After reading a reddit post I have an idea that the Jailer is the original source of the Lich King's power. Demons aren't known for mastery of undeath, but the Nathrezim do like to delve where they really shouldn't. They were basically void cultists before they joined the Legion after all. So they dig around in the Shadowlands, find the Jailer, and essentially steal fire from the gods, siphoning his powers while using his command of the undead as a blueprint for their own Lich King.

Guess Blizzard wants to shit on Kael more.

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The jailer does use a helm (or has a head, who knows) that looks a lot like the Helm of Domination.

Maybe they'll use one of the Arthas Lich King concept arts for him? The one in which Arthas body fused with his armor?

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they will redeem kael'thas, not arthas

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Do you say that because you genuinely want to play a Horde high elf?

Because, otherwise, that sounds like a really spiteful thing to wish for, considering that a subset of Alliance fans has been asking for playable high elves since the core game was in development and that high elves have been members of the Alliance since Warcraft 2.

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How's that shitting on him? Looks like they're redeeming him.

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Guess I spoke too soon. I just found out Revendreth is WoW Purgatory.

In any case, is Sylvanas really gungho with the Jailer or is she gonna pull an Azshara?

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I want thematic eyes for my characters, hunter blue, green DH, golden paladin.

there are blood elves with blue eyes in the lore recognized by developers as lanesh

Yes, it would be. Sorry if I'm too negative, Blizzard's writing will do that to you.








Yeah, I think the blue eyes look nicer too, and go well thematically with a hunter or mage.

Yeah, that's one of the major reasons I've given up the WC lore.

There were many interesting plot that could be used as future setup, but Blizzard simply discard them and retcon whenever they thought of something new.

BfA was the last straw for me.

And since the only feature that caught my eye so far is character customization, I'm considering it's time for me to stop.

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I think the new leveling system is very interesting!

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I keep saying I need to stop as well. I haven't been subscribed in a year in a 1/2 since I left for FFXIV(though I'm on break from that as well). But I still keep popping in too see what's up.

The new character options and leveling really have me interested as well. I keep trying to leave and they pull me back in!

On the official forums, I keep seeing people mentioning that Shadowlands will have 4 factions. What's up with that? Is it true?

Thery're something called 'Covenants'. From what I gather they're something like the Aldor/Scryers, but a four way choice instead of two.

Not factions in the sense of Horde/Alliance.

They're NPC groups you need to ally with. Choosing one gives you an active class power, a generic utility and access to a different campaign, special upgradeable mount and transmog.

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https://blizzardwatch.com/2019/11/02...w-shadowlands/

Meanwhile at the Q&A panel they said to expect a lot of blood elf customizations.

I pray we endure the shitshow.

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That severely devalues the only feature I was looking for.

My two main characters are from allied races, and I'm not satisfied with either.

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More than 40 customization options for blood elves

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Was there any discussion of an 8.3.5 and what the final two allied races will be?

No, and from the looks of it I'm guessing there's no 8.3.5 nor any allied races planned.

8.3 will probably be BfA's last patch.

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That's interesting, I guess they had a hard time thinking of Undead/Worgen allied races, or maybe the updated customization options rendered the need for additional allied races mute from their perspective.

8.3.5 is probably gonna be the prelude prepatch, with new heritage armor.

Also I am happy that we aren't getting Lightbound Undead Allied Races. But I am sure we will get more Allied Races in the future.

Seeing Sylvanas take down the Scourge and Bolvar legit annoys the hell out of me, and the whole breaking the Lich King's helm and ripping a hole into the Shadowlands just came out of nowhere.

I kind of assumed the scope of the Lich King's power and dabbling into necromancy was what made the barrier between the physical and Shadowlands so thin that he needed to use his power to keep the barrier from literally breaking apart; so breaking his helm disrupted that. But even if I'm somehow right, or there's some other explanation, it's so out of left field.

That being said, the Shadowlands are looking kind of interesting, even if not what you'd expect given how it was described before, and the new factions definitely look very interesting at first glance. Hope it turns out to be good.

Also, Kael was mentioned to being there? That's interesting. Wonder who's that enemy he's pursuing? Maybe Arthas. I'd actually like it if they started using them both, especially since I assumed Arthas would play a role against Sylvanas. Not gonna lie, I'd also love it if they tried redeeming Kael a little, even if blizz is horrible with redemptions.

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That is my main takeaway too, it is just so unnecessary. I am not even sure if you caught the worst of it, Ian said that there is a retcon and the Legion no longer built Ner'zul's helm and sword but some older Shadowlands entity we will get to meet.

And I was just whyyyy, it is so stupid and unnecessary. Retcons are an absolutely Godawful "tool." Can you imagine Tolstoy retconning his books? And they use it for no reason at all, just because tying things together caught their fancy for a moment. Fucking guppies, they are by far the worst authors I have ever had the displeasure of following.

Ripping the helm up and letting all those souls could conceivably shred the already weak veil over ICC, no need to tie the helm to the Shadowlands directly. It is just so unnecessary, gah!
At least it seems they remember the bit that if there is no LK the Scourge will run rampant and that will be the pre-expansion event, ofc instead of being the world ending threat it will be a nuisance for the heroes and a speed bump, nothing more. Which makes sense btw, a defeated and leaderless Scourge should be little threat, it is the WotLK ending that made no sense and was perhaps the first great lorelol but it happened and now when the Scourge is mopped up easily it will just grow.

This is so dumb. Why.

I guess they just wanted to have this goofy fight where the Lich King and Sylvanas are flinging rocks at eachother and they fake-out Sylvanas putting the Helm of Domination on.

It's so cheap. Introduce something new. Do something new. I know they want to tie every expansion into the last one for some... indecipherable reason. Which isn't even remotely necessary either.

They literally could have just had us team up with the Lich King because he feels like the warden of death or something. If they really wanted to reintroduce them.

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