content and accordingly, moved on from being invested in the franchise.

I used to inwardly snicker at people who said that they were "literally shaking", but then I learned what that felt like.

In a sense, having some time to cool off about it, I feel vindicated for leaving when I did. I knew that the writers didn't like the Night Elves, and I could not have asked for more definitive proof. Burning down Teldrassil is the most definitive statement the company could have ever made against the idea that the Alliance should be an interesting, multipolar, heterogeneous entity, instead of the bland human-led blue and gold faction for, by, and of humans, and no one else.

Those Alliance fans who are hoping for non-human Alliance content, this was a statement: we don't care about you, and we will destroy everything you care about in the name of making our narrative easier to write and program for. In summary: "Fuck you".

I will now address some of the arguments seeking to find a silver lining.

1. "But this will free the Night Elves from their stagnation!"

Blizzard had since 2004 to do that. There are many ways that Blizzard could have iterated on the race, shown them making progress to catch up with the rest of the world. They chose this instead. That choice reveals a lot about their priorities and intentions, which leads me into the second expression of this argument.

There is a strange optimism that this should lead to a better Night Elf story afterward. Why do you people think this is? Is this the bargaining stage of the five stages of grief? You can take this tree, but I'm sure you'll give us a good interesting story? They have no reason to do that, and based on their behavior so far, no desire. You are hoping for a long-established trend to magically reverse - don't hold your breath.

2. It will still be available to lowbies.

So what? The Night Elves still abjectly failed to halt a Horde advance from going through all of their territory, and then getting to the point where they could successfully destroy the capitol. The fact that the zone is gone is immaterial. The fact that the race and its identity are gone, save for those what will be thrown into blue tabards and turned into discount high elves, is what matters.

3. No one ever went there. It's not a huge loss to the Alliance.

No one ever went there because Blizzard chose not to make the place more interesting. Again, this was a problem they could have corrected anytime between now and 2004, and they could have done it by making the city more appealing rather than burning it down. Again, Blizzard's choices reveal their priorities and their prejudices.

4. You just don't want the Night Elves to ever lose.

I haven't explicitly seen this one yet, but I know its coming.

First, it's awfully hard to root for someone who can't stop losing. The Night Elves have been Blizzard's punching bag for a very long time. This is little more than the ultimate expression of that.

But I can see someone coming up and saying "But Kyalin, the fact that you're angry is the point. You're supposed to be angry at the Horde for doing this. If you're upset, then the story is doing its job."

The problem is, I don't think the story has earned it.

If that sounds strange, let me elaborate. When I played Deus Ex: Human Revolution, I could never get the pacifist achievement, and the reason for that can be summed up in one word "Malik". She was your pilot in the game and one of its more 'human' characters, and during my first playthrough, I let her die.

You see, you are returning to Hengsha and are being rerouted by Chinese air traffic control. Little do you suspect that this was a trap being set by Belltower Associates. Who shoot you and Malik down, leaving her aircraft trapped in a courtyard, being shot at by Belltower mercenaries. If you're good, you can kill the mercenaries fast enough to save her, but this is hard to do and during my first run, she got killed. I later saw her body in a harvester den, being vivisected for any spare parts that she might have in this society of mechanical augmentations.

From then on, and in every subsequent playthrough, any time I ran into anyone even remotely connected to Belltower, after knocking them out for the 'peaceful takedown' points, I put a silenced round into their foreheads. That's how angry I was at what 'they' had did.


But 'they' didn't do anything, right? 'They' are pixels, whose actions were written and programmed by the writers and the devs. Shouldn't I be pissed at them, as I am in Blizzard's case? Well, I wasn't because the illusion was strong enough for me not to make that connection. Belltower took Malik and myself by surprise. It was a bad situation that I was quick to rectify once things were back on my terms. Primarily, they established how we got to this point and didn't make the loss seem arbitrary. They also didn't make the characters we were rooting for bumbling incompetents who, frankly deserved it and were unlikeable as well, as Blizzard has repeatedly done with the Night Elves.

I also think that this applies equally to the Forsaken. There's no reason in my mind that justifies a massive Alliance army being in the Tirisfal Glades. The Forsaken should be a very difficult land power to overcome given that they have necromancy and blight, and substantial geographic advantages coming up from the south. Neither of these victories seem in any sense deserved. They just happened because the writers for whatever reason decided that they should happen - that reason probably being: "we don't want to work as hard." (Which may have something to do with Activision-Blizzard's strategy to avoid paying US Income Tax by diverting and not repatriating earnings to/from foreign tax havens)


So, what's the takeaway? Well, for me at least? It was a wise financial and emotional decision for me to cut ties with the series when I did. I knew that Blizzard hated the Night Elves, wasn't serious with their attempt at a push for content in Legion, and now I have the best piece of proof that I could have ever asked for, as much of a gut punch as it is.

For the rest of you, starting with human fans: congratulations, you are in for expansion where you get to try and probably fail to retake Lordaeron. Well done, you. For the Horde, I do hope you enjoy Kosakesque fanfiction about Sylvannas and being portrayed as villains again. You know it's coming. For non-human fans of the Alliance? Give up. You will never get the content you want, because Blizzard does not care about you and does not want your business. It is time that you realized that, and stopped funding them.

Your money, your time, and your investment is better spent elsewhere.
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Old 11-04-2017, 06:33 PM
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Did you not have access to your old account? It's not as though you're trying to hide your identity with a smurf account.
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Old 11-04-2017, 07:13 PM
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Well hot dang, welcome back.

Did you not have access to your old account? It's not as though you're trying to hide your identity with a smurf account.
Nope, I had forgotten my password and the captcha "I'm not a robot test" for the password reset was repeatedly failing me. I thought I was going insane or something, but somehow it works everywhere else.

Anyway, not a big loss. How are things with you? It's been a while!
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Old 11-04-2017, 07:52 PM
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Nope, I had forgotten my password and the captcha "I'm not a robot test" for the password reset was repeatedly failing me. I thought I was going insane or something, but somehow it works everywhere else.

Anyway, not a big loss. How are things with you? It's been a while!
It certainly has! Can't complain. Been stuck in a rut for a bit, but you've got to keep moving, eh? How've you been?

Anyhow, I'm fairly certain getting your account back is something either I or an admin could manage? I'm still not 100% sure on some of the back-end of the forums. I can look into it.
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Old 11-04-2017, 08:41 PM
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It certainly has! Can't complain. Been stuck in a rut for a bit, but you've got to keep moving, eh? How've you been?

Anyhow, I'm fairly certain getting your account back is something either I or an admin could manage? I'm still not 100% sure on some of the back-end of the forums. I can look into it.
Sorry to hear about said rut. I don't know if the advice of a professional things-counter would help, but if it can, do let me know.

I've been well myself. The not-for-profit audit season is winding down, and after a hectic set of deadlines filled with clients who took their sweet time in getting their information together, I'm happy for that to be over.

As for the old account. The other issue is that I don't think I even have access to the account it was linked to before now, that and I'm not going to be here for terribly long. I have been enjoying other things and I really don't want to backslide into complaining about WoW again in the consistent manner that I used to - at least not enough to get invested in the series again. (Besides, now you get to wonder what the V. means)

It's funny, because I am obviously VERY angry about recent developments, but at the same time almost serene. A part of me is hearing Khan eke out in that serpentlike tone "From Hell's heart, I stab at thee", but the other part is just bursting out laughing at how silly it is that I should even care at all.

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Old 11-04-2017, 09:14 PM
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To put this on a more positive path, what, if anything, could the Night Elves rebuild in the wake of this loss in EK, that might make this more palatable?

Or would it only be viable if things are rebuilt in Kalimdor?
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