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Old 04-13-2014, 09:14 AM
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My head canon, for now, is that he got lost as a young orc, was rescued by the Thunderwolves and raised by them, started to like them and decided to stay with them, instead of returning to his estranged family.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:16 AM
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How do you miss this at the Kosh'harg.

How long has he been chief?

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Old 04-13-2014, 09:23 AM
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How do you miss this at the Kosh'harg.

How long has he been chief?

If he has grown up sons before Rise fo the Horde main events, this mean he has been a Thunderlord for many years (at least 12).

If Fenris got lost/missing as a youngling (like when he was 6 years old), he could be unrecognizable by his relatives in Kosh'hargs.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:23 AM
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Facepaints, masks, beards, headdresses, hoods, etc.

Maybe the 3 of them saw each other the last time as young boys? Probably even orcs can develop a bit during puberty

And the two of them only realise it as they get into head to head combat and AFTER he opened their eyes with his 'question'. So probably even Ga'nar and Durotan needed a hint AND a good look to realise it.


Oooooor, something far-fetched and hypothetical, their brother just took the place of the original Fenris Wolfbrother, posing as a puppet of the Iron Horde. But I don't believe thats the case.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:24 AM
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If he has grown up sons before Rise fo the Horde main events, this mean he has been a Thunderlord for many years (at least 12).

If Fenris got lost/missing as a youngling (like when he was 6 years old), he could be unrecognizable by his relatives in Kosh'hargs.
So then why would he go "Don't you recognize your brother!?" And them call him "Fenris!?"
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:24 AM
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would it?
Much, yes.

Anyways, maybe you could just stop losing your shit whenever things other people like, but you don't, get spoiled.

Given that apparently, Vol'jin won't actually be involved in WoD for the first patch or so, I think having the Darkspear actually show up is the least they could do to make them more visible, post Siege of Orgrimmar.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:24 AM
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So then why would he go "Don't you recognize your brother!?" And them call him "Fenris!?"
He's taunting them. Why they respond that way needs no explanation. It's not like they have even more brothers.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:24 AM
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oh, fenris is durotans brother?
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He's taunting them.
So why the heck did they make him a long lost brother just to kill him off?

I struggle to see the narrative sense in this.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:27 AM
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So why the heck did they make him a long lost brother just to kill him off?

I struggle to see the narrative sense in this.
Yeah... I would've had them reconcile, but that already happened with Ga'nar.
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So why the heck did they make him a long lost brother just to kill him off?

I struggle to see the narrative sense in this.
Family drama and tragedy. They lost their brother time ago and now they have to lost is again, by their own hands.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:30 AM
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Family drama and tragedy. They lost their brother time ago and now they have to lost is again, by their own hands.
oh wow.. wow.. I mean thats such a unique story, ha ha, its not like we haven't seen this before..

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Old 04-13-2014, 09:36 AM
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Family drama and tragedy. They lost their brother time ago and now they have to lost is again, by their own hands.
They basically already have that with Orgrim and Grom, we're already fighting people who used to be their friends and our heroes
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:37 AM
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oh wow.. wow.. I mean thats such a unique story, ha ha, its not like we haven't seen this before..



or the Mograines, or Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker.

Quit bitching!
It fleshes out the story. It wouldn't be half as interesting if Warcraft was entirely random, unknown people fighting each other just for the sake of it.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:39 AM
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or the Mograines, or Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker.

Quit bitching!
It fleshes out the story. It wouldn't be half as interesting if Warcraft was entirely random, unknown people fighting each other just for the sake of it.
Yeah I just wish they'd gone with something else
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:43 AM
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Thrall's family tree:

Geyah ♀
Garad ♂
>>>>>>>>>>> Fenris ♂
>>>>>>>>>>> Durotan ♂
Draka ♀
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thrall ♂
Aggra ♀
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Durak ♂
>>>>>>>>>>> Ga'nar ♂

Rhakish ♂
>>>>>>>>>>> Kelkar ♂
>>>>>>>>>>> Zuura ♀
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Draka ♀
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:46 AM
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Was more directed at Tauren Paly, not you Mutterscrawl. He sees everything as bad.

We still just have some scenes and sentences, not the full picture, right now.
Sadly I didn't see the end of the fight and what they talked about afterwards, because it lagged pretty heavily.

But WoD seems to be pretty layered and the devs - atleast some of them - put their brains into it. Things are interconnected to the MU (books, WC1+2 and BC) and we have big lore figures, aswell as smaller NPCs reappearing, while being fleshed out with more information and story.
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Thrall's family tree:

Geyah ♀
Garad ♂
>>>>>>>>>>> Fenris ♂
>>>>>>>>>>> Durotan ♂
Draka ♀
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thrall ♂
Aggra ♀
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Durak ♂
>>>>>>>>>>> Ga'nar ♂

Rhakish ♂
>>>>>>>>>>> Kelkar ♂
>>>>>>>>>>> Zuura ♀
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Draka ♀
I think it'll be easier if you link a chart instead.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:50 AM
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oh wow.. wow.. I mean thats such a unique story, ha ha, its not like we haven't seen this before..

Ah, but Deathbringer Saurfang was a soulless mindslave husk to the Lich King. Killing him was just undesecrating his corpse.

However, Fenris is still fully Fenris. Uncorrupted. He is fully their Brother.

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Much, yes.

Anyways, maybe you could just stop losing your shit whenever things other people like, but you don't, get spoiled.

Given that apparently, Vol'jin won't actually be involved in WoD for the first patch or so, I think having the Darkspear actually show up is the least they could do to make them more visible, post Siege of Orgrimmar.
An interesting note. The streamer visited Orgrimmar, and the guards seem to have been replaced with Trolls. However, Garrosh was still there.

EDIT: http://www.twitch.tv/panhalen/b/519318458

If anyone wants to search through the last few hours of that for stuff and quest text, this is where it is. The last few hours of it are WoD content, and I don't feel like sifting through it myself.

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Old 04-13-2014, 09:53 AM
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Quit bitching!
It fleshes out the story. It wouldn't be half as interesting if Warcraft was entirely random, unknown people fighting each other just for the sake of it.
But thats exactly the theme of warcraft, or should I say Wow. a load of complete nobodies with no relation to the lore characters at all coming along and killing said lore characters, while the actual lore characters are caught up in something or stunned or trapped.

For me, the one decent boss fight with some actual character involvment in the fight that had meaning, as it came from the days of WC3, was having Maiev against Illidan, and actually staying there fighting him till the end of the fight.
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Old 04-13-2014, 10:02 AM
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Quit bitching!
It fleshes out the story. It wouldn't be half as interesting if Warcraft was entirely random, unknown people fighting each other just for the sake of it.
Completely agree. It's more interesting to have Fenris linked to the Frostwolf than he just being the nobody chieftain of a clan.
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Old 04-13-2014, 10:05 AM
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But thats exactly the theme of warcraft, or should I say Wow. a load of complete nobodies with no relation to the lore characters at all coming along and killing said lore characters, while the actual lore characters are caught up in something or stunned or trapped.
Because that would totally work for a (MMO)RPG, if not the player would kill the bosses/enemies? Always 'needing help' to finish off someone?
People didn't like Tirion's Kill-steal for a reason.


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For me, the one decent boss fight with some actual character involvment in the fight that had meaning, as it came from the days of WC3, was having Maiev against Illidan, and actually staying there fighting him till the end of the fight.
She throws daggers and casts shadow strike. Not that involved.
And, as Illidan maybe makes his return someday, as hinted by the devs, she didn't even make sure he's dead dead dead dead, for sure.


Breath in, breath out, don't care about old stuff, be happy that the new stuff is great and this time the related -literally related- NPCs don't just stand by and watch.
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Completely agree. It's more interesting to have Fenris linked to the Frostwolf than he just being the nobody chieftain of a clan.
Yeah, I like the twist too.

I would've preferred it if he joined the Horde, but the twist is cool.
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Old 04-13-2014, 10:11 AM
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Is Grulloc blind? His attacks seem to suggest that.
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