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Old 09-30-2011, 03:14 PM
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One of the people I admire most has to be Gandhi. Anyone who promotes peace through non-violence has the right idea. Since violence is always a choice, it means that we can choose not to be violent.

I regard this guy as my national hero for completely unrelated reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Parisot_de_la_Valette
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Old 09-30-2011, 03:27 PM
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Robert E. Lee. You might hate the side he fought for but I can't help admire his loyalty to his home. He was also a badass general, leading an upset against the Union until they got their act together.
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Old 09-30-2011, 03:30 PM
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I regard this guy as my national hero for completely unrelated reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Parisot_de_la_Valette
Absolutely awesome choice.


One of mine would have to be Rudyard Kipling. Takes a hell of a man to try to get his son into army so much.
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Winston Churchill

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Old 09-30-2011, 03:35 PM
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Absolutely awesome choice.
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/valette.html

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Winston Churchill

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And how could admiring Winston Churchill be taken as trolling me?
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And how could admiring Winston Churchill be taken as trolling me?
Churchill was at odds with Gandhi and didn't immediately embrace the notion of giving up India as a colony.

But he is sincerely one of my favorite historical figures.
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Old 09-30-2011, 03:40 PM
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Churchill was at odds with Gandhi and didn't immediately embrace the notion of giving up India as a colony.

But he is sincerely one of my favorite historical figures.
I joined the university student division of the British Army (would never have imagined there'd be such a thing before I came here) because I had a huge respect for the British Empire. Malta having been a colony is why I speak English and why I can't go without tea. It was preferable to Italian rule, which was the alternative.

So I quite like Churchill.
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I read 'The Great Seige: Malta 1565'. Absolutely amazing book. There really should be a film made about it.
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I read 'The Great Seige: Malta 1565'. Absolutely amazing book. There really should be a film made about it.
If you like, one of the best books I've ever read (call me biased) is the Sword and the Scimitar. It is an accurate historical fiction novel about the Great Siege.

The two main characters are both Maltese, brother and sister. The brother is captured by Muslim slavers and raised as a Janissary, if I remember correctly. The sister remains in Malta.

So when the Great Siege happens, the brother returns to Malta for the first time since he was a boy, but he is with the invading army.

The story is extremely well written and tells the tale of the Great Siege accurately, while fleshing out very cool characters and their conflicts and relationships with both fictional and real persons.

You can get it on ebay cheaply. I'd really love to hear what somebody else has to say about it.
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I joined the university student division of the British Army (would never have imagined there'd be such a thing before I came here) because I had a huge respect for the British Empire. Malta having been a colony is why I speak English and why I can't go without tea. It was preferable to Italian rule, which was the alternative.

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Fair enough. I just didn't want you to think I spit out Churchill as a foil to your Gandhi.

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If you like, one of the best books I've ever read (call me biased) is the Sword and the Scimitar. It is an accurate historical fiction novel about the Great Siege.

The two main characters are both Maltese, brother and sister. The brother is captured by Muslim slavers and raised as a Janissary, if I remember correctly. The sister remains in Malta.

So when the Great Siege happens, the brother returns to Malta for the first time since he was a boy, but he is with the invading army.

The story is extremely well written and tells the tale of the Great Siege accurately, while fleshing out very cool characters and their conflicts and relationships with both fictional and real persons.

You can get it on ebay cheaply. I'd really love to hear what somebody else has to say about it.
That sounds pretty awesome. I'll add that to the list of books I keep an eye out for when I prowl the used bookstores around here.
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If you like, one of the best books I've ever read (call me biased) is the Sword and the Scimitar. It is an accurate historical fiction novel about the Great Siege.
I'll check it out. Sound very interesting.

I really need to visit Malta some day.
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Old 09-30-2011, 03:52 PM
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Fair enough. I just didn't want you to think I spit out Churchill as a foil to your Gandhi.
Even if you had, he's a pretty classy foil.

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I'll check it out. Sound very interesting.

I really need to visit Malta some day.
I think outside of the UK it is called Ironfire.

If you do visit Malta, be sure to let me know. It makes a world of difference to have somebody who knows all the cool places that tourists miss.
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Tolkien.

I don't care if the fantasy that followed in his steps is 'generic,' you know someone's a badass when he writes a deep and complicated mythology just to explain the roots and evolution of a language that he made himself.
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of a language that he made himself.
Agreed.

As long as we don't admire people who learn Klingon.
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As long as we don't admire people who learn Klingon.
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My wife loves Jean Auel.

Wait, you're not suckering us into reading a historical romance novel, are you?
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Europe: Napoleon

He almost unified Europe.

America: Lincoln and FDR

They both helped US survive through the most difficult time.
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Hmm I have a few.

For starters I have to posit Old Fritz
Frederick the Great:
He took his state from a back water to a well oiled powerful state. All through pragmatism unlike most rulers he only took what he could control. When he expanded he consolidated his modest gains. Not very greedy. Takes great control to know when you have enough.

Next
King Henry I of England:
SOn of William the Conquerer. He was the one to say an illetrate king was a dumb ass and needed to get bent. He turned his two older brothers against eahc other so he could weaken them and take their shit from them making him King of England and Duke of Normany. Of course it only went so far as they teamed up against him until his brother that was king died, making him seize power and then beat his brother and take Normandy.
This fucker used guile.

Of course my ancestor Ghengis Khan:
His rise came from a tribe killed his father and kicked his mum and him out their land, his mum reminded him of this fact, so he united his people and made them into a formidable army, that tribe no longer exists. XD
Also he made one of the largest empires the world has ever seen thus allow the silk road to be relatively peaceful enough for trade to really start flowing. And (to me) his most impressive achievement: for every 3 people he killed he impregnated one, making him the ancestor of 1% of people alive today (I am sure some of you too may be one of his many descendants)
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One of the people I admire most has to be Gandhi. Anyone who promotes peace through non-violence has the right idea. Since violence is always a choice, it means that we can choose not to be violent.

I regard this guy as my national hero for completely unrelated reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Parisot_de_la_Valette
I agree with this, as well as Martin Luther King, Jr. the man had great charisma.
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Old 10-01-2011, 06:22 PM
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They also had great compassion as well. Sometimes the truly great are compassionate.
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Old 10-01-2011, 06:27 PM
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Napoleon.
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Mahatma Gandhi.

Mother Teresa of Calcuta.

Ral Alfonsn.

Jos de San Martn.
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Benjamin Franklin and Leonardo da Vinci have always been my favorite historical figures.
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In some ways Rodrigo De Borja
Something must be said of the man's audacity.
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