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Old 09-03-2010, 06:23 AM
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They can influence which faction becomes more popular by showing preferential treatment to said faction and mock the other.
mocking gnomes is not the same as mocking the Alliance.


And it's not bloody preferential treatment, you got a comic, you'll be getting a movie, half the dang novels are from Alliance PoV about Alliance characters and lore.

Maybe if the Alliance complained less about the Horde and asked for some junk of their own on the official forums we wouln't have this problem.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:19 PM
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Because of course all Alliance players on Scrolls of lore never spend all their time whining about the other faction....oh wait
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:23 PM
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What is it with faction fanboyism around here? Both sides are filled with self-righteous fucknuts and both sides get their due in good time, get over it and move on.
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Old 09-03-2010, 05:39 PM
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My heart belongs to the Horde, but my playtime is spent on the Alliance because I love the draenei. I am a fucked up individual.
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:29 PM
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Because most beings that battle demons either, A, aren't immortal or B, do other things like have entire societies while also fighting the demons. Sargeras' job was basically demon fighting 24/7 for all eternity with occasional breaks to fight old gods.
That explains the going crazy part. What about the winning part? Eventually wouldn't an undead or demon army overcome a regular race army? Putting it in simple terms what if we have 10 people versus 10 demons. Even if they "kill" all the demons, those 10 demons will just come back the 10 people are most likely now only 9. You keep going like that until finally there are 10 demons and 0 people. With the undead it is worse because any person killed could be raised into undeath to add unto the undead army. Even some demons could try the tactic of taking over a body now and then.
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:38 PM
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Sargeras built demon prisons, remember.

Also, if you kill a demon in the actual Twisting Nether, it is permanently destroyed.

And someone need to be resurrecting the undead. Go for him.
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:47 PM
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Sargeras built demon prisons, remember.

Also, if you kill a demon in the actual Twisting Nether, it is permanently destroyed.

And someone need to be resurrecting the undead. Go for him.
I am talking about normal races though.

Fighting on a regular planet.

You could do that unless someone just resurrects the resurrecter who just died.
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I am talking about normal races though.

Fighting on a regular planet.
You can permanently extirpate them all by killing them all, and then killing the planetary natives that summon them.
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Old 09-04-2010, 03:14 AM
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I think the Old Gods had nothing to do with Sargeras corruption.

Demons corrupt what they have around with demonic fel energies. If you fight them for thousands of years, you end tainted by those energies.

That's what probably happened with Sargeras. Nothing to with Nathrezim, Eredar or any specific race, he just got corrupted by all the exposition to the demons he was fighting.
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Old 09-04-2010, 06:33 AM
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I am talking about normal races though.

Fighting on a regular planet.

You could do that unless someone just resurrects the resurrecter who just died.
How has Azeroth defeated the Scourge? By destroying the army, forcing those with the power to animate the corpses to withdraw or they destroy them as well, and then burn the bodies. You can't just continually animate the dead - it takes too much time and power to do it to such a large number of individuals all the time.

You kill both at the same time. Or destroy the body.

Also, wasn't a big part of Sargeras' downfall due to his inability to comprehend evil? Humans can, so they may be less effected by it most of the time. Besides, some mortals have gone insane from it - Arthas, the Scarlet Crusade and other.
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Old 09-04-2010, 05:44 PM
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I think the Old Gods had nothing to do with Sargeras corruption.

Demons corrupt what they have around with demonic fel energies. If you fight them for thousands of years, you end tainted by those energies.

That's what probably happened with Sargeras. Nothing to with Nathrezim, Eredar or any specific race, he just got corrupted by all the exposition to the demons he was fighting.
I'm reminded of Frederick Nietzsche. Sargeras apparently stared into the Abyss and it stared back.
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Old 09-04-2010, 05:51 PM
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Like I've said before, I like to think of Sargeras as being like a godlike postal worker. He had an extremely stressful job that literally never ended, and eventually he became, shall we say, "disgruntled". If any of you watched Seinfeld and saw the episode where Newman explained why postal workers go nuts, you'll be able to bring to mind a better explenation than the one I just used. Simply replace every time he says "mail" with "demons".
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Old 09-05-2010, 12:49 PM
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he discovered the futility of it all, if the damn universe is so intent on spawning demonic legions all the time maybe its the way it was supposed to be, and the titanic ordering is interfering with the natural way of the universe.
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:04 PM
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But Sargeras put them in prison. If he fought them and won, but then kept having to fight them again that is one thing. Yet he won, and later went solo and crazy.
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:33 PM
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It is not just about him"winning." The fact that such evil could exist made him question his and the rest of the titans' position in the universe.
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:38 PM
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It is not just about him"winning." The fact that such evil could exist made him question his and the rest of the titans' position in the universe.
Wouldn't their whole society by now have gone crazy though? He couldn't have been the only titan to fight evil in their whole race's existence.
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Old 09-07-2010, 05:54 AM
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What we don't know about the Titans could fill a few Terabytes.

Sent out to destroy chaos, Sargeras is said to have gone crazy upon contact with an "evil race". I find it more likely he saw obsolescence in his success, rather than futility in his endeavor. And rather than fight toward his own deletion, he decided to create his own set of Anti-Titans out of transmogrified mortal races as retaliation against the Titans' whitewashing of the universe.

Of course my view's a lot more nuanced and gray than what Blizzard probably wants for its deities.

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Wouldn't their whole society by now have gone crazy though? He couldn't have been the only titan to fight evil in their whole race's existence.
He was the only Titan whose station was defined by destruction. Other Titans fought, but they had other hobbies and roles. Sargeras had nothing besides his crusade, and he realized his own emptiness.

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mocking gnomes is not the same as mocking the Alliance.
He totally mocks the rest of the Alliance too.

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And it's not bloody preferential treatment, you got a comic, you'll be getting a movie, half the dang novels are from Alliance PoV about Alliance characters and lore.
That's Blizzard's marketing, we're talking about the CORE people responsible for WarCraft like Metzen and Samwise.

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Maybe if the Alliance complained less about the Horde and asked for some junk of their own on the official forums we wouln't have this problem.
And Horde never complain about Alliance? The only difference here is when Horde complains they get something, Alliance don't. Alliance still have one less race/class combination in Cataclysm and we've been asking them to fix that since Cataclysm was announced.
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Alliance still have one less race/class combination in Cataclysm and we've been asking them to fix that since Cataclysm was announced.
You don't think Draenei Rogues or Warlocks are card up their sleeves? They surprised everyone with Dwarf and Troll Warlocks after they announced NO MORE NEW COMBOS. Evidence suggests that Draenei and Blood Elf zones are getting minimal attention and are likely to be barely touched in Cataclysm, despite glaring chronology issues. If there's another combination, it'll be a Draenei one. I don't doubt the 41st Alliance combination is just sitting in a to-do box somewhere.

As for why Blood elf Warriors aren't a pain in the ass, I'm sure the Warrior trainers and quests were made way back in BC and they just turned them on for Cataclysm. Speaking of which, has anyone in Beta MADE a Belf Warrior yet?
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Old 09-07-2010, 07:16 AM
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You don't think Draenei Rogues or Warlocks are card up their sleeves?
Night Elf paladins imo
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You don't think Draenei Rogues or Warlocks are card up their sleeves? They surprised everyone with Dwarf and Troll Warlocks after they announced NO MORE NEW COMBOS. Evidence suggests that Draenei and Blood Elf zones are getting minimal attention and are likely to be barely touched in Cataclysm, despite glaring chronology issues. If there's another combination, it'll be a Draenei one. I don't doubt the 41st Alliance combination is just sitting in a to-do box somewhere.
Gnomes should be the ones to have a new class. They're the only race that has 6 classes, the rest have at 7, 8, or 9.
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Old 09-07-2010, 07:18 AM
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Gnomes should be the ones to have a new class. They're the only race that has 6 classes, the rest have at 7, 8, or 9.
Gnomes should be stripped of their existance and replaced by a better race.
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Gnomes should be stripped of their existance and replaced by a better race.
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Old 09-07-2010, 07:37 AM
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Uh no. Just because it's a Horde meme to make fun of Gnomes doesn't mean many other people don't like 'em.
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Old 09-07-2010, 07:52 AM
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He totally mocks the rest of the Alliance too.

That's Blizzard's marketing, we're talking about the CORE people responsible for WarCraft like Metzen and Samwise.

And Horde never complain about Alliance? The only difference here is when Horde complains they get something, Alliance don't. Alliance still have one less race/class combination in Cataclysm and we've been asking them to fix that since Cataclysm was announced.
1. Source

2. I'm not following, because they market the alliance but personally like the Horde they favor the Horde?

3. Fine me a complaint, find me where we get it.
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