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Old 09-30-2010, 01:31 PM
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Post Concerning the possible Old God beneath Tirisfal

Whenever a discussion of the Old God's is brought up, someone will always speculate that there is one below Tirisfal Glades, or very near there. The proof is usually laid out by sighting the High Elves flight from the area after some of them went insane, and also usually mentions the unused area to the west of the zone.

So I'm a little surprised that on of my favorite horde quests never gets mentioned that sends you in to execute some perceived Forsaken traitors in the Dalaran internment camp. They each carry a piece of a material called Bloodstone, and when you kill the wizard who is watching over their captivity, you receive her jounal, which contains some of the most ominous in-game lore i can remember hearing, and all but spells out that she belives this Bloodstone is connected to a Old God, and that the Forsaken are playing with fire.

Of course this is one of the many ambiguous, unfinished detours Blizzard took with vanilla quests, the kind that added a real mystery to the old world that doesn't exist in Outland, Northrend, and probably won't in the redesigned areas since all the quests are being reset. Two thoughts though: 1.) Does anyone think this will ever be followed up on? (I'd say no) and 2.) Would a Old God underneath Northern Loerdaron explain alot of thing (Arthas losing his soul, Sylvanas losing her mind and essentially becoming the Horde's own Lich Queen)?

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Old 09-30-2010, 06:22 PM
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Do we really need an Old God to explain Sylvanas's descent into madness?

Is it really so hard to believe that being killed in a (implicitly) messy, slow, and painful way only to be raised by the person who killed you as a slave to his will/undead monstrosity (a hot one though ) and then after regaining your free will living only to gain vengeance on that person might well break you mentally?
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Do we really need an Old God to explain Sylvanas's descent into madness?

Is it really so hard to believe that being killed in a (implicitly) messy, slow, and painful way only to be raised by the person who killed you as a slave to his will/undead monstrosity (a hot one though ) and then after regaining your free will living only to gain vengeance on that person might well break you mentally?

If she weren't said to have changed by one of her apothecaries i'd agree.

And though I don't WANT something to be influencing her (Cause blizz has bashed her enough ) I think something is.

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Do we really need an Old God to explain Sylvanas's descent into madness?

Is it really so hard to believe that being killed in a (implicitly) messy, slow, and painful way only to be raised by the person who killed you as a slave to his will/undead monstrosity (a hot one though ) and then after regaining your free will living only to gain vengeance on that person might well break you mentally?
No, probably not. But most people SEEM to agree there is one around this part of the world, just a thought, it probably has nothing to do with it, but I always thought this quest was quite revealing. It's entirely possible that Blizz has no plans for it. In all likelihood she is just basking in her own evil power.
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Well, there are a lots of hints there...

- High elves ( well, highborne) came here and heard whispers, became crazy, went to Quel Thalas.

- there is a zone called "Whispering shores" there

- There is the quest mentioned earlier, and those bloodstone that seems to be another kind of Saronite, Silithist and such

- And the strange golems guarding undercity in the RPG books ( yeah, I know, rpg books...)

- And a rumor about Krasus having a sanctum of his own there and hearing whispers too ( apparently )

So... mmm, it's kinda fishy.


Moreover, since Cataclysm they have revamped the western area, and curiously there is some level 80-81 creep there, a strange mushroom circle with "fey-drunk darter" all around... So they may have a use of this zone during this expansion , maybe...
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Dude, epic necropost. WTF?
I used the search function , wanted to talk about that and knew there was a thread, so I used it instead of creating a new one :p
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Whenever a discussion of the Old God's is brought up, someone will always speculate that there is one below Tirisfal Glades, or very near there. The proof is usually laid out by sighting the High Elves flight from the area after some of them went insane, and also usually mentions the unused area to the west of the zone.

So I'm a little surprised that on of my favorite horde quests never gets mentioned that sends you in to execute some perceived Forsaken traitors in the Dalaran internment camp. They each carry a piece of a material called Bloodstone, and when you kill the wizard who is watching over their captivity, you receive her jounal, which contains some of the most ominous in-game lore i can remember hearing, and all but spells out that she belives this Bloodstone is connected to a Old God, and that the Forsaken are playing with fire.

Of course this is one of the many ambiguous, unfinished detours Blizzard took with vanilla quests, the kind that added a real mystery to the old world that doesn't exist in Outland, Northrend, and probably won't in the redesigned areas since all the quests are being reset. Two thoughts though: 1.) Does anyone think this will ever be followed up on? (I'd say no) and 2.) Would a Old God underneath Northern Loerdaron explain alot of thing (Arthas losing his soul, Sylvanas losing her mind and essentially becoming the Horde's own Lich Queen)?

No I don't think that an Old God is behind EVERYTHING, Arthas' fall was caused by the Lich King(through you cans say that the Old God was behind his more radical choices), and Sylvanas had to do what she had to do for the survival of the Forsaken. But I won't be surprised if there is an Old God down there, and that he is starting to surface
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Old 05-20-2011, 01:16 PM
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No I don't think that an Old God is behind EVERYTHING, Arthas' fall was caused by the Lich King(through you cans say that the Old God was behind his more radical choices), and Sylvanas had to do what she had to do for the survival of the Forsaken. But I won't be surprised if there is an Old God down there, and that he is starting to surface
Nah, it's just easier to blame everything bad in Azeroth happening because an Old God is behind it somehow...

It's "Simpson's did it!" but more.... evil...
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I feel that it is more possible that there is an Old God under the Twilight Highlands and under the Ashenvale/Stonetalon region as there is quite a lot of Old god activity there.
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I've got this strange feeling that the Bastion of Twilight might not be where we think it is. Notice, we never actually see the place in the Twilight Highlands. All we see is a spire and a portal that takes us to the place. Wherever it is, it has to be somewhere deep underground and volcanic as can be seen in the background of the Halfus fight. They even leave the location of the place intentionally vague in the official website description, hinting that it's actual location remains unknown and is of some significance.

In all likelihood it's probably just some cavern near Grim Batol, but I'm going to throw a curve ball out there and say ... Mount Kajaro?
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I've got this strange feeling that the Bastion of Twilight might not be where we think it is. Notice, we never actually see the place in the Twilight Highlands. All we see is a spire and a portal that takes us to the place. Wherever it is, it has to be somewhere deep underground and volcanic as can be seen in the background of the Halfus fight. They even leave the location of the place intentionally vague in the official website description, hinting that it's actual location remains unknown and is of some significance.

In all likelihood it's probably just some cavern near Grim Batol, but I'm going to throw a curve ball out there and say ... Mount Kajaro?
Since there is Sinestra as an optionnal boss inside it's more beneath Grim batol ^^
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I've got this strange feeling that the Bastion of Twilight might not be where we think it is. Notice, we never actually see the place in the Twilight Highlands. All we see is a spire and a portal that takes us to the place. Wherever it is, it has to be somewhere deep underground and volcanic as can be seen in the background of the Halfus fight. They even leave the location of the place intentionally vague in the official website description, hinting that it's actual location remains unknown and is of some significance.

In all likelihood it's probably just some cavern near Grim Batol, but I'm going to throw a curve ball out there and say ... Mount Kajaro?
All of the art assets for it are labeled "grimbatolraid", so, there's that, too.
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I feel that it is more possible that there is an Old God under the Twilight Highlands and under the Ashenvale/Stonetalon region as there is quite a lot of Old god activity there.
On the alliance side of stonetalon I thought the old god presence was random and forced.

I mean the quest could have theoretically been named "Suddenly: Tentacles!" and it would have been fine.

There was little to no warning of it, just suddenly you turned around and fought tentacles and easily dispatched a faceless one.
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No I don't think that an Old God is behind EVERYTHING, Arthas' fall was caused by the Lich King(through you cans say that the Old God was behind his more radical choices), and Sylvanas had to do what she had to do for the survival of the Forsaken. But I won't be surprised if there is an Old God down there, and that he is starting to surface
They are not behind everything, but most of it.

Without them no curse of flesh, no demon soul, no Cataclysm, no nagas, no.. well, almost everything not involving the Burning Legion, which is.. mm well, at least 75% of Azeroth crap.
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I sincerely doubt they would pull the old god card out on the Forsaken, but that aside... are the undead even susceptible to old god mind-rape?
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I sincerely doubt they would pull the old god card out on the Forsaken, but that aside... are the undead even susceptible to old god mind-rape?
I suspect no based on certain things mentioned by the faceless ones. It could be that the whispers forsaken players get are really just a gameplay thing or a lack of blizzards vision. That would actually be a good question to bring up at Blizz Con really.
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I suspect no based on certain things mentioned by the faceless ones. It could be that the whispers forsaken players get are really just a gameplay thing or a lack of blizzards vision. That would actually be a good question to bring up at Blizz Con really.
You're right. We know that the Scourge undead are inmune to Old Gods whispers, but that could be a consequence of not having "mind"... The Forsaken, in the other hand, have dead bodies, but a "living" mind.
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I sincerely doubt they would pull the old god card out on the Forsaken
Well they did do the whole "there must always be a Lich King" that was taken from Diablo and Broodwar. They could just be reusing the Wings of Liberty story line. They have foreshadowed such things in the past.
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The Dev confirmed that there was no Old God under Tirisfal, but added that it wasn't recommended to dig there...

So what could be under there of terrible, making whisper ( hence whispering shores / whispering forests area ) and be malevolent ( bloodstone ) ?

I'll maybe add... Since there are a lots of reference to Tyr in Lordaeron...

Could it be that... Tyr-is-Fall ? Region where Tyr is located, buried? Tyr experiment underground undercity? What could it be?
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