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Old 09-16-2013, 06:47 PM
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Only way I would support Halls reopening is if it was a private forum that only the people banished there could post in. Otherwise it serves no useful purpose.
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:54 PM
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The problem with that idea is this: whatever it may have been originally planned for, in the end Lordaeron Prison was used to give banned individuals a way to stay on the site while still punishing them and sparing the rest of us their bullshit. It ALSO gave those who, for some reason, liked the banned ones, a convenient way to stay in touch with them.
Doesn't make much sense to make it cut off to the imprisoned ones; they'd just tear each other's flesh off, they can do that somewhere else if they want to.
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:56 PM
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The problem with that idea is this: whatever it may have been originally planned for, in the end Lordaeron Prison was used to give banned individuals a way to stay on the site while still punishing them and sparing the rest of us their bullshit. It ALSO gave those who, for some reason, liked the banned ones, a convenient way to stay in touch with them.
Doesn't make much sense to make it cut off to the imprisoned ones; they'd just tear each other's flesh off, they can do that somewhere else if they want to.
Then it serves no purpose since all it becomes is another place to chat, not a punishment at all.

Sorry, but it didn't serve a useful purpose that wasn't already covered before it and still isn't covered in some way already in the forums. People just need to get over the fact that people actually get punished now.

Or to put it another way, we can either keep doing what we do now (as it goes through various growing pains) or we can go back to almost no moderation at all.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:02 PM
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People just need to get over the fact that people actually get punished now.
Of course they do, but they won't.

The comon posters pray for new Lore, short expansion gaps and equal treatment of Factions. They do not care about the high mods playing their game of bans as long as they're left in peace.

They never are.

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Old 09-16-2013, 07:11 PM
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The prison actually was a punishement since the posters there couldn't go elsewhere and participate in everyone discussion. And I tought the point of bans was to stop the thread derailements, wich the prison would do, it seems. Wasn't there at that time, but it looked like a good idea, from what ive seen.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:18 PM
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The prison actually was a punishement since the posters there couldn't go elsewhere and participate in everyone discussion. And I tought the point of bans was to stop the thread derailements, wich the prison would do, it seems. Wasn't there at that time, but it looked like a good idea, from what ive seen.
We have a thread that serves the purpose you describe perfectly well when people actually use it.

Not being able to participate in the discussion doesn't mean much when you can either continue them there since the people you were talking with can just go there to continue it. Or people just post discussions there instead of where they should be.

Again, sounds like a good idea, in practice all it encouraged was people being idiots.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:20 PM
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If people want to talk to the convicted felons of SoL, it's their problem.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:22 PM
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If people want to talk to the convicted felons of SoL, it's their problem.
Then it's not really a punishment.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:25 PM
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If people want to talk to the convicted felons of SoL, it's their problem.
Let me put it this way. The forums were actually worse when it was around than now and before it was introduced. It didn't stop people from being idiots like suspending them does, nor does it remove poor behavior since people were not actually being punished. It encouraged poor behavior because people felt they could do anything there, and if we're going to actually punish people for posting there then it serves 0 purpose whatsoever.

The only way it's an actual punishment is if the person can't interact with everyone else, hense either the suspension or you only get to interact with other people banished there.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:26 PM
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Then it's not really a punishment.
Then we need to go to the roots of the problem. Before the crimes and the punishement, there is who we are. Who are we? Why are we here and what drives us in life? Here, take theses herbs, it will make this thinking much easier.

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Let me put it this way. The forums were actually worse when it was around than now and before it was introduced. It didn't stop people from being idiots like suspending them does, nor does it remove poor behavior since people were not actually being punished. It encouraged poor behavior because people felt they could do anything there, and if we're going to actually punish people for posting there then it serves 0 purpose whatsoever.

The only way it's an actual punishment is if the person can't interact with everyone else, hense either the suspension or you only get to interact with other people banished there.
Im fine with suspensions, im not fine with perma-bans (Except for major problems like real life threats or stuff like that). I saw the Halls as an alternative to the later.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:32 PM
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Honestly, it felt more like an extension of the no-moderating-policy than punishment. I remember the rest of the board being quite peaceful while it was around; can't say much for the Prison itself as i only went there when a thread from General Discussion was moved there. That's the beauty of it, in my opinion - problematic people can still be around, but if i didn't want to go there i didn't have to, and practically never did.

I prefer and support actual modding, but i DO like the idea of the Lordaeron Prison.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:57 PM
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I felt like the Halls didn't actually end up being a punishment.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:59 PM
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Let's have it be a reward then! You get to be allowed to post in there and have good lore discussions if you have a good attitude.

Of course, im immune to banishement of it since im the one who had the idea.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:13 PM
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Perhaps a SoL wide poll is needed, like when Slow's return was decided.

That way nobody can be cross with the administration.
Or maybe people can accept this isn't a Democracy.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:14 PM
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Or maybe people can accept this isn't a Democracy.
We should unionize and hijack Warlock's website!
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:16 PM
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Or maybe people can accept this isn't a Democracy.
Where are Anansi and his revolution? Let's have patch 5.5: The Siege of SoL.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:23 PM
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10.b. The R&R thread should not be used to excessively spam pictures, gifs or embedded youtube videos. Posting of these in this thread will now carry a one-day temporary ban as punishment.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:28 PM
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When was the last time you as an American decided anything of note? You live in a "democracy" where your leader can win without the majority of voters voting for him - i think you can take a bit of police work. Would you WANT America without police?
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:30 PM
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Where one champion of the people falls another rises!

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Old 09-16-2013, 09:26 PM
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America ends at the part where the internet begins.

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Old 09-16-2013, 10:36 PM
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:33 AM
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Im fine with suspensions, im not fine with perma-bans (Except for major problems like real life threats or stuff like that). I saw the Halls as an alternative to the later.
Yeah....it's not.
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:48 AM
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10.b. The R&R thread should not be used to excessively spam pictures, gifs or embedded youtube videos. Posting of these in this thread will now carry a one-day temporary ban as punishment.

Hey lookie there!

Also gonna make a tiny little amendment for future issues too! Since I know someone's gonna wanna smartass something here.

10.b. The R&R thread should not be used to excessively spam pictures, gifs or embedded youtube videos. Posting or quoting of these in this thread will now carry a one-day temporary ban as punishment. Posting of the above will be allowed in the R&R Thread when used as evidence of rule breaking.
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:38 AM
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10.b. The R&R thread should not be used to excessively spam pictures, gifs or embedded youtube videos. Posting of these in this thread will now carry a one-day temporary ban as punishment.
So how many pictures, gifs, and embedded youtube videos were in that post before you edited it?
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:40 AM
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