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Old 09-17-2015, 10:04 PM
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:28 PM
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A lot of police officers are offered retirement if their age and years of service equals a certain number. Obviously depends on state, city, county, all of that. But it's why you have a lot of relatively young police officers who are technically retired.
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Old 09-18-2015, 12:49 AM
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Anyone here watch the Globe and Mail's leaders' debate between the three main federal party leaders?

What I'm saying is: How about those Canadian politics, eh?
Didn't watch it (apparently it was only being streamed?), but in my pitiful defense, the barrage of annoying political ads have mostly made me numb to this whole shit show since they started bludgeoning us with them in... what, fucking July? Before they even announced the election?

Seriously, if I hear "Nice hair, though!" in an East Indian accent one more time, I am going to lose my goddamn mind and develop psychic powers to KICK WHOEVER MADE THOSE COMMERCIALS IN THE GROIN WITH A SPIKE OF PURE IRRITATION GIVEN PHYSICAL FORM.
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Old 09-18-2015, 02:48 AM
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Fingers crossed Putin will actually bring the hammer down on ISIS. It's about time he used his military power for something other than bullying old Soviet satellite states.
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Old 09-18-2015, 02:52 AM
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Fingers crossed Putin will actually bring the hammer down on ISIS. It's about time he used his military power for something other than bullying old Soviet satellite states.
Yep, about time he made NEW Soviet sattelites Seriously, about time things started happening in an official way.

It's kinda funny in a sad way. Back before Glasnost, NATO and Warsaw would have been at each other's troaths to actually go in there and make things happen, if only to have an ally so close to the Iron Curtain.
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Old 09-18-2015, 08:22 AM
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Didn't watch it (apparently it was only being streamed?), but in my pitiful defense, the barrage of annoying political ads have mostly made me numb to this whole shit show since they started bludgeoning us with them in... what, fucking July? Before they even announced the election?

Seriously, if I hear "Nice hair, though!" in an East Indian accent one more time, I am going to lose my goddamn mind and develop psychic powers to KICK WHOEVER MADE THOSE COMMERCIALS IN THE GROIN WITH A SPIKE OF PURE IRRITATION GIVEN PHYSICAL FORM.
I envy you if you only started hearing those commercials in July. Around here, we had the attack adds going on in November of last year. Glad to know I'm not the only person they're driving nuts.

I watched it streaming on youtube, but apparently it was also televised on CPAC.
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Old 09-18-2015, 08:28 AM
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A great interview with Bashar al Assad:

http://www.rt.com/news/315482-assad-...ees-interview/


Some thoughts on this interview from the Saker, one of the internet's main anti-natoists:

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Like most of you, I spend 1 hour listening to Bashar al-Assad?s interview with the Russian media yesterday. I have to tell you that I am impressed. But before I discuss this in more detail, let me confess something which old-time readers of this blog might remember: I used to be very opposed to secular Arab nationalists, especially Baathists. Not only did I have an extremely bad opinion of Saddam Hussein (which does not prevent me from being outraged at the way he was treated and murdered), I also had some Syrian friend who told me a lot about Assad p?re, Hafez al-Assad, the corruption of his regime, the very real fear that so many Syrians had of this security services and the nomenklatura of wealthy fat cats which surrounded him. Coming back to Bashar al-Assad, I could not forgive him that he tortured on behalf of the CIA in the so-called ?rendition? program and that he, or somebody very close to him, had clearly protected the Israelis who murdered Imad Mughniyeh. All this is to say that I can hardly be accused of being a Assad fanboy.

But now I have to say that I am changing my tune. Not only because there can be no doubt whatsoever that Assad and his military are currently the only force protecting the Syrian people from the medieval insanity and viciousness of Daesh, but because, frankly, the man impresses me more and more.

The first thing which impressed me about him is that he simply makes sense. No offense to anybody here, but most Arab leaders make no sense at all. They are long on hyperbole and short on simple rational common sense. But not Assad. He clearly knows his stuff and he strikes me as a man who believes in what he is doing. Of course, I am no mind reader and I cannot prove any of that, but this is the feeling I got while listening to him.

Bashar al-AssadThe second equally subjective feeling I got is that over the past four years the man has grown in stature. Frankly, listening to him before the war, I got the feeling that he was somewhat of a typical Arab playboy you can find in Saint Tropez, Marbella or Geneva every summer. Not necessarily a bad guy, just a spoiled and superficial character. He sure did not look much like a statesman to me (not even compared to Saddam Hussein who, for all his flaws, was a charismatic personality). But listening to him yesterday I came away with the feeling that the Assad of 2015 is not at all the Assad of a decade or so ago. I get the feeling that this war profoundly changed him.

My third and last conjecture is about the change in Assad?s entourage. Remember at the beginning of the war ? there were all sorts of ?regime officials?, including generals and ambassadors, who suddenly grew a ?democratic conscience? and defected to the ?Axis of Kindness?. My guess is that all the CIA-paid scum which infested the Assad regime ran because they were convinced that Assad would be overthrown in a few months at most. Except for Assad stayed and, amazingly, held the course even in the darkest of times. I don?t know that for a fact, but I suspect that the quality of people in the immediate entourage of Assad must have dramatically changed for the better and that now he is surrounded by real patriots.

Another doubt which I used to have in the past was this: would Assad have the wisdom to listen to the Russians and the Iranians or is he a megalomaniac who will listen to nobody? Clearly, listen he did. Had he not, the Russians would never commit their support the way they are doing now. Sure, the Russians are not saying that Assad is indispensable, that it is for the Syrian people to decide, but that is also the politically correct way of backing Assad since they are convinced that the Syrians do want him. Besides, what the Russians are really saying when they say that ?it is for the Syrian people to decide? is that it is NOT for the ?Friends of Syria? or any other part of the ?Axis of Kindness? to decide. In other words: screw you ? US/NATO/EU/etc. So for all the diplomatic circumlocutions about the future of Syria the reality is that Assad has the full backing of the Kremlin.

Finally, what I see is that the Russians are clearly ?pushing? Assad towards the front stage again. This is, I think, the real purpose of this interview: to promote Assad as a man who can negotiate, who will listen and who is above all a ?principled pragmatist?.

Here is what I believe the Russians are doing now: they are using a multi-level strategy which combines some military aid with a flurry of diplomatic activity with all the key regional powers the main purpose of which is to convince as many leaders as possible that Assad now is undoubtedly part of any solution. For the AngloZionists, this is absolute crimethink. But for those looking at the nightmare created by Daesh and who now face the consequences of 4 years of AngloZionist support for Daesh, it will be become very difficult politically to remain so totally opposed to Assad as to not being willing to even talk to him. Besides, no military effort against Daesh makes any sense at all unless it is coordinated with the Syrians. What the USA and their puppets are doing right now is not only illegal, it is also totally ineffective. Contrast that with the Russian position which aims at creating an anti-Daesh coalition which would be 100% legal (Syria, being a sovereign country, can invite anybody to help it) and effective (any air or missile strikes would be coordinated with Syrian ground operations).

Yesterday, listening to Assad, I felt that he was confident that eventually the US-induced insanity will stop and that most world leaders will come to their senses and realize that talking to Assad should not only an ?option?, but the top priority for anybody sincerely interesting in stopping the Daesh rot before it threatens even more unspeakable horrors for the Middle-East and even beyond.

I hope that he is right.

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To correct one of his errors, Bashar were living and working as an eye specialist in London until his elder brother died and he was called back to Syria to become the heir apparent, he was anything but the typical Arab playboy and he didn?t even give that vibe. Before the crisis he always looked too small for his suit.
It is often forgotten in the west that Bashar is a very westernised man, he lived in London for several years, it was there that he met and married his wife, a syrian sunni woman that were born in Britain. It is quite well known in the ME that when Bashar were called home to become the heir apparent, he only accepted the position if his father Hafez agreed to Bashar's demands. Hafez accepted, which were the wish to start the transition to a democracy at a slow pace. Hafez spent the last few years of his life removing from power those among the syrian elite and among it's generals that would resist such "westernisation".
He did not completely succeed as can be seen in how many has turned out to be closet islamists.
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Old 09-18-2015, 08:36 AM
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Doesn'T really matter if he's westernized or not, violently crushing your own population is not really something to be relativized or swept under the table.

That being said there's leaders in the West and all other countries that deserve the same scrutiny and don't get it, ofc.

And that being said, there can be no peace without dialogue, and more weapons and more troops is NEVER going to be the answer to stability in the region.
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Old 09-18-2015, 08:36 AM
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Old 09-18-2015, 08:55 AM
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Anyone else think there are some unfortunate implications here?

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If the Arab spring wrote any lesson for history, is that you never get out of a quasi-peaceful and stable dictatorship through violence and revolution.

Pretty much every country where the spring went on to overthrow their leaders is nowadays a shithole, and it's going to take decades for them to recover their wealthy societies.

So yeah, I support Bashar al Assad, as the lesser of many evils.

And fuck USA and UK for messing up with the Middle East since 30 years ago. Today's problems are the direct consequence of their geopolitical bullshit. And I'm really tired of Europe having to clean the mess. Fuck Turkey as well, for letting the Kurds get slaughtered by Daesh.
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Old 09-18-2015, 09:00 AM
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If the Arab spring wrote any lesson for history, is that you never get out of a quasi-peaceful and stable dictatorship through violence and revolution.

Pretty much every country where the spring went on to overthrow their leaders is nowadays a shithole, and it's going to take decades for them to recover their wealthy societies.

So yeah, I support Bashar al Assad, as the lesser of many evils.

And fuck USA and UK for messing up with the Middle East since 30 years ago. Today's problems are the direct consequence of their geopolitical bullshit. And I'm really tired of Europe having to clean the mess. Fuck Turkey as well, for letting the Kurds get slaughtered by Daesh.
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Old 09-18-2015, 09:07 AM
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Anyone else think there are some unfortunate implications here?

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I really can't think it's funny when this is something someone actually put up at a university...
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My fucking sides have developed their own space program and are half-way to Mars, jesus wept. :')
Right? He looks exactly like one of those really old cartoons lol.
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Old 09-18-2015, 09:29 AM
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I really can't think it's funny when this is something someone actually put up at a university...
I didn't actually notice it at first, i scrolled past the picture thinking whatever but then I read what you put. I just find over sights like this pretty fun, the best of intentions etc.
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I really can't think it's funny when this is something someone actually put up at a university...
It would be a bad idea to look into the banking industry.
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I just do not get that sense of humor
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If the Arab spring wrote any lesson for history, is that you never get out of a quasi-peaceful and stable dictatorship through violence and revolution.

Pretty much every country where the spring went on to overthrow their leaders is nowadays a shithole, and it's going to take decades for them to recover their wealthy societies.
The US managed it. Though we more rebelled against a quasi-peaceful and stable parliamentary monarchy than a dictatorship.
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The US managed it. Though we more rebelled against a quasi-peaceful and stable parliamentary monarchy than a dictatorship.
This is all a consequence of the idea that the U.S. should never be allied, or work with a dictator. Obama took this stance against Assad along the line of thought of "Bad man, hurt little people", and that's where it stopped. Hussein was a bad, bad man, but served a purpose. We can either choose intervene in countries, and achieve our goals with dedication until the end, or we can be isolationists and allow diplomatic dies with bad people maintain conditions in our best interest regarding trade abroad. We cannot shake up entire regions on a moral whim to make our consciences clean because despite the new train of thought in the world your actions do have consequences and the responsibility for that is yours and yours alone.

French and others oil interests and pipelines forced us to intervene in Libya, under the guise of protecting civilians (More Nobel Peace Prize credentials), but those interests didn't align in Syria, which is why we watched them die from two sides.
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