Bull-fucking-shit. You are trying to turn cultural differences into ontological ones. It's far too essentialist, and a falsity of story-telling. Fact of the matter is that all the playable races are quintessentially "human" and anthropomorphized in shape and mentality. Blizzard builds its playable races may have different shapes and given different cultures (all just different shades of historical human cultures, by the way), but they think in fundamentally human ways. Do you honestly have a position as laughable as suggesting that "lok'tar ogar!" is rooted in their bio-genetics? You say that "it's hard to imagine them being defeated and allowing themselves to be put into internment camps," but that's precisely what has happened. Let me repeat that for you: the issue that you have insurmountable difficulty imagining has, in fact, already happened before within living memory. In fact, we even have multiple instances in which we have seen in various lore sources of defeated orcs surrendering. They may not like it, but I doubt there would be too many humans who would either. Frankly, it's hard to imagine humanity being defeated and allowing themselves to be put into internment camps too. We can repeat this for most of the races who all have an emphasis on personal freedom.

Edit: If you replaced the orcs with a different culture and planet of humans in the story, the story would be practically the same apart from the superficial elements of appearance (e.g., skin color, morphological shape, etc.) and culture (e.g., language, etc.).

Why do you even waste your time responding?

So that others who may be tempted don't have to? Hell. I have no idea, though I like to imagine that's less about him and more about educating the lurkers.

You give me one example of an un-orcy orc and I'll roll with it. Even the most "human" orc, Thrall, is guilty of the same faults that make orcs such bastards in the first place. The fact that he more or less gets his way all the time without even having to try allows him to appear to act differently.

So again, give me an orc that doesn't act like an orc.

Again, you are conflating cultural attitudes with biological ones and then further treating them as ontological ones. It's like pretending that somehow humans are ontologically programmed towards medieval societies, monarchies, and chivalrous honor. It's a bullshit premise and one not considering seriously.

If that's true, give me an example.

Please, people. Would you take this to the Faction Thread?

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I can't give you an example because your question already presumes racial essentialism at the outset. To answer with an example of an "un-orcy orc" would presume the valid existence of an "orcy orc." Your request is inherently flawed.

I think this arguments even too stupid for that.

Release the Sarahmoo!

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Who will it be, that claims the THIRD Warlords of Draenor thread for himself and his cause and will build his garrison in it?

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"You can be a king or a street sweeper, but everybody dances with the Grim Reaper."

The Third thread should start off talking about the Blood Knights and how they're getting along with the Alliance/Draenei. Because to my knowledge no one has said a word about them. It's all been about the orcs.

I'd be very unhappy if they were introduced and forgotten as quickly as the Night Elves were in MoP.

Like a potato-in-the-tailpipe of Metzen's new motorcycles-on-Blizzard's-dime unhappy.

Liadrin will be working with (presumably AU) Exarch Maladaar in Talador. I think it's safe to say that the Blood Knights are not forgotten.

That sounds an awful like the Night Elves from MoP...

Just a single zone? Probably just one quest-line?

Did anyone see the last boss? His name is Ragewing the Untamed, so he is probably a black dragon or dragonspawn. But I wonder, whether the black dragons from the instance are allies of the Black Iron orcs, or not. Since these orcs are all alone in the Spire, dragonkin could slay them all, if they didn't decide to join the Iron Horde too.

untamed?? descendant of razorgore?

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Blackrock Spire

• Orebender Gor'ashan

• Ragewing the Untamed

Maybe he is his descendant, I thought about that too. Oh, and the screenshot of the first boss would help too.

From a poster in the EU Story Forums:

Looks like the MU Orcish population would really need replenishing from AU Draenor.

Wonder if this gets into the final game considering what happened to Ji's.

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In a world of death and war, the greatest crime is suggestive behaviour towards women. RAEP CULTURE STRIKES BACK!

when is everypeewp migrating to the new thread? theres good convos going on.

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I thought that was just for garrisons. Besides, this one ain't officially closed.

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no, the garrisoning is a reference to how film titles have odd verbs.

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Screenshot of the Day

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/media/sc...draenor?page=1

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I want your help.

Lore & Quest Design previous BlizzCon conventions

I need information about 05 and 07 editions.

I am not even sure it should be there it is just Westlee typing stuff Alliance nor Horde fans would agree with .

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Please let Roardan be tameable.

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