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Finally, the Horde itself severs its connection to the demonic legion (i.e. Grom kills Mannoroth), and only then does the Old Horde truly die to make way for the New Horde (i.e. Grom dies and makes way for Thrall). EDIT: There's a reason "Cry of the Warsong" is one of my favorite levels. "Cry of the Warsong" is Grom trying to get you to play Warcraft II again. Last edited by BaronGrackle; 09-03-2017 at 09:16 PM.. |
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![]() I'm sure them being Creeps is what was the plan for the Blood Elves in WoW too (before TBC anyway). The Blood Elves were already out of the Alliance before TFT but not hostile to them yet. Hence Lord Garithos coming by to do his thing.
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![]() From some other thread on here:
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You wouldn't have a way to upload all the preview info would you? |
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That's why they had so many artworks with goblins.
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Anyway, here we go with the previews. First, I'd start with this Scrolls of Lore gallery, which contains several magazine scans; http://www.scrollsoflore.com/gallery/index.php?cat=10 Then there is this site which has many other scans, though mostly in German; http://www.blizzardarchive.com/pub/i...?id=printmedia https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads...thread.155117/ --- (I own some of the magazines in those three links physically, but nothing that is not there, so no use for me to scan anything) ---- Then there is this old fansite, which gathered everything it could on Warcraft III back in the day, and as such, there is a lot of information on the units and their abilities as envisioned in earlier versions. There are also many transcriptions of interviews, translations of non-English previews (including some of those German above), etc; https://web.archive.org/web/20010711...aftiii.net:80/ And there is also this old official timeline, from a Computer Games magazine preview (sadly, I do not own this preview, and have not been able to find a scan yet, all I know is it featured this timeline and some extensive information on the Night Elves). There are some interesting tidbits there, like Aegwynn defeating Sargeras merely 45 years ago, the Horde succeeding in destroying Quel'Thalas during the Second War, and the Alliance descending into civil strife as Warcraft III begins; https://web.archive.org/web/20010602...timeline.shtml Then there is this GameFan preview, which is one of the few previews that mention the decade long conflict; https://web.archive.org/web/20000621...=1747&t=p&pg=1 As the story develops, all the major races find themselves locked in decade-long conflict; the demonic horde re-opens the gateway between the Abyss and Azeroth and seeks to invade the realm, drain Azeroth�s primal magic power and, eventually, destroy the world. When these demonic legions stream through the portal to invade, the Orcs and Humans overlooking their ancient hatred and join forces to drive the demons back into the abyss. Then there is this IGN preview, but not too much there; https://web.archive.org/web/20010413...ews/12906.html And finally, there is also this exact copy of the 2000 Press Kit. The texts for the Alliance, the Horde, and the Scourge are relatively same as at release, but there is also a text for the Burning Legion (they were still planned to be playable at that point), revealing the original backstory for the Eredar. https://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/G.../Warcraft_III/ The Burning Legion is a terrifying nomadic army comprised of insidious demonic beings and horrifying creatures, gathered from countless burnt-out worlds and dimensions. It is rumored that the immortal Legion has existed since the beginning of the universe and that the Eredar - the leaders of the Legion - somehow destroyed their own home dimension, thereby inadvertently setting magic loose throughout all creation. Cursed to wander the countless dimensions of the Twisting nether consuming every last trace of magic it finds, the Burning Legion has ravaged innumerable worlds in order to sate its insatiable hunger for magic. Many eons ago, the Legion attempted to drain the world of Azeroth of its innate magic, but was narrowly defeated. Now, after nearly ten thousand years, the Legion has returned to finish-off Azeroth for good. The Legion uses its unstoppable melee fighters and the aphotic green fires of entropy itself as its primary tactical weapons. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote:
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![]() The Priest says "In Memory of Quel'thalas" (or something like that) when attacking. Would that be a leftover from Qt getting detroyed by the Horde?
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![]() It's rather likely. The same as with the Troll Headhunters (who were supposed to be forest trolls originally) saying "Vengeance for Zul'jin!". Plus, there were many more high elven units in the Alliance roster originally, like the Ranger hero or the Wind Serpent unit (later remade into Dragonhawk Rider).
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![]() I wonder where the High Elves were supposed to be during development and afterwards. I mean, considering WoW. You don't suppose making them into Blood Elves was done to have more Creeps in WoW?
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![]() A very old concept map for World of Warcraft had the isle of Quel'Danas listed as "new elven hangout", whereas Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon were listed as "ex elven hangout, semi-burned". Moreover, Quel'Danas was supposed to have a port to Valgarde (and Valgarde to Kul Tiras), strongly implying they were planned to be human aligned. So yes, I think the Blood Elves were conceptualized far late, to have more creeps in WoW (possibly Outland).
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![]() And the RPG had Blood Elves being villainous a lot. So was Illidan.
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![]() I know that bit about the Eredar destroying their own plane has long since been retconned, but it's interesting when compared to how Kil'jaeden seemed to feel about Argus.
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![]() I've always digged the idea of having playable Eredar and maintain that they are the best newly faction-locked playable species on paper (Night Elves shouldn't be in a Human Power Alliance, Worgens are too gimmicky, Blood Elves and Forsaken should be neutral). But I kinda wish they did more with their backstory than to make them retreads of the Orcs. If only by making them already imperialists hence getting Sargeras' attention.
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![]() According to TFT's preview, Illidan was an option to become the Lich King. I wonder if the bits in the RPG where Illida allied with the Blood Elves and tried to loot the Lich King's magic might have been based on an early draft of TFT.
Also, I guess most of the mentionings of WC3 happening in a decade were in German sources? Last edited by Almed; 09-07-2017 at 02:17 AM.. |
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2) I know of one German, and the one I posted here. |
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![]() What was the German one called?
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![]() I think it was mentioned in one of the GameStar previews, not sure which one. I know one of them mentioned that the Tauren joined the Horde to repay the centuries of human oppresion (yes, the Tauren were originally present in the East), it could be that one, had a lot of backstory present.
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![]() They were going all out on Humanity being the real monsters?
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![]() Well, as they said in that one interview, their aim was to get them almost down to the level of the Horde. Evening the scales.
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To even those scales and give humans a similar feel, WCIII would've needed to merge the Alliance and the Scourge into a single faction. Death Knights fighting alongside Footmen and Peasants, just as they had done with Grunts and Peons beforehand. Have Arthas become the actual king of Lordaeron instead of king of zombies. I understand why they didn't go that way. But still. Now I'm thinking how fun it would've been. |
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2. You mean the Forsaken? How would the Alliance accept them? |
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