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Old 09-03-2013, 09:30 AM
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We're quick to dismiss characters as whiny, stupid, etc. We don't always agree with their decisions. Normally we blame Blizzard for writing poorly, but maybe there's more to them than we thought.

Example, we dismiss Arthas as whiny, but this man has been trying to prevent a zombie apocalypse. To chase a demon down and feel forced to pick up a cursed blade to save his people.

So what characters do you think we can rationalize without blaming Blizzard?
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:31 AM
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TFT Kael'thas.
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:38 AM
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Well, the first question is of course who exactly needs to be rationalized. The amount of characters that get a degree of hate from the community is enormous. There is even some idiot who hates overlord runthak, of all people.
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:39 AM
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Actually Garrosh.
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:41 AM
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Can you go into detail? Like losing his kingdom and people, forcing him to join the Alliance under a man who distrusted him? Feeling pressured to work with mysterious and dark creatures to survive and maintain his addiction? Ultimately succumbing to it to where the only way to be rid of it was to join the legion?
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:51 AM
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We can rationalize the behavior of all the characters. It just takes more effort in some cases.

Kael, for example. He allied with the demons of the Legon to gather mana, once he saw that Illidan was no longer useful. Now, let's say he was still looking out for his people and trying to do what was best for them at this point and that he planed to betray the Legion as soon as he got what he needed. How do we get the mad Kael we witnesses in the Magister's Terrace? Well, an arcane crystal was stuck in his chest to revive him, and we all know what happens when a blood elf takes in more arcane energy than he should. Him becoming insane, after his first "death" is quite believable.
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:08 AM
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And now my personal head fanon is that Kael is an alternate universe-version of the Bayformers' Megatron.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:55 AM
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We can rationalize the behavior of all the characters. It just takes more effort in some cases.

Kael, for example. He allied with the demons of the Legon to gather mana, once he saw that Illidan was no longer useful. Now, let's say he was still looking out for his people and trying to do what was best for them at this point and that he planed to betray the Legion as soon as he got what he needed. How do we get the mad Kael we witnesses in the Magister's Terrace? Well, an arcane crystal was stuck in his chest to revive him, and we all know what happens when a blood elf takes in more arcane energy than he should. Him becoming insane, after his first "death" is quite believable.
Illidan gave him what could save his people's addiction problem once and for all, so NO, it didn't make sense.
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:04 PM
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Illidan gave him what could save his people's addiction problem once and for all, so NO, it didn't make sense.
Illidan still having those vials despite his imprisonment never made sense, so Blizzard only needs to get rid of two nonsensical quests and everything is right.
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:05 PM
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Illidan still having those vials despite his imprisonment never made sense, so Blizzard only needs to get rid of two nonsensical quests and everything is right.
He could have hide it somewhere before they tried to take away his stuff.

Not to say now we know Silvermoon was keep communication with him, which means he should have known the remaining energy of the Sunwell long ago.
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Old 09-03-2013, 01:12 PM
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Illidan still having those vials despite his imprisonment never made sense, so Blizzard only needs to get rid of two nonsensical quests and everything is right.
Two theories.

A) As they already had the guarding infrastructure in place, the watchers were given custody of the vials. After Illidan's release, the Barrow Prison was too short on guards, and so they were brought along with the rest of the watchers, in part to defend them, but also as a potential bargaining tool (The moment Illidan managed to get the Eye of Sargeras, the idea of potentially letting him supercharge it with the vials went out the window). Illidan captures Maiev, takes vials, boom.

B) However they were stored, Tyrande was able to claim ownership of the waters. When freeing Illidan, she felt that as he was likely to require a high level of magical power, that giving him the waters would help him fight off the legion. Further, as Tyrande knew that one of Illidan's key vices was power, by giving Illidan the vials, she hoped that it would help prevent him from taking alternative sources- fel. Why was he left with the vials? Because it was assumed that, as Illidan would try to stay good, that he'd have used them first. That, or Malfurion banished Illidan before Tyrande could really state that Illidan may have had the vials. Or something.

This isn't that easy, thinking on it.
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Old 09-03-2013, 01:14 PM
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Illidan stuck the vials in his eye sockets. They were never checked because seriously, who wants to see that?
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Old 09-07-2013, 04:57 PM
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Anyone remember the teaser to Wrath of the Lich King?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you a leader who began with good intentions of leading his people and saving them from the threats that beset and ended up consumed by his own anger and hate as it drove him to madness.

This hero fought against the Scourge after they attacked his homeland, venturing to Northrend to claim victory against the undead.

This person is the son of a character considered to be a hero to his people, remembered even to this day for his untimely death. A person whose legacy has been trampled on by the atrocities his son has committed.

A man who has left entire nations destroyed in his wake and befouled a sacred elven forest to further his goals.

A person who refused to listen to the advice of anyone else on his path, even trying to cut down or shed those allies who stood in his way in pursuit of vengeance against his hated enemy. He sought a weapon of great, dark power to satisfy his lust for blood.

Upon finding an unfathomable evil power and binding himself to it, he dominated the evil entity within so that its powers serve his will and his will alone.

He hates the Forsaken. He hates the Burning Legion.

Should this man succeed in his goals, the whole of Azeroth will perish and, with his mindless servants, he shall reign supreme... until the Legion returns.

Now he will be made to answer for all the lives he has taken, the unspeakable horrors he has unleashed, and the dark, ancient powers he has enslaved.

And yet, as the champions of justice stand at his gate, his arrogance still blinds him to his coming downfall. He actually wants them to come, expecting them to reach him only to smite their ruin upon the spires of his mighty fortress and slay the greatest heroes Azeroth has to offer.

He answers to no one and all shall burn in the fires of his hatred. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Garrosh Hellscream.

"Only then will you understand... you've been following in my footsteps all along."

Edit: Garrosh's mental health was basically messed up to a greater degree than it was when we meet him in Nagrand due to Northrend, that is the point of the post.

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Old 09-07-2013, 08:19 PM
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Anyone remember the teaser to Wrath of the Lich King?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you a leader who began with good intentions of leading his people and saving them from the threats that beset and ended up consumed by his own anger and hate as it drove him to madness.

This hero fought against the Scourge after they attacked his homeland, venturing to Northrend to claim victory against the undead.

This person is the son of a character considered to be a hero to his people, remembered even to this day for his untimely death. A person whose legacy has been trampled on by the atrocities his son has committed.

A man who has left entire nations destroyed in his wake and befouled a sacred elven forest to further his goals.

A person who refused to listen to the advice of anyone else on his path, even trying to cut down or shed those allies who stood in his way in pursuit of vengeance against his hated enemy. He sought a weapon of great, dark power to satisfy his lust for blood.

Upon finding an unfathomable evil power and binding himself to it, he dominated the evil entity within so that its powers serve his will and his will alone.

He hates the Forsaken. He hates the Burning Legion.

Should this man succeed in his goals, the whole of Azeroth will perish and, with his mindless servants, he shall reign supreme... until the Legion returns.

Now he will be made to answer for all the lives he has taken, the unspeakable horrors he has unleashed, and the dark, ancient powers he has enslaved.

And yet, as the champions of justice stand at his gate, his arrogance still blinds him to his coming downfall. He actually wants them to come, expecting them to reach him only to smite their ruin upon the spires of his mighty fortress and slay the greatest heroes Azeroth has to offer.

He answers to no one and all shall burn in the fires of his hatred. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Garrosh Hellscream.

"Only then will you understand... you've been following in my footsteps all along."

Edit: Garrosh's mental health was basically messed up to a greater degree than it was when we meet him in Nagrand due to Northrend, that is the point of the post.
This was extremely well done. Didn't catch on until the end.
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:46 PM
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This was extremely well done. Didn't catch on until the end.
Thank you. ^_^

It's adds a lot of irony to his dialogue with Sylvanas in Silverpine. Garrosh even has the same worldview as Arthas. As Arthas wished for an Azeroth ruled by his mindless undead army, Garrosh wishes for a world ruled by his mindless orc army.

Both practiced Social Darwinism to weed out "weak" members of their forces. Arthas' kill-or-be-killed methods can be seen in Acherus; Garrosh forces his pandaren recruits to fight monsters to the death and claims that "only the strongest may dwell in Orgrimmar".

If you want to get deeper into it, both also had extremely warped senses of "honour", Arthas' can be seen when he "rescues" the Scourge undead during the Forsaken's rebellion and in his parting words to Kel'Thuzad in TFT. Garrosh's most famous ones are Stonetalon and his attitude after Cairne's death.

The list goes on, and there are a lot more direct parallels between Garrosh and Arthas than even Sylvanas and Arthas, whose similarities are superficial at best.
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Old 09-07-2013, 11:26 PM
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Don't know why this thread is called 'Character Health'.

Besides I never saw Arthas as whiney. He's xenophobic which isn't implausible considering how much pride he has for his people.
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Old 09-07-2013, 11:49 PM
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Yeah I thought it was gonna be: "Do characters really have red bars floating over their heads in canon?"
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Old 09-08-2013, 08:42 AM
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I'd also like to point out the much maligned Taran Zhu, but I've already snarked on that in another thread.

Suffice it to say that, even if you find him annoying, he's on Pandaria's side and willing to work with you despite his personal flaws (the biggest being hatred) and his opinions about your faction.

So swallow your damned pride, stop asking for him to kiss your ass, and be grateful that he's shown so much patience to both your factions and is convinced that, save for Garrosh and his supporters, you all want to do good.
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