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Old 09-28-2016, 11:25 PM
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Nonsense forum game, quote the poster or posters prior to you and make a development based on their proposed alteration or development.


Example.

SoLer1: Thrall and the Orcs crashed into the broken Isles after the Darkspear isles.


SoLer2:
A: The orcs saw parallels between Nightborne's magic addiction with the lethargy and helped their exiles cure it with that arcano-druid tree's fruit and some shamanism, took them along to Kalimdor.

B: Kil'jaeden Conquered outland instead of Illidan ruling Outland.


SoLer3:
A: We help free Illidan, Kael, and Vashj from Kil'jaeden's prisons to drive back the Legion in outland.

B: Shao Hao talks the Mogu into helping him fight the Legion instead of wreathing Pandaria in Mist.

(Replying to the bit with the nightborne/orcs would be optional)

Have fun, choose from any of the examples here if you want to get started.
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Old 09-29-2016, 01:14 AM
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Shao Hao talks the Mogu into helping him fight the Legion instead of wreathing Pandaria in Mist.
This.
If Mogu Empire indeed had at its core a notion of "continuing the work of Creators" (as at least Lei Shen has seen it) in a time when all the Keepers were depressed\lethargic\oblivious\feuding with each other\outright scheming with the Old Gods and could not carry out their duties, the Mogu could've known truth in Shao Hao's proposition. If it were to become a policy, Pandaren could find a way to pull (whether by their newfound force or wise exhortations, more likely both) the Mogu's deeply-seated sentiments, incorporating the remnants into a new empire and putting their talents to a good use -- to defend the creation.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone actully proposed this idea, but it didn't work and Shao Hao became the mystical heart of Pandaria to shroud the land instead.
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Old 09-29-2016, 01:34 AM
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Well, admittedly a potential the issue with the mogu thing is part of the reason the mogu empire collapsed was because the earnest continuance to the titans' plan was a pretty exclusively Lei Shen-directed thing and he'd overestimated his own peoples' willingness to stick with it, leading to the rest of the mogu veering off-course as soon as he was gone.

The Thunder King himself was the only mogu who actually "got it" (and even his version of things was skewed with the whole slavery angle) and his people rapidly squandered the knowledge and power base he'd built by pretty much immediately forgetting the importance of unity and purpose he'd imposed as Ra-den's "successor."

Without Lei Shen at the helm, the rest of the mogu didn't really retain those titan-forged sentiments and stopped meaningfully creating and building new things, preferring instead to just fight over what they already had. It's arguably why they eventually came around to bringing him back; even they realized in time that only the Thunder King himself could rein them in and make them empire-builders again.

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Old 09-29-2016, 03:12 AM
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You are probably right. Still, it doesn't mean no inside or outside force could've made an impact big enough for them to reconsider quite a few things.

Sometimes, being defeated (as is the case with post-Lei Shen Mogu) alone can send a ripple through the people enough to generate a new outlook, even if its actually something old and well-forgotten in itself. This is beyond mere revanchism (and especially pure restoration) and defeatism. It's not impossible to imagine -- since we're talking about alternative history here -- that the Mogu might've had a number of individuals among them strong and wise enough to discern where exactly it went wrong, find themselves purpose in exactly the "Work" Lei Shen has envisioned for their people (adapted for, well, the current situation of the Mogu as a whole) and connect with other remnants of the Empire, finding a way to ignite them with this "new" cause to lead them out of their miserable state.

After all, they style themselves as warrior people. This is a good chance to reinstill the ethos in the forms generally acceptable to the people and sanctioned by a cultural hero\founder figure. Especially in the face of an apocalyptic scenario: you either become a subject again or helplessly watch the world burn before you.

Who knows, maybe they also could've managed to re-establish the links with Zandalar. I'd love to see this version of War of the Ancients, in which the southern races would've been shown at least holding their ground and making incursions into the enemy territory -- just to see how exactly the Kaldorei politics and demonic invasion has affected them.
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:39 AM
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While camping in their youth one evening, Llane, Lothar, and Medivh-Sargeras are killed by a group of three jungle trolls.
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While camping in their youth one evening, Llane, Lothar, and Medivh-Sargeras are killed by a group of three jungle trolls.
A: The Jungle Trolls return home, but one of them is visited by nightmarish visions, Sargeras has leapt from Medivhs body to his, and now fel magic begins to seep out of the forests of stranglethorn as a new, aggressive, tribe begin to make a push for dominance.

B: The orcs don't just side with the Tauren, but unite members from all the barrens tribes, like Centaur, Quillboar and... ugh, Harpy.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:52 AM
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B: The orcs don't just side with the Tauren, but unite members from all the barrens tribes, like Centaur, Quillboar and... ugh, Harpy.
Years later, after Garrosh is removed from power in the Siege of Orgrimmar, the Centaur racial leader becomes warchief. He still rules today.
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Old 09-29-2016, 02:03 PM
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You need to add an scenario not just reply otherwisw you break the game noob
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Old 09-29-2016, 02:15 PM
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C'mon Genya, just look at the first four posts! :p

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In WCIII, when Arthas destroyed Silvermoon, killing Sylvanas and her forces was an optional quest. Imagine he chose not to, and she survived the fall of Silvermoon.
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Old 09-29-2016, 02:42 PM
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I arrived now not then

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After getting visited by the Prophet Medivh, Sylvanas rallied the surviving Alliance forces and set sail towards the west to the elven ancestral home, Kalimdor. There, setting her views aside, she formed a temporary alliance with the orcs to stop the fel infused Grom Hellscream, helped with the defense of the world tree and formed the nation state of Thera'more in order to keep a watchful eye over the Horde

B. Jaina was killed and raised as the Banshee Queen during the defense of Dalaran

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Old 09-29-2016, 03:26 PM
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After getting visited by the Prophet Medivh, Sylvanas rallied the surviving Alliance forces and set sail towards the west towards the elven ancestral home, Kalimdor. There, setting her viewd aside formed a temporary alliance with the orcs to stop the fel infused Grom Hellscream, helped with the defense of the world tree and formed the nation state of Ther'amor in order to keep a watchful eye over the Horde

B. Jaina was killed and raised as the Banshee Queen during the defense of Dalaran
A. After the Lich King's powers begin to wane, Lady Jaina rallies the now free-willed undead of Lordaeron and leads a rebellion against both King Arthas and the local Legion's lackeys. Her actions draw forward the likes of the undead Alonsus Faol and his protegé Calia Menethil, and with their prestige and connections now at hand, Jaina forges an alliance with Alexandros the Ashbrinder and restores her relations with the Kirin Tor. Ultimately, they rebuild Lordaeron together and rejoin the mighty Alliance.

B. During the Battle of Blackrock Spire, Lothar's sword does not break. Instead, it cuts the Doomhammer in two and strikes Warchief Orgrim down.
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Old 10-05-2016, 03:11 PM
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A. After the Lich King's powers begin to wane, Lady Jaina rallies the now free-willed undead of Lordaeron and leads a rebellion against both King Arthas and the local Legion's lackeys. Her actions draw forward the likes of the undead Alonsus Faol and his protegé Calia Menethil, and with their prestige and connections now at hand, Jaina forges an alliance with Alexandros the Ashbrinder and restores her relations with the Kirin Tor. Ultimately, they rebuild Lordaeron together and rejoin the mighty Alliance.

B. During the Battle of Blackrock Spire, Lothar's sword does not break. Instead, it cuts the Doomhammer in two and strikes Warchief Orgrim down.
As you approach the gates of Stormwind, you cross the Valley of Heroes. It consists of six statues on the left and right sides: Kurdran facing Danath, then Turalyon facing Alleria, then Khadgar facing Lothar. For aesthetic reasons, there is no statue in the center facing you.

Incidentally, there is no statue near the site of Blackrock Spire.

EDIT: Thrall never met Orgrim Doomhammer, but he has a resoundingly good opinion of the heroic warchief based on the stories told to him by fellow warriors. He strives to lead the Horde in a way that would have made Doomhammer proud. (Indistinguishable from actual lore, for the most part.)

EDIT EDIT: The statue inscriptions are the same, except the first paragraph on Turalyon's is gone. Lothar's inscription was written by King Varian Wrynn.

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SCENARIO: In the height of the First War, after a secret meeting, Durotan and Doomhammer IMMEDIATELY confront Warchief Blackhand about Gul'dan. Blackhand is swayed... the full might of his Horde strikes the warlocks in an attempt to purge them and Gul'dan swiftly.

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SCENARIO: In the height of the First War, after a secret meeting, Durotan and Doomhammer IMMEDIATELY confront Warchief Blackhand about Gul'dan. Blackhand is swayed... the full might of his Horde strikes the warlocks in an attempt to purge them and Gul'dan swiftly.
Blackhand had always suspected eventual treachery from Gul'dan, Durotan and Doomhammers words swayed him that the warlock would lead to the Horde consuming itself

The Shadow Council and Twilights Hammer are shattered, butGuldan and chogall escape to Karazhan, stealing the knowledge of the tomb of Sargeras

Warlocks and necrolytes remain in small numbers, loyal to individual clans, but the magical force of the horde is weakened

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New scenario:
Instead of murdering night elves wantonly, Azshara sets the legion against thr trolls and other societies, stirring many civilizations across the globe
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Old 10-06-2016, 06:27 PM
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They die. Halfway through the purge of Azeroth, a rebellion lead by Furion and Tyrande, along allies from the different dragonflights and other races rises. The events of the WotA play mostly the same but by sparing the elves, the Legion caused a division in the common elven populace which buys the Highborne enough time to summon Sargeras. Sargeras enters Azeroth and succesfully corrupts the Worldsoul, forcefully turning it into his unholy bride. Azshara and the loyal elves join the Legion



However, She does not forget nor forgive Sargeras spurn so she begins hatching a plan to turn Azeroth against him, but first, she must find Elune...

B-Sylvanas succesfully secures Eyir.

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B-Sylvanas succesfully secures Eyir.
With Eyir under her control, Sylvanas begins a war to claim the Halls of Valor from Odyn. Everyone basically realizes that Sylvanas is really a fucking supervillain and she is crushed in the Siege of Undercity by the combined forces of the Alliance and the Horde.

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Varian is killed during the Stonemason riots in Stormwind, leaving Tiffin as Queen.
While heartbroken at the death of her husband, Tiffin is nonetheless able to reconcile the differences with VanCleef and his subordinates. In order to concentrate her efforts on raising young Anduin as best as she can, she names Bolvar Fordragon her regent and leaves much of the day-to-day rulership of Stormwind to him and the Council of Nobles.

When tensions with the Horde begin to flare up, Tiffin lobbies for a peace summit in Stormwind. Unbeknownst to her, the black dragon Onyxia, in disguise as Fordragon's aide-de-camp Katrana Prestor, is able to ensorcell Fordragon with the intent of having him assassinate Warchief Thrall during the summit. Tiffin is notified by Marshall Windsor of Onyxia's ruse, and is able to intervene just in time to prevent Bolvar from fulfilling his mission, breaking the enchantment upon him. Onyxia attempts to finish the task herself, but the combined valor of Thrall and Fordragon drive the Broodmother back and into hiding.

Between the efforts of Jaina Proudmoore in Theramore and Queen Tiffin in the Eastern Kingdoms, the tentative peace between Thrall's Horde and the Grand Alliance continues. However, the peace is threatened when the Night Elves undergo a coup, and Fandral Staghelm takes command of the long-dormant kaldorei war machine to begin a war of retribution against the Horde for the murder of Cenarius.

Meanwhile, the Banshee Queen Sylvanas Windrunner, having crushed the Scourge in Lordaeron with the aid of Prince Kael'thas and his Illidari forces, intends to secure the remaining scions of Arathor before turning her attention to Northrend and her feud with the Lich King. Where once Stormwind fled to Lordaeron for aid, so now do the last nobles of the north come to Stormwind seeking Queen Tiffin's help in defending their homelands.

And all the while, the black dragonflight bides their time, awaiting the critical time to strike and crush the mortal races for their masters, the Old Gods. Onyxia especially relishes the moment when she will extract her vengeance from Tiffin Wrynn's flesh...
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:14 AM
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You didn't leave a new scenario for us, so here's one.

The Stonemason riots in Stormwind escalate to an unexpected level, with rioters overpowering the royal guard and taking control of Stormwind Keep itself. In a rush of fervor, Varian and Tiffin are executed ala Charles I or Louis XVI's family. Young Anduin is initially spared while his fate is debated, but he is then killed in captivity by radicals.
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You didn't leave a new scenario for us, so here's one.

The Stonemason riots in Stormwind escalate to an unexpected level, with rioters overpowering the royal guard and taking control of Stormwind Keep itself. In a rush of fervor, Varian and Tiffin are executed ala Charles I or Louis XVI's family. Young Anduin is initially spared while his fate is debated, but he is then killed in captivity by radicals.
I'd imagine the northern kingdoms would be very unhappy with having an anti-monarchist faction attain any level of power, and the revolutionaries would soon find stormwind besieged by Lordaeron, Kul Tiras and Stromgarde, maybe even Ironforge. After the inevitable conclusion of such a one-sided war (especially since the stonemasons are unlikely to even get popular support), some royal cousin is instated as king, maybe a high-ranking noble if one isn't available. Interesting things could occur if Lady Prestor survived the purge of Stormwind Keep.


Arthas slips on the ice during his ascent of the frozen throne, plummeting downwards just before he could don the mantle of lich king.
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Arthas slips on the ice during his ascent of the frozen throne, plummeting downwards just before he could don the mantle of lich king.
He lands on Illidan, who lets out an audible, "Oof!"
Illidan regains consciousness as Arthas realizes the demon-hunter is alive, and they fight again. Arthas defeats Illidan again and leaves him for dead again.

NEW SCENARIO: After the previous scene occurs, Arthas begins ascending the Frozen Throne again.
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Old 10-11-2016, 10:56 AM
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Too late, Nerzhul energy finishes dissipating leaving the Helm powerless. Civil wars between Arthas and the Scourge lieutenants start shortly afterwards.

Alex gets corrupted instead of Deathwing
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They die. Halfway through the purge of Azeroth, a rebellion lead by Furion and Tyrande, along allies from the different dragonflights and other races rises. The events of the WotA play mostly the same but by sparing the elves, the Legion caused a division in the common elven populace which buys the Highborne enough time to summon Sargeras. Sargeras enters Azeroth and succesfully corrupts the Worldsoul, forcefully turning it into his unholy bride. Azshara and the loyal elves join the Legion



However, She does not forget nor forgive Sargeras spurn so she begins hatching a plan to turn Azeroth against him, but first, she must find Elune...

B-Sylvanas succesfully secures Eyir.
Amani Empire fight against the nightelves improved with fel forces meanwhile Shadow Trolls steal the knowledge to open a portal guided with Velen's vision. Deathwing is corrupted and destroy with the demonsoul all the dragon flights being the the herald of the fel forces. The Troll survivors escape to Draenor where they meet Draenei and the primitive orcs getting a new oportunity to strike against the legion.

New plot: Aliden Perenolde found courage inside and decide stop Orgrim Doomhammer invasion. The new front is Alterac mountains where dragons and griphs riders fight because no troops can walk throught the mountains in secure way. Orgrim decides then take Silverpine road after conquer Stromgarde.
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Alex gets corrupted instead of Deathwing
Arthas recover his will then die under the frozen wind of Northrend. Kill Jaden laughs in Argus and send the remaning Dreadlords in Northrend to crush Ner'zul pieces and use his dust to open a new portal to summon himself in Azeroth.
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