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Old 06-19-2015, 12:22 PM
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WarCraft 3 B.net Eyeball The state of the world, post Siege

No one cares about Draenor.

What's up with the Alliance and Horde, after Hellscream's downfall?
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:27 PM
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The better question is whats up with everyone else? How pissed do you think they are at red and blue?
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:38 PM
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Depending on how realistically they want to play this, it seems like the Horde would almost certainly be in a subordinate position to the Alliance. It's sovereign simply because the Alliance can't afford to occupy and administer the Horde's territories. Instead, the Alliance relies on an ostensibly friendly government headed by Vol'jin, and will ignore the Forsaken because Sylvanas has plot armor.

I could even see Pandaria supporting the post-Garrosh Horde. As much as the pandaren detested Garrosh, the Alliance's near hegemony may be perceived as a greater threat. Pandaria itself may be weaker than either of the two main factions, but could act as a kingmaker or maintainer of balance.

Vol'jin will be in a delicate situation. Elements in the Darkspear Tribe may encourage or even demand that he enact retribution against the orcish populace. Given the strong blood ties within the Darkspear, Vol'jin could be culturally expected to do this.

At the same time, if he's smart, he'll realize that an alienated orcish population will simply lead to a new problem. I expect he'll be fairly ruthless with former Garrosh sympathizers, if only to satiate the more rabid Darkspear elements. On the other hand, he might simply go into full overlord mode and pave the way for the next Garrosh.

I like to think that Outland is fairly quiet and peaceful. I'm sure I'm wrong.
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Who would be the leader of the non-aligned Pandaren? Taran Zhu made sense while they were isolationist, but that may no long be the case.

I could see Lion's Landing and (a renamed) Domination Pointing being converted to major ports/cities where the vast majority of trade and commerce takes place.
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Neither faction was in great shape at the onset of the war, so they're likely relying on Pandaren influence to keep them going. I like the trade idea - There are probably relief efforts being done on part of the more kind and helpful members of Pandaren society. Food, resources, etc. Nothing warlike, they just want people not to resort to war, again.

The Horde is, obviously, in worse shape, and their perennial enemies in the Barrens are likely to take up rule here. We have some RP narratives going, my friends and I, where gangs of orcs are now taking to demon worship, black market trades, etc. to get by. It's rough and tumble.
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We come back to Azeroth from Daenor and there's peace. Draenor made us #savage now it's the "heroes" vs the combined forces of the alliance and hordes army of light. FINAL raid boss Anduin.
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:20 PM
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Azshara reigns supreme over a drowned over Azeroth *.*
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:21 PM
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Orgrimmar has been rebuilt to look like a troll city. Most orcs who worked for Hellscream have either been executed or arrested, thus the Orcs are now the minority. The Alliance has totally reclaimed Ashenvale, Gilnaes and others.
The Horde lands have been falling in disrepair, and the Alliance has kept their end of the bargain by not wiping them out. Varian is becoming less popular among the Alliance citizens, especially the Night elves, Draenei and worgen, because of his stance to not take out the Horde, and while the Alliance is still together, there could be some problems in the future.
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Ogrimmar rebuilt to show troll presence, Stormwind still unrepaired
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Ogrimmar would still be the same, just occupied by trolls. Pandaria wouldn't have much interest in the outside world. Most of them brought death and destruction.
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:40 PM
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Azshara reigns supreme over a drowned over Azeroth *.*
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The former park is now Little Pandariatown. Don't eat the steak (it's actually worgen).

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Joking aside, I believe things are relatively quiet between the Horde and Alliance. Reconstruction and reassessment of political territories in light of Garrosh's deposition is taking place, such as gains in Ashenvale, Gilneas, and Stonetalon.
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:49 PM
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Who would be the leader of the non-aligned Pandaren? Taran Zhu made sense while they were isolationist, but that may no long be the case.

I could see Lion's Landing and (a renamed) Domination Pointing being converted to major ports/cities where the vast majority of trade and commerce takes place.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're still isolationist after the events of mists of destroy pandaria. Red and blue did not make a good impression all things considered.
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:44 PM
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The position of the two factions since the Shattering have flipped. The Alliance is strong and united behind Varian, with all of the member nations of the Alliance contributing to the expedition into Draenor to at least some extent.

Genn Greymane disapproves of the expedition because he wants the Alliance to focus on reclaiming Gilneas, but that doesn't stop some Gilneans like Lieutenant Thorn and Packleader Vitale from making the trip. There are hints that because of the curse, there are some worgen who are less interested in continuing to hold onto the idea of a king, even if Greymane himself is also afflicted by the curse.

The Horde, meanwhile, is fractured. Vol'jin offers Thrall very little in terms of forces he can take with him through the Dark Portal against the Iron Horde, principally because the Horde in general has very little to offer. Gazlowe cuts his contracting rates, but he can afford to. Vol'jin has got the Darkspear on one side wanting vengeance and/or asking whether or not he should make a play against Rastakhan, while Gallywix is calling in loans he made to the Horde under Garrosh' reign, and Baine struggles to keep the Barrens under control. Sylvanas is more distant than normal, insisting that she must secure her borders against the counterattack from the Alliance due to her Gilnean campaign, and while Lor'themar is surprisingly supportive of Vol'jin, he states that Quel'thalas still has precious little resources that can be used to bolster the flagging Horde, especially in the wake of the Purge of Dalaran.

Life in Pandaria has largely returned to normal with the threat of the sha removed. The mantid are going back into hibernation while they wait to birth a new empress, the mogu are reduced to petty banditry since their brief brush with majesty, and the pandaren are rebuilding. While the continent has forcibly been opened up to some trade and the pandaren have taken an interest in some import/export, many of the land's inhabitants are content to let the world forget about Pandaria once more.

However, Shen-zin Su has returned to the Turtle Beach to rest after his earlier injuries. Some on the continent suspect that he may not travel the world again, and those pandaren living on the Wandering Isle may have to rely on the Alliance and Horde in order to maintain their itinerant lifestyle.

But in the depths of the seas, Azshara waits, waiting for her moment to strike with the full force of the power she has stolen from Neptulon the Tidehunter...
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It's hard to believe the Alliance is united and strong when half their race roster are still in a refugee state. Draenei have probably gained more because of WoD but Gnomes and Worgen still sit as nonentities who are barely represented in the Alliance as it is. (Worgen moreso, because they are never represented as part of a unified Alliance army in places like Lion's Watch.)

Meanwhile, Blood Elves and Undead have risen in power and have gained new assets that solidify such power among the Horde. They are so independent now that they can stand up to other nations of the Alliance.
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Old 06-19-2015, 03:14 PM
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The MU Warsong, Blackrock, and Dragonmaw clans have most likely been dissolved. These clans were likely the bulk (or at least core) of Garrosh's forces. There's no way that they weren't totally wiped out and reduced to a handful of individuals.

With the Warsong broken as an organization, I reckon there's a much smaller Horde presence in Ashenvale, if any at all. (Considering Tyrande's terms for peace, there might be zero Horde presence in Ashenvale.) I could see Zoram'gar and Splintertree barely still staffed and manned, with the latter being in terribly bad shape. Silverwind Refuge has most certainly been retaken and Hellscream's Watch razed. I imagine that the Warsong Lumber Camp is deserted and probably taken over by satyrs or furbolgs who fled from Azshara. The Mor'shan Rampart was probably destroyed, too.

Any Hellscream loyalists that remain have probably resorted to banditry at worse and self-imposed exile at best. The demon cultists in Durotar and the Barrens might have a few new recruits and the Steamwheedle Cartel might have taken on a few new mercenaries. I imagine that the majority of them that remain at large are probably concentrated in the Barrens, particularly the northern mountains.

With the overpowering presence of the Kor'kron army removed from the Barrens and the Horde's weakened state, I would imagine that the quilboar and the centaur are claiming land all over the place. The Crossroads would still be safe for the moment, but settlements like Grol'dom Farm and Regthar Deathgate's burrow are probably being pushed hard by the resurgent threats, with the latter probably on the verge of falling.

Desolation Hold's fate is an interesting one. Did Warlord Bloodhilt stay true to Garrosh? After all, he was personally sent by Garrosh to take control of Desolation Hold. If so, Desolation Hold could very well be the last military holdout of Hellscream loyalists. Or maybe Warlord Bloodhilt joined or supported the rebellion. Or maybe he was killed by rebels from within. Whatever the case may be, Desolation Hold is either the last bastion of Hellscream loyalist power or the strongest Horde settlement in the region. There's no way it's been abandoned. Someone's there, looking across the Battlescar at the fallen Fort Triumph and wondering how long it will be before the Alliance return, repair it, and man it.

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It's hard to believe the Alliance is united and strong when half their race roster are still in a refugee state. Draenei have probably gained more because of WoD but Gnomes and Worgen still sit as nonentities who are barely represented in the Alliance as it is. (Worgen moreso, because they are never represented as part of a unified Alliance army in places like Lion's Watch.)

Meanwhile, Blood Elves and Undead have risen in power and have gained new assets that solidify such power among the Horde. They are so independent now that they can stand up to other nations of the Alliance.
The Alliance can be in a position of strength and confidence even when one of their member states is individually in disarray. And I really think that at this point, it's only the worgen who are in that state.

Prophet's Lesson gave the impression that the draenei are back at strength, even though they committed very little in the way of forces during the Siege of Orgrimmar. The draenei are to the point where they're a government in exile rather than being a refugee people, but the bottom line is that they don't have a high population after everything they've been through. Maybe that changes post-WoD, but right now, it doesn't make sense to see them commit a sizable force because they don't have one to field.
Between Cut Short, the Cataclysm gnome starting experience and Operation: Gnomeregan, the gnomes aren't as much a people in exile as much as they're folks who are living on their lawn after their house burned down. With the dwarves right next door they're in a pretty safe position, so while yes, they haven't completely reclaimed their city yet, they're a lot closer to it than the Alliance is to reclaiming Gilneas. The gnomes don't contribute a lot in the way of ground troops, but they've always been more oriented about having specialists in place, like with the Gnomish Gearworks. In a lot of ways, the gnomes' strength is in what tech they provide, more than what they directly contribute to the war effort.

Now yes, the worgen are not in a position of strength right now since they're living on the hospitality of the kaldorei and Stormwind. And yes, the blood elves and the Forsaken have grown stronger over time. And while one could argue that the orcs are technically in the doghouse now, they're still not as weakened as the worgen are at this point, and if the draenei are going to get bolstered by whatever comes back from Draenor, the orcs likely will too.

I think we can all agree that the worgen are under-represented and not in a position of sovereignty at this point, even while being on the "winning" team. But that doesn't mean that the Alliance isn't still ascendant at this point after the Horde gave itself such a beating.
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Orgrimmar is rebuilt
Stormwind is at peace
The Elves rebuilt stuff in Ashenvale
Sylvanas sits in a secured Lordaeron
Gilneas is still an abandoned ruin
The Pandaren regret ever joining the Alliance/Horde

TL;DR Worldwide peace reigns in Azeroth
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But what about the specifics in regions and politics?

For instance: We know that the Horde was driven out of Ashenvale, but where does that leave their resources? Are they relying on trade from the Pandaren or harvesting resources from elsewhere or what? Further, if we were to have some nonaggressive Horde wandering through, what would happen there?

Someone asked earlier about the neutral races, and I think they are just growing in strength. The Cataclysm was never truly resolved (Deathwing is dead, but resources left in his wake are certainly finite). And with military forces on another world altogether, you know, there's nothing stopping more Hoggers, Charlgras, etc. from rising up and assuming power.

But goign back to the earlier Horde sentiments... Pretty much agreed that they're put down, nearly disbanded.... The questions of resources can't ignored, though. They might be rebuilding, but with what?
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But what about the specifics in regions and politics?

For instance: We know that the Horde was driven out of Ashenvale, but where does that leave their resources? Are they relying on trade from the Pandaren or harvesting resources from elsewhere or what? Further, if we were to have some nonaggressive Horde wandering through, what would happen there?

Someone asked earlier about the neutral races, and I think they are just growing in strength. The Cataclysm was never truly resolved (Deathwing is dead, but resources left in his wake are certainly finite). And with military forces on another world altogether, you know, there's nothing stopping more Hoggers, Charlgras, etc. from rising up and assuming power.

But goign back to the earlier Horde sentiments... Pretty much agreed that they're put down, nearly disbanded.... The questions of resources can't ignored, though. They might be rebuilding, but with what?
This is one of those questions that's actually quite tough to answer since the game is pretty inconsistent on where resources are gathered (and even what resources are usedfor instance, do goblin factories require palm oil for lubricant?).

Ashenvale is the most pressing question. I can't imagine the Alliance would allow more than a trickle of lumber into Horde territory. The size of the forest means you might have a few attempts at illegal logging (conceivably done or abetted by paid humans), but the night elves would quickly curtail this.

Pandaria might provide lumber to the Horde. This would fit in with a larger strategy of ensuring that the Alliance does not become too powerful. The pandaren may be reluctant to use large-scale logging techniques, however, which could make lumber considerably more expensive.

The Horde does have some long-term holdings in Stranglethorn that they'd conceivably keep after the war. The Steamwheedle Cartel may help them with this, though the Darkspear would probably profit as well (which raises the problem of the Darkspear maintaining a monopoly at orcish expense).

The Forsaken have a lot of forests, but probably wouldn't care enough to do anything. Goblins could act as lumberjacks (since Forsaken-handled lumber may be distrusted, particularly for building important buildingsas such, it might have to be sold for a lower price, which may make the goblins less inclined to harvest it). I doubt the Sin'dorei would open up their forests.

The Overgrowth in the Barrens is probably within the Horde's grasp. I forget the exact lore behind the placeis it like that permanently? Or is it supposed to switch back to normal? If the former, it may help make up for the loss of Ashenvale. Azshara's still got a fair amount of growth, though I'm not sure the Alliance would let the Horde keep Azshara (really, they shouldn't, but it's kind of a major Horde area at this point so we're unlikely to see it go away).

In regards to ore, the Horde still controls some mountainous regions which might conceivably have a fair amount left over. As long as they take care of resultant environmental issues (which may frustrate the tauren) they should be okay. However, the Alliance probably has more ore due to Khaz Modan.

Oil can be found in and around Orgrimmar. The Horde likely still has access to these wells. I imagine that the Steamwheedle Cartel would have snapped up the oil in Thousand Needles at this point, though they may be willing to sell to the Horde. The Alliance obviously has oil of some sort, though it's not clear where. It might be interesting if the majority of oil is still found in Horde or neutral territory.

Would the flooding of western Durotar improve the region's agricultural capability? I'm thinking the soil is still sandy and rocky, and thus of limited use. Should this be the case, the Horde would face serious food restraints. The Alliance would likely sell cheap food, both to appear humanitarian and to increase Horde dependence on their aid. Pandaria may attempt the same.
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On that note, I think its time for Gazlowe to be ousted.
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On that note, I think its time for Gazlowe to be ousted.
What? Why? Maybe he's not being super-profitable for the Steamwheedles, but clearly that cartel is doing pretty well regardless. Gazlowe also seems to have enough seniority that he gets to act with a lot of autonomy, perhaps on the grade with whoever's actually running the cartel.

I guess if they wanted to formally make Gazlowe a part of the Bilgewater Cartel, they could do a narrative where Gallywix has taken Ratchet from him while Gazlowe's been on Draenor. Gazlowe donkey-punches Gallywix into next Sunday and takes over the Bilgewater Cartel.
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Aside from the cataclysm, im willing to bet the other source of hits the cartel took were due in part to Gazlowe giving the Horde preference (who fucking lost the war) and doing them a ton of favors when he really should not have. He might have a senior position in the cartel, but there is a still line and i wouldn't be surprised if he is skirting around it.

Also having Gazlowe out of the picture would give Gallywix something to do.
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I'd be okay with Gazlowe taking Gallywix's place. I still cannot fathom why Thrall put Gallywix in charge of the goblins.
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I think the Overgrowth is permanent, given it's connection to the Dream/Wailing Caverns. The implication is that, as long as the caverns remain, so will the trees. That's the impression I got from quests and exploration, anyway. Abundant resources and plenty, but it's all... Buried. And controlled by Elves. :V

As for the watershed, I don't think it's going anywhere. Nevermind the quilboar in the region, but I believe there was some fringe lore arguing for it's toxicity. I'm not a big fan of that, though, but it might come up some day.

WC2 had offshore drilling for both factions. Remember, though, that STEAM is the big thing for the Alliance; Oil has always been a goblin/Horde obsession...

Azshara, on the other hand, is a weird thing. I'm pretty sure the Elves wanted nothing to do with it, you know. They considered it condemned land. Haunted, evil... You're Not Supposed to Go There.

Now, all of a sudden, you've got these people coming in, exploiting the natural resources, ignoring all these ghosts and spirits. Imagine if, one day, we get aliens coming down, harvesting resources from Chernobyl, seeming immune to any radioactivity. Think the Czech would be okay with that? Same goes for Felwood - Horde had pretty extensive operations there, but it was, again, met with resistance.

Kinda wonder what all this supernatural lumber is going to lead to...

Anyway, Alliance...

We know the Dwarves are absolutely fine. There's no end to the resources of Khaz Modan, it seems. Moira's return also opens routes to the Burning Steppes... As a Horde player, it kinda frightens me that the dwarves are just getting stronger!

Stormwind is ailing, last we saw. Financial crisis following the Northern campaign... Hasn't been addressed since Cataclysm. All we know is that Varian keeps building statues.

Draenei have the Exodar up and running. Azuremyst is open to the Alliance, but I can't imagine that a species of dimension travelling super saints wants for much. Giant crystal. Subsist off light and faith, etc. Night Elves would oppose logging, besides.

Gilneas, we know, is in the process of being reclaimed. Varian said as much following the Siege, and I can't imagine that this unified Alliance would ignore that. Sylvanas opposes this, we know, and I can't imagine Vol'jin - a troll and a committed boy scout - would feel comfortable with it...

Night Elves have Ashenvale 100%.

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I think the Overgrowth is permanent, given it's connection to the Dream/Wailing Caverns. The implication is that, as long as the caverns remain, so will the trees. That's the impression I got from quests and exploration, anyway. Abundant resources and plenty, but it's all... Buried. And controlled by Elves. :V
Wait, do the elves really control the Overgrowth? I figured they'd have let the Horde keep it since it's far enough away from their base of power. I guess the Alliance can control it from Dustwallow.

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As for the watershed, I don't think it's going anywhere. Nevermind the quilboar in the region, but I believe there was some fringe lore arguing for it's toxicity. I'm not a big fan of that, though, but it might come up some day.
The soil's probably of bad quality anyway.

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WC2 had offshore drilling for both factions. Remember, though, that STEAM is the big thing for the Alliance; Oil has always been a goblin/Horde obsession...

Azshara, on the other hand, is a weird thing. I'm pretty sure the Elves wanted nothing to do with it, you know. They considered it condemned land. Haunted, evil... You're Not Supposed to Go There.

Now, all of a sudden, you've got these people coming in, exploiting the natural resources, ignoring all these ghosts and spirits. Imagine if, one day, we get aliens coming down, harvesting resources from Chernobyl, seeming immune to any radioactivity. Think the Czech would be okay with that? Same goes for Felwood - Horde had pretty extensive operations there, but it was, again, met with resistance.

Kinda wonder what all this supernatural lumber is going to lead to...
I think you mean Ukrainians, not Czechs, but yeah. Strangely, I thought that the elves neglecting Azshara was head canon on my part (which is why I'd assumed that it was considered a Kaldorei land). It's been a while since I've studied the lore closely.

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Anyway, Alliance...

We know the Dwarves are absolutely fine. There's no end to the resources of Khaz Modan, it seems. Moira's return also opens routes to the Burning Steppes... As a Horde player, it kinda frightens me that the dwarves are just getting stronger!
I had this theory that under Garrosh, the Horde might have switched to paper currency in order to reduce dependence on gold (which is mostly in dwarven hands) and to make it easier for the government to raise money. This is what happens when you play WoW while taking a Master's level econ course.

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Stormwind is ailing, last we saw. Financial crisis following the Northern campaign... Hasn't been addressed since Cataclysm. All we know is that Varian keeps building statues.
Realistically, Stormwind seems like it should still have some serious problems. My theory was always that Khaz Modan is basically bankrolling Stormwind to handle the fighting while the dwarves root out their internal problems (Cataclysm damage and the collapse of the Dark Iron Empire).

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Draenei have the Exodar up and running. Azuremyst is open to the Alliance, but I can't imagine that a species of dimension travelling super saints wants for much. Giant crystal. Subsist off light and faith, etc. Night Elves would oppose logging, besides.

Gilneas, we know, is in the process of being reclaimed. Varian said as much following the Siege, and I can't imagine that this unified Alliance would ignore that. Sylvanas opposes this, we know, and I can't imagine Vol'jin - a troll and a committed boy scout - would feel comfortable with it
I'm guessing that the Alliance would reclaim Gilneas (including Silverpine up to the Sepulcher) and create some kind of a DMZ that cordons off the Forsaken.

Realistically, the Alliance should demand much more, but like I said: plot armor. At the very least the Forsaken should be hemmed in to just Tirisfal, northern Silverpine, and maybe a sliver of the Western Plaguelands. Threaten them with open war if they ever advance beyond these borders. Oh, and probably insist on handing over Sylvanas, her military strategists, and all or most of the RAS.

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Night Elves have Ashenvale 100%.

Of the goblins involved in that affair, not a single one didn't think, "Man, I wish I'd thought of that..."
Agreed.
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