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Old 01-10-2015, 05:15 AM
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Post Lore Corner (HotS/HS)

A place to discuss the more immersive elements of these games, beyond the gameplay itself.

The concept of heroes being transported to the Nexus from various dimensions. Of the differences between dimensions, such as that one dimension where Malfurion and Illidan have reversed roles.

The question of whether, when we play Hearthstone, are we likewise playing as heroes in a struggle beyond time and space? Or are we playing as our WoW characters, participating in an addictive card game in the tavern, and shouting out memetic phrases as we play cards?
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A place to discuss the more immersive elements of these games, beyond the gameplay itself.

The concept of heroes being transported to the Nexus from various dimensions. Of the differences between dimensions, such as that one dimension where Malfurion and Illidan have reversed roles.
I became enthralled to the premise of Heroes thanks to:

- Several fan-fiction texts about the game.
- The lil' lore backgrounds for each of the heroes and their skins.

However, I think the best for the game is that the lore remains misterious and shrouded for the most part. While I'd love to know who are the masters of the Nexus and why they are deathmatching heroes from the multiverse repeatedly, I think the charm is not to know.

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The question of whether, when we play Hearthstone, are we likewise playing as heroes in a struggle beyond time and space? Or are we playing as our WoW characters, participating in an addictive card game in the tavern, and shouting out memetic phrases as we play cards?
In the case of Hearthstone, it is clear to me that we are playing as the PC of WoW. We even have the desk featured ingame.
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Dude, it's just Super Smash Brothers the MOBA: Blizzard version.
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Dude, it's just Super Smash Brothers the MOBA: Blizzard version.
Smash Bros had that whole thing with Tabuu



Anyway, I do like all the paladin robots in hearthstones latest update.

I think we should see more of those in WoW.
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Dude, it's just Super Smash Brothers the MOBA: Blizzard version.
You mean you didn't fantasize about the characters in super smash brothers going on adventures together?
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:39 AM
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In the case of Hearthstone, it is clear to me that we are playing as the PC of WoW. We even have the desk featured ingame.
And the Curse of Naxxramas adventure? I say it's a set of Scenario Packs, with an intricate rulebook and/or some mundane magic that determines how your scenario opponent will respond. Each Scenario Pack also comes with non-random cards (the reward cards).


EDIT: Similarly, the tutorial bosses are practice battles that come in your Jaina Starter Set.

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Old 01-11-2015, 10:35 AM
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And the Curse of Naxxramas adventure? I say it's a set of Scenario Packs, with an intricate rulebook and/or some mundane magic that determines how your scenario opponent will respond. Each Scenario Pack also comes with non-random cards (the reward cards).


EDIT: Similarly, the tutorial bosses are practice battles that come in your Jaina Starter Set.
I agree with this! My headcanon now!

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you guys are weird. We all know there will not be anything new lore wise with this game because it is Rule of Cool: The game with no creatures.
We know nothing new and relevant for the respective IP will result from this.

But the premise of Heroes is interesting (maybe because I liked the premises of Battle Royale, The Hunger Games, etc) as its own IP. Let's re-check:
- We have a the Nexus, a dimensional storm located in the center of the multiverse. There are several realms of existence that have become trapped there (Ravencourt, Mistharbor and Nightshade's queendom) even modified (such as Dragon Spire turning into Dragonshire) for some unkown ends.

- There's an entity or group of entities kidnapping champions across the multiverse.

- The champions are forced to battle each other to dead, be reborn, and the battle again for them to become apparently "better" and more "experienced".

- The objective behind the deathmaches is not clear. Why is the master of the Nexus doing this? Is for its own amusement? Is it creating an army of transdimensional champions? Maybe something else?
As you can see, there is storywise potential for the game. It won't be relevant for Warcraft or Diablo, but it can be interesting for Heroes itself as it allows it to be something more than a Rule of Cool game.
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Hearthstone has a lot of neat little concepts.
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- Several fan-fiction texts about the game.
Besides DA's fanfic, which ones?

I'd love some links because I think HotS fanfics can be great fun while not being tiresome, perfect entertainment
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Besides DA's fanfic, which ones?

I'd love some links because I think HotS fanfics can be great fun while not being tiresome, perfect entertainment
https://arakkoa.wordpress.com/2014/0...ter-the-nexus/

That's the first entry I believe. @Arakkoa/Xarthat played with both the notion of alternate universes and mixed it with Heroes. In his fan fiction, the masters of the Nexus are known as "The Arbiters".

It is really long and it has ended, but it is cool nonetheless.
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you guys are weird. We all know there will not be anything new lore wise with this game because it is Rule of Cool: The game with no creatures.
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you guys are weird. We all know there will not be anything new lore wise with this game because it is Rule of Cool: The game with no creatures.
Extrapolating things from bare bone sources and making ludicrously detailed deductions based on them is our bread and butter.

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https://arakkoa.wordpress.com/2014/0...ter-the-nexus/

That's the first entry I believe. @Arakkoa/Xarthat played with both the notion of alternate universes and mixed it with Heroes. In his fan fiction, the masters of the Nexus are known as "The Arbiters".

It is really long and it has ended, but it is cool nonetheless.
Thanks for the plug. It hasn't as much ended, as it's on hiatus. The "Lords of the Nexus" concept (that was supposed to continue this after Infinite Azeroths) hasn't really worked out for me, but it's not to say I won't touch on the whole Nexus storyline if I have the chance.
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Thanks for the plug. It hasn't as much ended, as it's on hiatus. The "Lords of the Nexus" concept (that was supposed to continue this after Infinite Azeroths) hasn't really worked out for me, but it's not to say I won't touch on the whole Nexus storyline if I have the chance.
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Old 01-14-2015, 10:37 AM
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I'm pretty sure that the Thrall in HotS was snatched during his Third War years or earlier, not later.

Particularly with his emphasis on being warchief, mentioned in both the trailer and the description text.
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I'm pretty sure that the Thrall in HotS was snatched during his Third War years or earlier, not later.

Particularly with his emphasis on being warchief, mentioned in both the trailer and the description text.
Or, because HotS isn't released yet it's meant to reflecting on a period in a few months when it IS released and by that time Thrall is back as Warchief of the Horde.

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Or, because HotS isn't released yet it's meant to reflecting on a period in a few months when it IS released and by that time Thrall is back as Warchief of the Horde.

Nah. Baron is right. The base skin is clearly from W3 era, just like Jaina's.

However, "Hellhammer Thrall" is really interesting:



- An Ashwolf clan?

- Durotan being betrayed by both Gul'dan and a Blackrock chieftain (possibly Orgrim himself)?

- A fel-corrupted Go'el?

An hypothesis: Orgrim, wanting to lead the Horde, pledges to Gul'dan's plan to betray Durotan when the childhood friends meet in Hillsbrad. The Frostwolf clan was later mostly destroyed.

As in the MU timeline, Thrall was eventually found by Blackmoore. However, the Alliance eventually lost the Second War and the orcish baby was rescued and raised as an orphan in the Horde-controlled Eastern Kingdoms.

In time, Thrall discovered his roots and created a new clan from the remnants of his father's: the Ashwolf. The young warlord later became the fel Warchief of the Horde after killing Orgrim and seizing his corrupted Doomhammer.
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The lore for the Pharaoh skin for Tassadar is interesting.

Hope we get more skins themed after the battlefields.
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The lore for the Pharaoh skin for Tassadar is interesting.

Hope we get more skins themed after the battlefields.
Indeed. That skin is linked with Zagara's and Brightwing's Luxorian version. It seems Zagara's Scorpid Swarm was going to rule Luxoria and the pharaoh used some kind of forbiden magic to move the realm to the Nexus, preventing the scorpids from winning.

I'm speculating that "Tomb of the Spider Queen" battleground is also located in Luxoria.

BTW, I was checking all the skins last night, and I started to see connections:
- Countess Kerrigan and Vampire Hunter Vala are natives of Raven Court, one of the realms stranded on the Nexus (is featured both in the tutorial, Cursed Hollow and Haunted Mines).

- In the timeline in which Illidan became Shan'do and Malfurion became Betrayer, Tyrande became Mal's Warden and leader of the Watchers. I wonder... who became High Priestess there? Maiev, maybe?
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The lore for the Pharaoh skin for Tassadar is interesting.

Hope we get more skins themed after the battlefields.
It'll be interesting to see the Diablo 3 map and the skins for that.
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Son of Stormwind, our bloodlines have long been in conflict. May this deathblow be clean, so that your father may receive your head in good condition.


Behold, elf, the arms that freed Zul'jin and helped him burn your forests and people! Today, the fires come for you.


Gul'dan? Doesn't anyone stay dead anymore? This time, I'll finish you myself!


Your armor looks familiar. How many battlefields did we share in the old wars? But today, you die like the pale dog you are.


Your look and scent are familiar. How many battlefields did we share in the old wars? But today, you die like the half-breed you are.


Your father once tried to kill me in battle. I understand your brother died that day, instead. Something to do with dragons? Let's see if history repeats itself.


I've slayed more of your assassins than I can count, Frostwolf coward. Dare you approach the true warchief yourself? Come then! Your head shall adorn my hall!


Stranger, my father is dead. You have brought only ruin and defeat to our people. You are not fit to rule the Iron Horde!


Are you lost, demon? You had your chance. Lord Nefarian is our patron now.


At last. THIS IS FOR YOU, MAIM!


What... are you? You look like an old helmet my dad used to wear.

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Rend joins Garrosh in the ranks of orcs that get strangely better depending on writer

He was never half so eloquent or intelligent elsewhere
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Rend joins Garrosh in the ranks of orcs that get strangely better depending on writer

He was never half so eloquent or intelligent elsewhere
You need less Rise of the Horde and moar Beyond the Dark Portal.

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"Rend," Gorefiend said as he stopped just beyond the sword's reach.

"Gorefiend," Rend Blackhand, co-chicftain of the Blackrock clan, replied. His ugly face split in a grin that made him look even uglier. He shifted his position, flinging a leg over the arm of the throne. "Well, well, well. What brings you here, dead man?"

"Yeah," came a higher-pitched voice. Gorefiends eyes shifted to where Rend's brother. Maim, crouched beside and just a little behind the throne, half-hidden in the shadows. "You got some nerve coming all the way in to see us."

"The Dark Portal has been restored," Gorefiend began, but Rend waved that away with a snort.

"I saw it in my dreams," the orc leader replied. "I knew it had to be one of you warlocks causing it." A frown crossed his broad face. "What about it?"

Gorefiend frowned. This conversation was not going as he'd hoped. "Ner’zhul leads the Horde now," he said. "I have been sent to bring you back into the fold, you and your Blackrock clan. We need the Dragonmaw clan as well, and the red dragons they command."

Rend glanced over at Maim, and the two brothers laughed together. "After two years where nothing happens, you come marching back up here, into my keep, a handful of fresh warriors trotting behind you, and you expect me to get all excited about kneeling before a withered old shaman? And by the way. I should also hand over not only my own warriors but my dragons as well?" He laughed again, though his eyes blazed with fury. "Not damn likely!"

"You must," Gorefiend insisted. "We need your strength, and your dragons, to carry out our plan!"

"I don't care what you need," Rend replied coldly. He rose, and Gorefiend realized that despite his childish attitude, Rend Blackhand was very dangerous. "That's your problem, not mine, I don't give a damn about whatever old Ner’zhul might be planning. Where was he when we fought the Alliance? I was here. Where was he when Doomhammer fell? I was here!"

"Me too," echoed Maim.

"Where was he when the portal was destroyed and we got stuck here?" Rend continued. "Where was he when we were hunted for two long years, and slowly rebuilt our forces with whatever orcs had survived and could make their way to us? I'll tell you where—he was safe and snug on Draenor, not lifting a finger to help!" Rend snatched up his sword and slammed it down on the throne's arm so hard the stone splintered. Maim jumped, then laughed with an echo of mania in his voice.

"But I was here! I pulled these orcs back together! I rebuilt the Horde, not over on Draenor but here on Azeroth, right beneath the Alliance's nose! I am warchief now, and no used-up old shaman is going to take that away from me!"

Gorefiend longed to smear the boy into paste, but refrained. "Please," he said through clenched teeth. "Please, I ask you to reconsider. Without your aid, Ner'zhul will—"

"—fail," Rend finished bluntly. Maim looked gleeful. "He's got no experience with real war. He's got no head for tactics, no understanding of combat, and no real leadership skills. The Alliance will crush his little pretend Horde, and then"—he grinned—"I will pick up the pieces. We will gather all the survivors to us. Maim and I, just as we have been doing all along, since the last war ended."

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EDIT: Okay, even reading through it, mine was far loftier and more pretentious. But shut up anyway.
Nah, he was always Blackhands son, smarter than folks gave him credit for, but that page above was his only real highpoint, rise of the horde, tides of darkness, vanilla wow, none of them showed him in the same light


Sigh, if he hadn't called Nefarian "sire"... ah well, no use pining now
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Guys, guys I've just figured something amazing out.

I know why WoD was made!

It was made to explain why Doomhammer and Gorehowl are not legendaries. They are epics and so there can be two of them in a deck. That is why they had to introduce another Draenor and so one more Doomhammer and Gorehowl so that Hearthstone can make sense!
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