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Old 08-31-2010, 06:46 AM
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Could it not just be a reused model? And as for the Goldrinn thing, I thought the orcs would have learned his legend off the tauren/trolls.
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Old 08-31-2010, 07:10 AM
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well they are called flayers aswell

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Old 08-31-2010, 07:27 AM
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Why aren't the Draenei against arcane magic, like the Night Elves are? Wouldn't their use of it make them easier for the Burning Legion to track?
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Old 08-31-2010, 07:45 AM
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Draenei have known arcane magic from their roots as Eredar, and have maintained it as an iconic cultural element alongside their worship of the Light.

Using arcane doesn't necessarily draw the attention of the legion, but reckless or corrupt use of it does. That was why the Legion wasn't drawn back to Azeroth until after the High Elves taught Humans magic.

Night Elves are (or at least used to be) very dogmatic and rigid. That and the fact that the use of magic had more catastrophic results for them made them ban it completely.
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Old 08-31-2010, 07:49 AM
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Wouldn't their use of it make them easier for the Burning Legion to track?
Hasn't that ship sailed already as far as Azeroth is concerned?
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Old 08-31-2010, 07:59 AM
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Hasn't that ship sailed already as far as Azeroth is concerned?
I think he was referring to the many years the Draenei spent hiding from the legion, hopping from world to world.
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Old 08-31-2010, 06:40 PM
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Simple question with an 'apparent' simple answer...

Whats the difference between Blood Elves and High Elves?
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Old 08-31-2010, 06:50 PM
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Simple question with an 'apparent' simple answer...

Whats the difference between Blood Elves and High Elves?
Mostly cultural. Actually physical/genetic differences are debated. I'm of the opinion that blood elves are the green orcs to the high elves' maghar, but like I said, its debated.
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Old 08-31-2010, 07:11 PM
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I'm of the opinion that blood elves are the green orcs to the high elves' maghar, but like I said, its debated.
I haven't heard the analogy before, but that's not inaccurate.

High Elves, in some unexplained manner, escaped the backlash of magical starvation that the Blood Elves suffered after the destruction of the Sunwell. That's what distinguishes them at the basic level.
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Old 08-31-2010, 07:44 PM
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I haven't heard the analogy before, but that's not inaccurate.

High Elves, in some unexplained manner, escaped the backlash of magical starvation that the Blood Elves suffered after the destruction of the Sunwell. That's what distinguishes them at the basic level.
It is explained. The blood elves were gathered mainly from the survivors on the attack on Silvermoon and thus faced a much more dire situation, leaving them more open to Illidan's suggestion of consuming demonic magic. The remaining high elves were away at the time and had no Kael to lead them to Outland and no Illidan to give them demons to suck on, so they were forced to deal with their addiction through endurance and meditation.
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Old 08-31-2010, 07:45 PM
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High Elves, in some unexplained manner, escaped the backlash of magical starvation that the Blood Elves suffered after the destruction of the Sunwell. That's what distinguishes them at the basic level.
High Elves didn't escape the backlash, they just found other ways of dealing with it like meditation and using Moonwells and Sunwell Rings (akin to Nicontine Patches).
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Old 08-31-2010, 08:07 PM
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Why aren't the Draenei against arcane magic, like the Night Elves are? Wouldn't their use of it make them easier for the Burning Legion to track?
The draenei have been using arcane magic since long before the Legion existed. They are masters of it. They've harnessed arcane magic in ways no other society could hope to. They've transcended the four laws of arcane magic, because it bathed them so as a race for so long.

As far as the Legion being able to track them, this is discussed in "Rise of the Horde" when the narrator mentions that Kil'jaeden's spies would detect traces of the dreanei's magic, but when the full might of the legion arrived on the planet, they would be gone. The naaru have ways of either masking the draenei's presence (the ata'mal crystals) or tipping them off to the impending attack (Velen's prophetic visions).

The reason the draenei have been able to use magic and remain free of corruption is because of the mastery they've developed since they were eredar (pre-Legion) and because of the gifts that the naaru have bestowed upon them as a people.
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Old 09-01-2010, 02:16 PM
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The draenei have been using arcane magic since long before the Legion existed. They are masters of it. They've harnessed arcane magic in ways no other society could hope to. They've transcended the four laws of arcane magic, because it bathed them so as a race for so long.

As far as the Legion being able to track them, this is discussed in "Rise of the Horde" when the narrator mentions that Kil'jaeden's spies would detect traces of the dreanei's magic, but when the full might of the legion arrived on the planet, they would be gone. The naaru have ways of either masking the draenei's presence (the ata'mal crystals) or tipping them off to the impending attack (Velen's prophetic visions).

The reason the draenei have been able to use magic and remain free of corruption is because of the mastery they've developed since they were eredar (pre-Legion) and because of the gifts that the naaru have bestowed upon them as a people.
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Old 09-01-2010, 09:37 PM
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I still want to know how Kil'jaeden's spies and the Legion followed the draenei. We know the draenei had naaru ships but what did the demons use to travel? Every planet the draenei went to had a Higborne-type people on it who clumsily opened portals for Sargeras?
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:07 PM
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I still want to know how Kil'jaeden's spies and the Legion followed the draenei. We know the draenei had naaru ships but what did the demons use to travel? Every planet the draenei went to had a Higborne-type people on it who clumsily opened portals for Sargeras?
Well, it's always possible the draenei themselves by using magic sent just enough arcane emanations across the Twisting Nether to eventually draw Talgath's attention, at which point the Legion could start corrupting native races on those worlds and getting them to grant its armies access.

Plus, the Naaru vessels - being dimensional ships - cross the Twisting Nether when they travel from place to place, and therefore could have also left behind detectable traces of arcane energies that might have led Talgath to each world, as the Legion's forces seem to inhabit or at least regularly traverse the Nether when they're not actually invading specific worlds.
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Old 09-01-2010, 11:16 PM
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Well, it's always possible the draenei themselves by using magic sent just enough arcane emanations across the Twisting Nether to eventually draw Talgath's attention, at which point the Legion could start corrupting native races on those worlds and getting them to grant its armies access.

Plus, the Naaru vessels - being dimensional ships - cross the Twisting Nether when they travel from place to place, and therefore could have also left behind detectable traces of arcane energies that might have led Talgath to each world, as the Legion's forces seem to inhabit or at least regularly traverse the Nether when they're not actually invading specific worlds.
Wouldn't the draenei know that they are just helping the eredar chase them by using arcane magic though? That is the thing. Every planet has a native race that is corruptible?

How did the naaru think they could escape the Burning Legion if the Burning Legion could just follow their trail? Was it going to be a life of just running for the draenei or what? Did the naaru not know these things?
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:07 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else get a little disheartened by things at Blizzcon and other places where the Horde would always get a bigger applause from the audience, or hearing a lot of the big people at Blizzard shouting things like "For the Horde!". I'm not talking about anything in the game, I mean outside of it. Like it's nearly every week a CM or someone takes a shot at Gnomes. And things like people essentially being told to wait for a supposed Legion expansion before hearing from the Draenei again.

I'm not saying that there's some secret conspiracy or anything to trash the Alliance, it just doesn't seem as "loved" ... if that makes sense.
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:17 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else get a little disheartened by things at Blizzcon and other places where the Horde would always get a bigger applause from the audience, or hearing a lot of the big people at Blizzard shouting things like "For the Horde!". I'm not talking about anything in the game, I mean outside of it. Like it's nearly every week a CM or someone takes a shot at Gnomes. And things like people essentially being told to wait for a supposed Legion expansion before hearing from the Draenei again.

I'm not saying that there's some secret conspiracy or anything to trash the Alliance, it just doesn't seem as "loved" ... if that makes sense.
It's really no secret that the Horde is Blizzard's pet faction with Metzen and Samwise stating their love for the Horde over and over. You even get Samwise egging people on in Blizzcon to shout "For the Horde" and make fun of Gnomes.

It's also no secret that Horde are the more favored faction in the fanbase.
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It's really no secret that the Horde is Blizzard's pet faction with Metzen and Samwise stating their love for the Horde over and over. You even get Samwise egging people on in Blizzcon to shout "For the Horde" and make fun of Gnomes.

It's also no secret that Horde are the more favored faction in the fanbase.
God forbid the developers not keep their personal preferences top secret.

I honestly doubt they have any control over how many people from which faction go to Blizzcon though.
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God forbid the developers not keep their personal preferences top secret.

I honestly doubt they have any control over how many people from which faction go to Blizzcon though.
It's just a little saddening when a lot of their personal preferences is of the same faction.
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Old 09-02-2010, 11:01 AM
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The horde is made up of mostly loud, brutish cultures. Shouting "for the horde" is encouraged in-game, and I think that spills over into real life. By contrast, the Alliance is more about being... somewhat, I don't know, reserved. Players who prefer the alliance (like me) are, I believe, less inclined towards boasting or other boorish displays of allegiance. We don't need to yell "GLORY TO THE ALLIANCE" at the top of our lungs, we just give eachother a nod and a handshake like respectable individuals.
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I honestly doubt they have any control over how many people from which faction go to Blizzcon though.
They can influence which faction becomes more popular by showing preferential treatment to said faction and mock the other.
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Old 09-02-2010, 11:23 AM
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The horde is made up of mostly loud, brutish cultures. Shouting "for the horde" is encouraged in-game, and I think that spills over into real life. By contrast, the Alliance is more about being... somewhat, I don't know, reserved. Players who prefer the alliance (like me) are, I believe, less inclined towards boasting or other boorish displays of allegiance. We don't need to yell "GLORY TO THE ALLIANCE" at the top of our lungs, we just give eachother a nod and a handshake like respectable individuals.
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Although the reason for Sargeras going crazy isn't known, why haven't others gone crazy battling demons who just return from death and undead who can just be resurrected. You would think that non-undead, non-demon forces would be losing any wars at least by attrition even if they are great at strategy or have a larger number of troops.
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Although the reason for Sargeras going crazy isn't known, why haven't others gone crazy battling demons who just return from death and undead who can just be resurrected. You would think that non-undead, non-demon forces would be losing any wars at least by attrition even if they are great at strategy or have a larger number of troops.
Because most beings that battle demons either, A, aren't immortal or B, do other things like have entire societies while also fighting the demons. Sargeras' job was basically demon fighting 24/7 for all eternity with occasional breaks to fight old gods.
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