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Old 07-17-2012, 06:42 PM
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The mecha-gnomes of Ulduar already had mechano-striders so I'd imagine historical gnomes would have no need for ponies.
Weren't mechano-striders invented though by High Tinker Mekkatorque?

(By the way, we raised the (irrelevant) question earlier about what humanity was doing during the War of the Three Hammers, but what about the gnomes?)
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:45 PM
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Weren't mechano-striders invented though by High Tinker Mekkatorque?

(By the way, we raised the (irrelevant) question earlier about what humanity was doing during the War of the Three Hammers, but what about the gnomes?)
Probably looking at internet porn.



But speaking of the dwarves, can anyone help me find the source of this uncited statement from WoWPedia?

"When the Well of Eternity imploded at the end of the War of the Ancients 10,000 years ago, causing the Sundering, the transforming Series Two-earthen were deeply affected, feeling the pain of the earth as if it were their own. They retreated to the places of their origin the Titan cities of Uldum, Uldaman, and Ulduar and hibernated for almost eight thousand years."

http://www.wowpedia.org/Dwarves
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:47 PM
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Probably looking at internet porn.



But speaking of the dwarves, can anyone help me find the source of this uncited statement from WoWPedia?

"When the Well of Eternity imploded at the end of the War of the Ancients 10,000 years ago, causing the Sundering, the transforming Series Two-earthen were deeply affected, feeling the pain of the earth as if it were their own. They retreated to the places of their origin the Titan cities of Uldum, Uldaman, and Ulduar and hibernated for almost eight thousand years."

http://www.wowpedia.org/Dwarves
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:49 PM
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Okay, well it looks like Dwarves are sitting out most of history then.
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:51 PM
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Weren't mechano-striders invented though by High Tinker Mekkatorque?

(By the way, we raised the (irrelevant) question earlier about what humanity was doing during the War of the Three Hammers, but what about the gnomes?)
Cut Short mentions that the mechagnomes saw mechanostriders when the alliance came to Northrend and were so impressed they created their own. Mekkatorque is extremely proud of this.
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:53 PM
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Cut Short mentions that the mechagnomes saw mechanostriders when the alliance came to Northrend and were so impressed they created their own. Mekkatorque is extremely proud of this.
Question one solved.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:02 PM
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But speaking of the dwarves, can anyone help me find the source of this uncited statement from WoWPedia?

"When the Well of Eternity imploded at the end of the War of the Ancients 10,000 years ago, causing the Sundering, the transforming Series Two-earthen were deeply affected, feeling the pain of the earth as if it were their own. They retreated to the places of their origin the Titan cities of Uldum, Uldaman, and Ulduar and hibernated for almost eight thousand years."

http://www.wowpedia.org/Dwarves
Ouch. I should get around to fixing that. You have to point out these things.

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Okay, well it looks like Dwarves are sitting out most of history then.
I'm still trying to figure them out. The thread I made a bit ago helped, but didn't produce anything definitive.

http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/...ad.php?t=26827

http://www.wowpedia.org/Earthen

I think the earthen page is much better.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:07 PM
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Hey, if you need something that draws together the YA/teenagers/whatever, let it be that new Pokemon battle! That'll do the trick!

BY THE WAY, I'M GOING TO SPEND WAY TOO MUCH TIME PLAYING THAT. I LOVE IT ALREADY.
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:13 PM
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Typical day at Blizzard

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moira's ass > whitemane's ass?
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More cushion for the pushin'.
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titan designed cushion
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oh god khaz'goroth was an ass man wasn't he
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ahh helllll yeah
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dat ass fall into lava
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:26 PM
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dat ass fall into lava
TIL your name is ANYONE WILLING TO GIVE AWAY A CLOAK OF SPEED +?
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:35 PM
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dat ass fall into lava
I'm taking this to mean that Blizzard has plans to start releasing pinups and I will be exceedingly disappointed both in the company and in you personally if that does not occur.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:05 PM
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Whitemane's ass > Moira's. This is fact.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:12 PM
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Whitemane's ass > Moira's. This is fact.
That's not a really fair comparison though, we haven't even seen Moira's ass properly. Frankly, with that face of hers I can only assume the rest of what she's got has to be magnificent, otherwise why would Tharussian have bothered?
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:29 PM
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Wait what? Didn't Loken seal the Earthen into the Uld's after the war between the giants?

Marnak yells: Unknown. Data suggests that impetus for global combat originated with prime designate Loken who neutralized all remaining Aesir and Vanir affecting termination of conflict. Prime designate Loken then initiated stasis of several seed races including Earthen, Giant and Vrykul at designated holding facilities.

So was it the Sundering or Loken?

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Old 07-18-2012, 09:43 PM
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Wait what? Didn't Loken seal the Earthen into the Uld's after the war between the giants?

Marnak yells: Unknown. Data suggests that impetus for global combat originated with prime designate Loken who neutralized all remaining Aesir and Vanir affecting termination of conflict. Prime designate Loken then initiated stasis of several seed races including Earthen, Giant and Vrykul at designated holding facilities.

So was it the Sundering or Loken?
http://www.wowpedia.org/Earthen#The_Sundering

Good question. It was Loken, most likely, but it may have been both.

Look at the vrykul. I'm not certain if it is ever spelled out (I can't remember), but I'm fairly certain that they hibernated on Ymiron's orders. If I'm right, and it was, Loken might have put the idea in his head.

Human births? Hibernate it out. No Old God plot here.

Sundering? Hibernate it out. No Old God plot here.

Or it may be an incorrect dwarf legend.

I can't cite why the vrykul hibernated (besides the 'it was Loken' answer) off the top of my head, so it may be just out of my ass.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:53 PM
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I can only find things about Ymiron ordering them to send the humans away, nothing about hibernating. Loken probably gave the command personally to the Vrykul. Which I can only assume means he gave it personally to the Earthen as well.

The source that says the Sundering is what forced the Earthen into hibernation is an in-game book. The source that says it was Loken is a Titan-made computer. So I think we can blame the book on a faulty in-universe perspective; that that's what the Dwarves thought before we got the infodump on Loken in HoS.

That or they were sealed in the Uld's twice.

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Old 07-18-2012, 10:58 PM
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I can only find things about Ymiron ordering them to send the humans away, nothing about hibernating. Loken probably gave the command personally to the Vrykul. Which I can only assume means he gave it personally to the Earthen as well.

The source that says the Sundering is what forced the Earthen into hibernation is an in-game book. The source that says it was Loken is a Titan-made computer. So I think we can blame the book on a faulty in-universe perspective; that that's what the Dwarves thought before we got the infodump on Loken in HoS.

That or they were sealed in the Uld's twice.
Well, Ymiron actually ordered them to kill the human infants; sending them away was a result of some vrykul parents disobeying Ymiron's command because they couldn't bring themselves to murder their own children, "malformed" or not.

The timing of the war between the Aesir and Vanir makes it hard to pin much down for certain, but it's possible that Loken's command might have only affected the newer earthen batches made by the Forge of Wills, while those who were already infected with the Curse of Flesh and would become dwarves might have been effectively severed from the titanic defenses' "chain of command" once it was decided that their particular sort of free-wheeling, fleshy mutation was an acceptable deviation.

The titans deemed the dwarves (and logically, one would assume any earthen already Cursed in such a manner as to become dwarves) worthy of existence, but that could just mean they cut them loose entirely to eventually develop on their own. They didn't necessarily want them to remain a part of their "perfect" system that kept Azeroth running from behind the scenes either.

Thus, it could be that the the earthen who fought in the War of the Ancients and eventually went into hibernation after the Sundering to awaken as the Ironforge dwarves were the already-Cursed batch of earthen, while the non-afflicted, "newer" earthen created by the Forge of wills slept through the whole thing along with the vrykul, earth giants and storm giants.

We haven't been told just how rapidly the Curse of Flesh normally turns an earthen into a dwarf, so it could be feasible that it would take a very long time (to us, while to the titans it would seem comparatively fast-acting) or even that entering stasis itself accelerated the process. Or stasis could have served as the catalyst for the whole thing if going into stasis periodically had already been a regular part of every earthen's "programmed" functions and routines. Thus the infected could have remained physically earthen even through to the end of the WotA, then entered stasis post-Sundering and instigated their own mutation into dwarves by doing so.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:24 PM
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So I want some characters between the ages of 13 and 25 and their classes, if applicable. So far I have the following characters and would like a few more suggestions.

Human:
Anduin Wrynn, priest
Aodhan, mage

Dragon:
Wrathion, rogue? (okay granted he's like 1 year old as of MoP but he acts like a teenager)

Blood Elf:
Valeera Sanguinar, rogue
Salandria, paladin?

Half Elf:
Giramar, mage?
Galadin, mage?
Arator, paladin

Orc:
Thura Saurfang, warrior

Undead:
Lillian Voss, mage? warlock? shadow priest?

Draenei:
Dornaa, shaman?

Dwarf:
Wildhammer Fact Checker (yes if I have my way IGoD is gettin' lore)

Pandaren:
Li Li Stormstout, monk



So yeah. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Are there any young warlocks, hunters, druids or death knights in the setting?
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:37 PM
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So I want some characters between the ages of 13 and 25 and their classes, if applicable. So far I have the following characters and would like a few more suggestions.

So yeah. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Are there any young warlocks, hunters, druids or death knights in the setting?
This might help:

http://www.wowpedia.org/Child

I personally like Relara Whitemoon, though she may be too young, due to night elf mortality finally being cared about in Cataclysm. Maybe she gets motivated with a new outlook by her near-death and recovery or something. It was like only her, and then come Cata the issue gets remembered again all over (Istaria dying, Shalasyr dying of sickness, Tyrande wanting babies, and so on).

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On this point, I personally take her to be multiple classes (a blend of mage, shadow priest, rogue, warlock, warrior, and an emulation of death knight abilities... maybe monk...). It is possible in-universe, just not for players or characters Blizzard wants players to identify with.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:37 PM
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Blood elf:

Salandria is a paladin and should be on the lower end of the scale.

Draenei:

Leena, a shaman, may be within the draenic equivalent your age span.

Dornaa is a shaman and should be on the lower end of the scale, equivalently.

Humans:

Lieren is a warrior.

Loania is a mage.

Twins, obviously.

Jimmy Blackridge, a rogue, might be on the upper end.

Liam is a mage.

Bram Woodring might be a rogue, but he definitely uses engineering.

Tauren:

Kova Broadhorn is a shaman (with alchemy as a profession).

Gnome:

Miles Corebender is a warrior. Might fit on the upper end of the scale, if you take into account a gnome's longevity compared to humans.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:40 PM
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Salandria and Dornaa are over thirteen? Anyways, How old is Darion Mograine? Unless I'm mistaken he was a teenager during the Third War, though even if he is in the right age range he might not be the best option.

Also, wouldn't it make sense for Wrathion to lean towards being a shaman, given his flight's intended domain? I know there's a whole host of reasons why that could be disregarded as a possibility, but I figured I'd throw it out there.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:42 PM
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Ando Blastenheimer, though I'm not sure of his class (besides "engineer").
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Have we ever actually seen a black dragon manipulate earth, beyond breathing lava?
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Have we ever actually seen a black dragon manipulate earth, beyond breathing lava?
It doesn't count that Deathwing physically tore the planet a new one?
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Roo eventually becomes his tribe's high-oracle, so he might be in the appropriate age range. I'd peg him as a shaman, considering how they're the ones with the visions of the future thing going on... moreso than mages, at least.

Kekek is most likely a warrior. Again, might be in the age range.
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