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Old 03-04-2019, 02:06 PM
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Governmental organizations will provide advisers if they approve of the script. I thought that was commonly known. Like how in early episodes of Stargate they had no idea how the USAF worked so everything is all wonky, but then they got some USAF advisers and it got a lot better. If the show didn't show the USAF in a positive light, they obviously wouldn't help. They're reading too much into it.
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Old 03-06-2019, 02:23 PM
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A Fox News regular who just left the company has revealed just how strong the propaganda aspect of the network is.
https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-tr...annity-1353625

Meanwhile, right-wing propagandists are setting up fake "local news" sites to push their bullshit, bringing fake news to a new level.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/03/...101.1535999858
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Old 03-07-2019, 10:00 AM
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We already knew that Roland Emmerich and Michael Bay movies are just military porn.

Re: Fox News. They just got outed for sitting on the Stormy Daniels story when they knew about it before the election. Sadly there's no fairness doctrine in journalism anymore, so the old folks that watch Fox News aren't going to know any different.
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:18 AM
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We already knew that Roland Emmerich and Michael Bay movies are just military porn.

Re: Fox News. They just got outed for sitting on the Stormy Daniels story when they knew about it before the election. Sadly there's no fairness doctrine in journalism anymore, so the old folks that watch Fox News aren't going to know any different.
And Reuters has sat on a story about Beto for years.

Maybe it's time to admit that all news is fake news on some level and do something about it.

I mean, FFS, they let adds for shit show up on their platforms designed as news articles.
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:36 PM
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And Reuters has sat on a story about Beto for years.

Maybe it's time to admit that all news is fake news on some level and do something about it.

I mean, FFS, they let adds for shit show up on their platforms designed as news articles.
What's the beto story -about-?
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Old 03-21-2019, 09:38 AM
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What's the beto story -about-?
He was a member of whats commonly considered the first hacker group, has stories and communistic writings, 4chanesque edgy stories about running over people with cars, etc.

Ohh, and as an added bonus, EU media is telling politicians to vote yes on a bill or be slammed with negative coverage.
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:57 PM
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I mean, FFS, they let adds for shit show up on their platforms designed as news articles.
What are you suggesting? Bring back Fairness Doctrine?

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He was a member of whats commonly considered the first hacker group, has stories and communistic writings, 4chanesque edgy stories about running over people with cars, etc.

Ohh, and as an added bonus, EU media is telling politicians to vote yes on a bill or be slammed with negative coverage.
I actually see being a former member of the cDc as a positive thing. It would be really, really nice to have someone who has even a vague idea of cyber security around. You know at least as well as I do how fucked we are on that front.
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Old 03-21-2019, 02:00 PM
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I actually see being a former member of the cDc as a positive thing. It would be really, really nice to have someone who has even a vague idea of cyber security around. You know at least as well as I do how fucked we are on that front.
I certainly do. But there was certainly a lot of content that was there that would have and could have influenced things. I don't care much about the content, the dude was a kid as far as I'm concerned. But people do, and it's in the similar vein of "These fucks held back information of public interest". I have a problem with that.

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This is a much thornier issue. I have a pretty strong opinion as far as pro free speech goes, and I realize that. With that being said, it's easy to see where the Fairness Doctrine was accused of violating that, and in parts I think I agree.

However, I think there needs to be a certain amount of responsibility to what our news reports. Even if its accurate, in todays world, it's often times highly sensationalized and editorialized. And that is.... often misleading.

I don't know what the correct path would be. There isn't an easy answer.

There's an argument to be made to make a privatized monitoring group that has power to influence these things and put a stop to it, but there's always the issue of it being abused. And you don't want any external force saying what press can and can't talk about, be it governmental or otherwise. It's just asking for a limited press.

But.. They are very rapidly showing they can't be trusted to operate independently. Helping politicians, hiding stories for things in return. This is.... Nobody can look at this and say its ok.

The best path would probably be to have a two tier system. You can operate and run a studio how you want, but if you don't follow these set of rules, you won't get access to major events.

That still enables people to say what they want to say and talk about what they want to talk about without handing out control.

The guidelines/rules would be federal standard, with a third party privatized company as monitors ala union group, with elections held by the press corps to staff it.

Completely unrealistic, I know. But hey/
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Old 03-21-2019, 02:35 PM
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He was a member of whats commonly considered the first hacker group, has stories and communistic writings, 4chanesque edgy stories about running over people with cars, etc.

Ohh, and as an added bonus, EU media is telling politicians to vote yes on a bill or be slammed with negative coverage.
1. Depends on how old he was when he wrote those and the context

2. Again, context?
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Old 03-21-2019, 06:45 PM
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This is a much thornier issue. I have a pretty strong opinion as far as pro free speech goes, and I realize that. With that being said, it's easy to see where the Fairness Doctrine was accused of violating that, and in parts I think I agree.

However, I think there needs to be a certain amount of responsibility to what our news reports. Even if its accurate, in todays world, it's often times highly sensationalized and editorialized. And that is.... often misleading.

I don't know what the correct path would be. There isn't an easy answer.

There's an argument to be made to make a privatized monitoring group that has power to influence these things and put a stop to it, but there's always the issue of it being abused. And you don't want any external force saying what press can and can't talk about, be it governmental or otherwise. It's just asking for a limited press.

But.. They are very rapidly showing they can't be trusted to operate independently. Helping politicians, hiding stories for things in return. This is.... Nobody can look at this and say its ok.

The best path would probably be to have a two tier system. You can operate and run a studio how you want, but if you don't follow these set of rules, you won't get access to major events.

That still enables people to say what they want to say and talk about what they want to talk about without handing out control.

The guidelines/rules would be federal standard, with a third party privatized company as monitors ala union group, with elections held by the press corps to staff it.

Completely unrealistic, I know. But hey/
That just sounds like "State-approved media only" with extra steps.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:06 AM
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That just sounds like "State-approved media only" with extra steps.
Sure, I won't disagree. But that's the problem with any regulation on the media.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:28 AM
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1. Depends on how old he was when he wrote those and the context
Well, the issue isn't even his involvement in those areas. As Kakwakas said, from a reasoned standpoint one could argue there's a benefit to someone holding public office having that sort of practical understanding of such technology.

The issue is a news outlet deliberately concealing that information due to not wanting a specific candidate to receive bad optics from it; optics that frankly would arise in no small part from the selfsame negative stigma the media outlets in general have aggressively heaped onto mainstream public perception of internet culture.

It becomes problematic when news media outlets are going out of their way to publicly malign a particular demographic or cultural subset, then subsequently shielding aspiring politicians' past associations with those groups (or at the very least, tangentially similar groups) in order to protect them suffering bad optics from the very same vilification the outlets have been cultivating.

I.e. "Hey everyone, this just in, internet chat boards are racist hellholes full of the worst people imaginable hacking and doxxing and spreading hate...

...oops, one of the candidates we like used to be in an internet hacking group. That sounds a lot like being in one of those groups we've been calling hacking, doxxing hatemongers. Better keep this under wraps so the public we've been plying with these narratives don't look at him askance for it."

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I meant the 4chan-esque stories about running over people Ruin claimed he wrote, which to me were more pertinent than Hacking.

I do agree the media shouldn't withhold stories but how exactly could we change that? The media companies have discretion on which stories they do and don't put on air, and any law restricting that falls into the concerns Kak and Ruin have already mentioned.

It would be nice if we could somehow improve journalistic integrity without passing a hard and fast 'law' which will end up causing more harm than good but I'm not sure how.
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I meant the 4chan-esque stories about running over people Ruin claimed he wrote, which to me were more pertinent than Hacking.

I do agree the media shouldn't withhold stories but how exactly could we change that? The media companies have discretion on which stories they do and don't put on air, and any law restricting that falls into the concerns Kak and Ruin have already mentioned.

It would be nice if we could somehow improve journalistic integrity without passing a hard and fast 'law' which will end up causing more harm than good but I'm not sure how.
Well, realistically it probably can't be fixed in a direct sense.

Ultimately the problem may well "fix" itself. By failing to react reasonably and rationally to alternative media sources on the internet, the traditional news outlets are hastening their own business model's eventual obsolescence, simultaneously driving people away with increasingly partisan misdirection and hysterics while trying to publicly vilify their own consumer base for daring to stray instead of actually working to win back their trust.

They demand implicit trust from the viewers/readers, then when caught out in sensationalist or partisan hackery, the double down on that demand and blame the customers for no longer listening instead of honestly assessing why the public trust in them has eroded so much.

Like it or not, the news media is a business, and when a business responds to loss of market share by declaring its own customers are the problem that needs to be fixed, it's frankly a sign that they're cresting the hill of becoming obsolete if they don't significantly overhaul their own behavior. It's also a sign that their livelihood is entirely too rooted in things other than the business they're actually in; namely, their investment in advocacy and bias is obstructing their willingness to adapt. It happened when film studios tried to legislate away the threat of VHS, it happened when record companies tried to litigate away the threat of digital music, and now its happening with traditional print and television news media trying to smear and propagandize away the threat of alternative news sources on the internet.

It's not really up to us. All we can reasonably do is opt to not watch/listen any more, and a lot of people do just that. They've gotta change themselves to get back that declining viewership, or be left in the dust.

Unfortunately, the organic process of such adaptation can be slow and unpleasant, so it'll take a while and we'll have to continue hearing the hysterics and deception and propaganda all the while until they either fix their internal problems or eventually wither on the vine or crash and burn and get replaced.

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Why does the right like and push fake news so much?
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Yet another smear attempt by the right.

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It saddens me that nobody seems to have watched that excellent video I posted.
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I saw it not long before you posted it. It's pretty great.
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Given that this thread is titled the 'Media Thread' I am curious to see what people here think of how the media presents Jeremy Corbyn.


http://www.lse.ac.uk/media-and-commu...-jeremy-corbyn
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Given that this thread is titled the 'Media Thread' I am curious to see what people here think of how the media presents Jeremy Corbyn.


http://www.lse.ac.uk/media-and-commu...-jeremy-corbyn
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Unsurprising.
Isn't it? So much of the British media is dominated by Tory outlets that it is a wonder that they do not win every election. It's also why people have such a distrust of news outlets in the UK.


But the most depressing misrepresentations of Labour have been from the Blairite wings of the Labour party, upset that Labour has returned to it's socialistic roots instead of the Blairite social democracy that New Labour embodied.


The Labour leadership at the moment has people with some really interesting ideas. It's not just Corbyn. John McDonnell and Keir Starmer are two names that stick out(especially McDonnell) but there are others. Too bad that elements of their own party do not have their back.


It's because of Labour's mistake in being a Big Tent for social democrats, democratic socialists, trade unionists, Lexiteers and militant leftists. When you have a Big Tent, you have severe internal divisions. Labour's role is to be a democratic socialist party, that's what it was before Blair came in and pandered to the British Establishment. The social democrats and other factions need to realize that, they have always been the minority as far as Labour's membership is concerned and just because they came into power under Blair does not mean that the Labour membership approves of their actions.

Hell, socialism itself is arguably a Big Tent, and it's effectively treated as one faction within Labour(albeit the main one).

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I skipped Nazja's video because it was in a foreign language, but having watched it I'm glad I did. Very amusing.
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