Before Cataclysm, Thrall, as a leader and ruler, was being constantly vocal about being honorable and achieving peace between the factions, while ignoring the fact that his men and Varian's men were killing each other without a break.

Let's not forget he also ignored the fact that Sylvanas had a *dreadlord* within her ranks (and also donning a position of leadership within her faction), not to mention her acts throughout Hillsbrad.

That makes him either blind or lazy.

Doesn't that make you think of our real world politicians, who are not only demagogues (tell what the people want to hear) but also negligent (ignore the very problems they're supposed to address, according to their ideals)?

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It's less that Thrall is neglient and more bad writing combined with bad planning on the part of the developers.

This, they made Thrall retarded, because working on an elaborate plot with moral conflicts is "too hard for MMOs".

WoW's Horde is a clusterfuck and a spit on the face to the events of Warcraft III.

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Though I'm pretty sure that throughout Warcraft's long and successful history, every new game has spit on the events of the game before it.

Possibly including major expansions within WoW itself.

People still want Thrall back?

Just subsume the Horde into the Alliance already.

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Kill of Proto-Anduin/Jaina and I'll accept that.

There was a clear distinction between Horde and Alliance even when Thrall was in charge. You don't need pointless war or one side to be evil for faction distinction.

And Thrall is one character the writers would be too scared to turn evil or kill off. The Horde would be using his plot armor to escape the villain bat. Vol'jin's problem is that he wasn't the writer's pet. But Thrall? He could shield the Horde. He might make the Horde all about himself, giving us the same problem the Alliance faces now, but we wouldn't have to be villains.

In fact, people opposed to Thrall tend to be villains. The Alliance would have to be the aggressors with Thrall in charge. So the Horde gets its break from being monsters, and the Alliance gets its turn to have the villain bat shoved up its ass like it so desperately wants.

Pretty much this.

They took away our necrolytes and warlocks?

They let Orgrim "the backstabber" Doomhammer lead the Horde?

They added submarines and flying machines to my fantasy?

The horde is all of a sudden living in wooden huts? Where are the black rock and metal factories? Why are the trolls gray instead of green?

Why are these purple elves druids? What happened to the ones that made the runestone at Caer Darrow?

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Effectively every attempt to darken the Alliance from TFT onward has been awkward from being blatantly out-of-place with how it's otherwise depicted and driven more from game design issues than anything else (Garithos, the Dalaran purge), retconned (Lee Van Cleef), or swept under the rug (Camp Tauranjo, which Baine himself waved off). I don't know how you'd expect an attempt to make the Alliance the aggressor for once to not be underwhelming.

I can't say I've ever read an Alliance fan say they want the villain bat. Truth of the matter is, Alliance fans (including myself) don't want the villain bat. Me and and I'm sure a fair few others would rather see more internal conflict and compelling stories beyond just boring lawful good overdrive.

The Alliance isn't allowed to have internal conflict unless it's just showing how badwrong one Alliance character is for being mean to the Horde and/or arguing with King Varian/Anduin.

Well, Thrall certainly seems to agree with your assessment.

Relevant read: http://childrenofwrath.blogspot.com/...th-thrall.html

Highlight:

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Well that is an intellectually dishonest analysis. For one it ignores what that Thrall's character was ruined after vanilla so the WotLK comic doesn't count. Plus the guy who writes that is dishonest in also blaming Thrall for bringing Rehgar but Varian was cool and friendly with Rehghar which that person glosses over.

Not a fan of what Thrall has become but lets be honest here.

You can easily apply that to Sylvanas and necromancy.

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The difference is that Thrall has long been presented as a paragon of virture who's respected even by what should be his enemies (see the attendants of his wedding). Sylvanas from TFT onward has long been presented as conniving and scheming. Her using the same methods as her enemy isn't at odds with how she's shown compared to Thrall's actions.

A character can only be what is written though. If Thrall was written to be negligent then he is negligent. He is not a real life figure that's independent of what people think of him.

Personally I preferred WC3 Thrall who didn't sit around and got down to business.
I don't think Alliance fans want the villain bat, but they do want to kick Horde ass. The villain bat, shade of grey, and internal conflict is just a vehicle to achieve the said goal.

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Also he describes Thrall as a "Jesus Allegory Orc" rather than what he really is, a "Moses/Joshua Allegory Orc."

Yeah, the Green Jesus meme seems more like a product of his over saturation in Cataclysm.

No one complains about the over-saturation of Khadgar across two expansions.

The problem isn't the presence of the character, but it being written with shit quality.

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Which does not make that "Jesus Allegory Orc" descriptor any less wrong.

I do.

Taking Jaina's job. What a prick.

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