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![]() So we have 3 powerful Light-based characters casting ressurection on Calia. Yet she came back as a modified Forsaken instead of just... getting ressurected the way we would at a Spirit Healer or when our players cast Ressurection.
Now I get that there's a difference between gameplay and story, but if the lore supports the ability to raise a person from death using the light and retaining everything about them, then what exactly makes a Light-based Forsaken? Time of death? Some special cursed arrows that prevent Ressurection? The way that the Naaru used their ressurection? Other than 'the writers just want something different', I can't really wrap my head around how she wasn't just brought back to life normally. |
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![]() It was her own choice, she wanted to be closer to her people; the undead of Lordaeron, to be like them and thought she couldn't do it as a living human.
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![]() The naaru put the idea in her head probably.
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![]() Because you guys needed Lightforged Undead and just didn't know it yet.
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![]() As long as I get to play alabaster human paladins on the Alliance, undead Calia has my stamp of approval.
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![]() Actually, this raises several questions about the Light. One of them... when Arthas raised Sylvanas and others as undead... did he use the Light to create them, or necromancy? Or is Necromancy a perversion of the Light? Was Necromancy not used at all by Arthas?
Think of it. Arthas was a paladin of the Holy Light. The dreadlords taunted human Arthas with comments stating he was chosen in specific. Was it for being young? For being a Prince? Or because of his Holy abilities? Last edited by Medievaldragon; 08-19-2019 at 06:53 PM.. |
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![]() The way I see it, while resurrection is completely restoring a person to life, what is ch is much, much harder in lore, undeath means that there is magic continuously supporting that person's existence. Usually, that's death magic, or void. Here, it's the Light.
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![]() Hmm, I just remembered Krasus created an undead using "life" magic.
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![]() Is that really the canon?
I understand that it was her choice to be closer to the Forsaken, but I ask how that was possible. So she could *choose* how to be ressurected? As in, all mortals have a choice in how they can be ressurected and it's not an involuntary process like... 'choosing' to get lit on fire or 'choosing' to go deaf from a loud noise. I don't fully understand how it was even able to happen. |
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![]() Because healing spells in the game are more like resuscitating someone than it is actually resurrecting them.
I don't think actual resurrection is possible in the world of WarCraft.
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![]() In Borean Tundra, there is a quest where you find a guy who got EATEN. To the bones. And then you resurrect him, properly. Then, in Icecrown, a gnome death knight has you collect the pieces of a guy who got SEWN INTO ABOMINATIONS. And he returns alive. Raised by the death knight. IIRC, in Dragonblight, you also witness a taunka chieftain rezz his entire village.
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![]() Isn't Wrath also the one where you pointedly CAN'T rez Bridenbrand or whatever?
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![]() That wasn't the issue. He was getting plagued, and was dying. We went around looking for ways to cure the plague, to stop him from coming back as Scourge and thus being damned. Neither Emerald Dream nor Alexstrasza could save him, so the naaru just took his spirit from his body before it turned and took him to "paradise".
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![]() Resurrection in lore is incredibly difficult. It's possible, but very hard and rare. Undeath is easier though.
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The fact that it worked on Dazar as well suggests that the process also wasn't just a fancier form of the way the mogu regularly imbue stone statues with captured souls. Last edited by ARM3481; 09-29-2019 at 01:01 PM.. |
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![]() Not really a skeleton. More like a semi desiccated-looking Zandalari troll, with surprising muscle tone for a mummy that was interred for tens of thousands of years. Almost like he's still in the process of fully regaining his flesh, and given a bit more time he might even be fully restored, or might have if the players hadn't interrupted that process.
Which would make sense; Zul was trying to revive a legendary king that his people would be willing to follow (albeit with him being the one truly in controll), not to plop an obvious walking, talking corpse on the throne that everyone would immediately think isn't really Dazar restored to life. It brings to mind conceptually, though obviously not literally, Mannoroth's revival in Hellfire Citadel. Where rather than really being undead, what players encounter comes across more like we're seeing a step-by-step process of Gul'dan relocating and fast-tracking the demon's nether-regeneration, starting with the bones coming back to life and ending with a fully fleshed and rejuvenated Destructor by the last phase of the fight. Like rather than the sort of pseudo half-alive nature of being made undead, we're literally witnessing the process of his physical death in reverse, concluding with him being fully alive again. Last edited by ARM3481; 10-03-2019 at 12:56 AM.. |
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